[meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

2010-09-16 Thread steve arnold
Hi list.I got a unclassed 82 gram endcut that bleeds. I know we have gone down 
this road before,but what really causes this?
 Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
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Re: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

2010-09-16 Thread michael cottingham

At least you do not see the face of The Virgin Mary... that really is 
unexplainable.
Michael

 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:05:52 -0700
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 Subject: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

 Hi list.I got a unclassed 82 gram endcut that bleeds. I know we have gone down
 this road before,but what really causes this?
  Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
 http://Chicagometeorites.com/
 ebay:Illinoismeteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

2010-09-16 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Probably the cutter committed one or two cardinal sins :

1) used anything other than distilled water as a saw coolant

2) didn't bake the specimen immediately after cutting to purge remnant moisture.

Now the specimen is probably suffering from the after-effects of
chlorine contamination.

That's my guess.


On 9/16/10, michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com wrote:

 At least you do not see the face of The Virgin Mary... that really is
 unexplainable.
 Michael
 
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:05:52 -0700
 From: stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

 Hi list.I got a unclassed 82 gram endcut that bleeds. I know we have gone
 down
 this road before,but what really causes this?
  Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
 http://Chicagometeorites.com/
 ebay:Illinoismeteorites
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[meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

2010-09-16 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
This a fairly common phenomenona seen in Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox 
stoneys, it's called stigmeteorata.



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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys-- Lawrencite Disease

2010-09-16 Thread MEM
Sorry to hear you pet is ill, Steve.  This sounds like Lawrencite Disease. It 
is 

contagious and your pet should be quarantined and handled only with latex or 
cotton gloves  as it is a condition you can inadvertently transfer to healthly 
members in the cage.

This comes from the mineral lawrencite:  Iron Nickle Chloride.  (Fe, Ni) Cl2 is 
a loosely bonded molecule that is in constant exchange: chlorine gives up 
its iron ion to the hydroxal ion  then goes and gets another iron or nickle 
atom-- which it will also be lost to water from the air.  The chlorine ions are 
hygroscopic: that is they pull water out of the atmosphere. The H2O binds 
with the iron to form iron oxide aka rust and the H2 is liberated as gas.  The 
chlorine ions are a catalyst-- they are not consumed in the continuous reaction 
like other chemical reactions are. The also won't wash away easily.  Therefore 
minor chlorine contamination can consume an entire meteorite over time.

Interesting to note, the mineral lawrenceite, was originally identified in one 
of the iron meteorites from Alabama in the late 1877
http://webmineral.com/data/Lawrencite.shtml
From the mineral data page on lawrencite:
Comments: Capillary tube of lawrencite solution with opaque oxidized 
precipitates, derived from hydrosocpically absorbing water from the air by 
solid 

lawrencite, collected from an oozing meteorite.

I think camel sweat is certainly a potential source of chlorine ions not to 
mention random handling with bare hands.  This must be kept in mind 
when adopting NWAs.

The lawrencite appears in solution as an ooze.  It has high surface tension 
and the smaller  blobs are typically a golden iridescent ovoid.  When I first 
found them on my specimens I thought they were insect eggs.

Yes, the treatment is to completely go through the cycle of washing, soaking in 
sodium hydroxide, washing again and drying,  etc.  

Good Luck.
Elton

- Original Message 
 From: steve arnold stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys
 
 Hi list.I got a unclassed 82 gram endcut that bleeds. I know we have gone 
 down 





 this road before,but what really causes this?
  Steve R.Arnold,  Chicago!
 http://Chicagometeorites.com/
 ebay:Illinoismeteorites 
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Re: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

2010-09-16 Thread countdeiro
Now that's droll. 

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

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From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
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Subject: [meteorite-list] bleeding in stoneys

This a fairly common phenomenona seen in Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox 
stoneys, it's called stigmeteorata.


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Phil Whitmer

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