Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count
Yep Count, Sodom & Gomorrah. No. Old men say, benchmark won't be that fall, benchmark was already Tagish Lake. Had arrived then at a before totally unseen and strange price. It happened after Tagish, that more and more observed falls were priced in a way, which nobody believed to be possible. From Neuschwanstein to Soltmany. Don't forget that it's - still - a regional phenomenon. Hold a Mifflin against a Buzzard. Mainly afflicting US- and European falls. (O.k. we all had bad luck, that that hammers-hysteria became a fashion, additionally driving prices). Alas, still you get the North African falls at prices, you never got any observed stone fall throughout the 200 years lasting history of meteoritics (with perhaps the exceptions of Alfianello, Allende, Gao-Guenie in the years after their fall). And old men say, that the very most meteorites, rarest, rare and common types, - the desert finds - are still remarkably cheaper than equivalent meteorites were in the 1990s. (Not to mention the 19th an most of the 20th century). Kommercialization Kitty jumps every 10 years out of the bag. (Huh, some weeks ago I read the catalogue of Partsch, giving the origins of the specimens of the early Vienna collection. Quite all was either directly or indirectly (swaps,donations) purchased from field, finders, dealers). So does the popularization poodle. When did meteorites get a broader attention? Started already in the 1980s. And then to a huge extend in the 1990s with the new media. Nevertheless what happened The revolting development happened in the 1st decade of the 2000s. Large amounts of new meteorites. Remarkable numbers of new rare finds. Complete price crash. Now we rather observe (of course with a few excesses) the return to normality. Hence no end of collecting. Il diavolo non è brutto quanto lo si dipinge ;-) The finds will get sparser, the collection specimens will get smaller. Nevertheless, believe me, it prepossesses myself with zero grain of satisfaction, that the prediction I and others years ago were ridiculed, came so fast true. Well, maybe another upside... Perhaps now meteorites in general won't be taken so much anymore for common commodities, for home decoration or something like Swiss cheese, but more appreciated as the rarest matter on Earth and samples of celestial bodies, inaccessible to mankind. Ciao, Martin PS: As always I could go wrong too... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Count Deiro Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2012 18:36 An: Randy Korotev; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count Hi Listees, Well. Now one can see the effect of the popularization of meteorites, through their exposure in the mass media, on the general public. $4,000 a gram for an unclassified carbonaceous chondrite! I was asked yesterday to pay, what computed to be $3,000 a gram, for some Cali driveway crumbs. I wouldn't legitimize them by calling them "frags". And I have news for youone of our best known "johnny on the spot" hunter/collectors forked over $22,000 for a, less than 20 gram, broken piece! Yes, friends. You have just seen the end of an era in the collection and valuation of meteorites. This fall will go down, as Ruben said so presciently on national TV, as the most important fall in the history of the United States. Why? Because never again will we be allowed, almost unfettered access to public and private lands, nor will we be able to purchase, even fragments, for any sane amount of money. The proverbial cat is out of the bag. The "publik" will never let it be put back in again. But, there is an upside to this "revoltin development" (William Bendix - The Life of Riley- 1952). Just think of how much our collections just increased in value. :0) Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count
Hi Listees, Well. Now one can see the effect of the popularization of meteorites, through their exposure in the mass media, on the general public. $4,000 a gram for an unclassified carbonaceous chondrite! I was asked yesterday to pay, what computed to be $3,000 a gram, for some Cali driveway crumbs. I wouldn't legitimize them by calling them "frags". And I have news for youone of our best known "johnny on the spot" hunter/collectors forked over $22,000 for a, less than 20 gram, broken piece! Yes, friends. You have just seen the end of an era in the collection and valuation of meteorites. This fall will go down, as Ruben said so presciently on national TV, as the most important fall in the history of the United States. Why? Because never again will we be allowed, almost unfettered access to public and private lands, nor will we be able to purchase, even fragments, for any sane amount of money. The proverbial cat is out of the bag. The "publik" will never let it be put back in again. But, there is an upside to this "revoltin development" (William Bendix - The Life of Riley- 1952). Just think of how much our collections just increased in value. :0) Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Randy Korotev >Sent: May 1, 2012 8:11 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count > >For those keeping count... > >I was contacted yesterday by a woman who told this story. > > >Good morning, Randy. I live in Lotus, CA and have attached a picture >of a meteorite I found on my driveway on 4/29/12. It has been >confirmed by a geologist from UNLV, and weighed, per attached photo. > >I'm not sure what to do with this. The geologist offered me $2,000 >cash on the spot. > > > >Here's the photo: > >http://meteorites.wustl.edu/images/2012-04-25_CA_CM_chondrite.jpg > >4.26 g > >= > >I told her that $2000 for a 4-g stone was a good price. > >I think that she must have talked to a fake geologist because I don't >know any real geologists who carry $2000 in their pocket. She hasn't >been back in touch with me so I don't know what she's done with the stone. > >Randy Korotev > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count
Hi Randy! There were a few PhD's and geologists running around there while I was there. They were hunting just like everyone else. Your email was like that of people walking up to us asking. Most of them were meteor-wrongs or leaverites but on a few occasions, the real thing. The video I posted earlier was a perfect example of this. Jim - Original Message - From: "Randy Korotev" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count For those keeping count... I was contacted yesterday by a woman who told this story. Good morning, Randy. I live in Lotus, CA and have attached a picture of a meteorite I found on my driveway on 4/29/12. It has been confirmed by a geologist from UNLV, and weighed, per attached photo. I'm not sure what to do with this. The geologist offered me $2,000 cash on the spot. Here's the photo: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/images/2012-04-25_CA_CM_chondrite.jpg 4.26 g = I told her that $2000 for a 4-g stone was a good price. I think that she must have talked to a fake geologist because I don't know any real geologists who carry $2000 in their pocket. She hasn't been back in touch with me so I don't know what she's done with the stone. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count
I have found in collecting artifacts that if one part of the story doesn't make sense or the explanation is long-winded, stay away. This fall is too important to have people substituting Murchison (another very important fall) or charcoal briquets. I hope the playing field remains clean but I now remain very cautious after the many instances of a few bad apples surrounding other recent falls. That being said, I hope a large piece is found soon by someone with impeccable character! Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message - From: Randy Korotev To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count For those keeping count... I was contacted yesterday by a woman who told this story. Good morning, Randy. I live in Lotus, CA and have attached a picture of a meteorite I found on my driveway on 4/29/12. It has been confirmed by a geologist from UNLV, and weighed, per attached photo. I'm not sure what to do with this. The geologist offered me $2,000 cash on the spot. Here's the photo: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/images/2012-04-25_CA_CM_chondrite.jpg 4.26 g = I told her that $2000 for a 4-g stone was a good price. I think that she must have talked to a fake geologist because I don't know any real geologists who carry $2000 in their pocket. She hasn't been back in touch with me so I don't know what she's done with the stone. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutters Mill - mass and stone count
For those keeping count... I was contacted yesterday by a woman who told this story. Good morning, Randy. I live in Lotus, CA and have attached a picture of a meteorite I found on my driveway on 4/29/12. It has been confirmed by a geologist from UNLV, and weighed, per attached photo. I'm not sure what to do with this. The geologist offered me $2,000 cash on the spot. Here's the photo: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/images/2012-04-25_CA_CM_chondrite.jpg 4.26 g = I told her that $2000 for a 4-g stone was a good price. I think that she must have talked to a fake geologist because I don't know any real geologists who carry $2000 in their pocket. She hasn't been back in touch with me so I don't know what she's done with the stone. Randy Korotev __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
