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Re: [meteorite-list] Contact info for Brian Barnett (Lonestar Meteorites)
Brian is thoroughly retired from the meteorite world.He sold his complete inventory over a year ago, and even moved out of Texas. Sorry Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 6:53 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Contact info for Brian Barnett (Lonestar Meteorites) Contact info for Brian Barnett (Lonestar Meteorites)Hi everyone,I am trying to contact Brian Barnett but his old email address is not working. If someone has his phone number and/or email address, please let me know off list.Thanks,Mendy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact info for Brian Barnett (Lonestar Meteorites)
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[meteorite-list] Contact
Hi to all ,It was a while since I sent any word .If someone please send me the email of Mr Matthias baerrmann. Thank you in advance Have a good day Cheikhalhoussein Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android__ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Contact needed - A. Nor Eddine (Saharock)
All good now, I have regained contact. Thanks On 8/5/19 10:39 pm, Jack N via Meteorite-list wrote: Hello list, Does anyone have a phone number or alternate contact details forAzelmat Nor Eddine - IMCA member 5743. I only have his email address (nourddine2...@hotmail.com) and he's stopped responding. Thank you. Jack __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact needed - A. Nor Eddine (Saharock)
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[meteorite-list] Contact for Dennis Miller
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[meteorite-list] Contact for Doppler radar / meteorite alert service
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[meteorite-list] Contact to Mike Jensen
Dear List Members, had someone in the last few days contact to Mike Jensen? I have already sent him 2 E-Mails but received no response. Maybe he is not at home? Thank you for help, Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact eBay vendor Canagem
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[meteorite-list] Contact email address for Tom Phillips
Hi all, Does anyone have an up to date email address for Tom Phillips, the email address i have contacted him on previously doesn't appear to be working. Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contact with Jason BRAND
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[meteorite-list] Contact info for aid mohamed
Hi all I am trying to get in touch with Aid Mohamed does anyone have his email? -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact info for Rico R. Mettler
Can somebody please help me to find a way to get in contact with *Rico R. Mettler, IMCA # 0152*. Off list please! Thanks a lot, and best regards from Down-Under, Norbert Kammel IMCA # 3420 www.rocksonfire.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact for Terry Boswell Needed - Again
Hello All, I'm sorry to have to ask this again, but I'm still in need of contact information for Terry Boswell. If anyone has his cell number, I'd be much obliged; his home line hasn't been picked up for quite a while, so I'm assuming he's out and about on business. Thanks, Jason __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contact to Bob Holmes
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[meteorite-list] Contact Information - Michel Franco?
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[meteorite-list] contact Michael Buckler
Hello list, Does anybody know the new mail of Michael Buckler, Germany ? I need an urgent contact with him. Thanks for help Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contact Michael Buckler
Hello list, Does anybody know the new mail of Michael Buckler, Germany ? I need an urgent contact with him. Thanks for help Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact info for Jim Smaller off topic
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[meteorite-list] Contact Eric Twelker
Hi, I'm trying to contact Eric Twelker of MeteoriteMarket since some days now, but all my emails to his usual address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are bouncing back. Eric, if you read this, would you be so kind to contact me? Thanks. If any of you have an alternative email address for Eric, feel free to send me a note off-list. Thanks a lot. All the best, Norbert Classen www.meteoris.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact Eric Twelker
Hello Norbert Sorry to be out of touch. I was on vacation and some Chinese guy--as usual-- sent some huge emails that plugged my email account. I am back now and will be happy to respond. Eric __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish
Hi Sterling, - Firstly, thanks for a very enjoyable post! I have noticed a trend over the years for the Value of N to become lower and lower, when it was first talked about we should have ET practically on Mars, but now we are down to a few maybee's in our galaxy if at all. (don't get me started on the pathetic pointless search for life on Mars! grrr) Monkeys are notoriously unpredictable creatures, so might as well insert a (+/- rnd * 1000) statement into the equation, in fact intelligent life is probably the most broad sweeping variable in the whole equation, what's interesting is it only takes a tiny tiny change in DNA for a human to be a 1ft hairy Lemur that hangs from a tree all day and have trouble peeling a banana, let alone develop language, build electronic circuits construct transmitters (and vice versa of course). As the comedian Harry Hill would say what are the chances of that happening ay? I too think the whole Seti movement is now clutching at straws, the way the whole of science is going at the moment concerns me greatly, more and more people appear to be starting off with what they want to find and desperately looking for some half facts to fit, a very bad way to do science, big mistakes happen that way, (as I said don't get me started on the Life/Mars thing!) I do think once exo-planet hunting has decent spectroscopy/optical imaging capability, we might start finding interesting things, right now we don't even have a proper photo or map of the surface of Mercury let alone looking for a forest 10,000 light years away!!! Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Contact!
This will surely change the Drake Equation! Cheers, Pete http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/pr0611.html Most Milky Way Stars Are Single Release No.: 06-11 For Release: Monday, January 30, 2006 Note to editors: An image to accompany this release is online at http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/pr0611image.html. Cambridge, MA - Common wisdom among astronomers holds that most star systems in the Milky Way are multiple, consisting of two or more stars in orbit around each other. Common wisdom is wrong. A new study by Charles Lada of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) demonstrates that most star systems are made up of single stars. Since planets probably are easier to form around single stars, planets also may be more common than previously suspected. Astronomers have long known that massive, bright stars, including stars like the sun, are most often found to be in multiple star systems. This fact led to the notion that most stars in the universe are multiples. However, more recent studies targeted at low-mass stars have found that these fainter objects rarely occur in multiple systems. Astronomers have known for some time that such low-mass stars, also known as red dwarfs or M stars, are considerably more abundant in space than high-mass stars. By combining these two facts, Lada came to the realization that most star systems in the Galaxy are composed of solitary red dwarfs. By assembling these pieces of the puzzle, the picture that emerged was the complete opposite of what most astronomers have believed, said Lada. Among very massive stars, known as O- and B-type stars, 80 percent of the systems are thought to be multiple, but these very bright stars are exceedingly rare. Slightly more than half of all the fainter, sun-like stars are multiples. However, only about 25 percent of red dwarf stars have companions. Combined with the fact that about 85 percent of all stars that exist in the Milky Way are red dwarfs, the inescapable conclusion is that upwards of two-thirds of all star systems in the Galaxy consist of single, red dwarf stars. The high frequency of lone stars suggests that most stars are single from the moment of their birth. If supported by further investigation, this finding may increase the overall applicability of theories that explain the formation of single, sun-like stars. Correspondingly, other star-formation theories that call for most or all stars to begin their lives in multiple-star systems may be less relevant than previously thought. It's certainly possible for binary star systems to 'dissolve' into two single stars through stellar encounters, said astronomer Frank Shu of National Tsing Hua University in Taiwan, who was not involved with this discovery. However, suggesting that mechanism as the dominant method of single-star formation is unlikely to explain Lada's results. Lada's finding implies that planets also may be more abundant than astronomers realized. Planet formation is difficult in binary star systems where gravitational forces disrupt protoplanetary disks. Although a few planets have been found in binaries, they must orbit far from a close binary pair, or hug one member of a wide binary system, in order to survive. Disks around single stars avoid gravitational disruption and therefore are more likely to form planets. Interestingly, astronomers recently announced the discovery of a rocky planet only five times more massive than Earth. This is the closest to an Earth-size world yet found, and it is in orbit around a single red dwarf star. This new planet may just be the tip of the iceberg, said Lada. Red dwarfs may be a fertile new hunting ground for finding planets, including ones similar in mass to the earth. There could be many planets around red dwarf stars, stated astronomer Dimitar Sasselov of CfA. It's all in the numbers, and single red dwarfs clearly exist in great numbers. This discovery is particularly exciting because the habitable zone for these stars - the region where a planet would be the right temperature for liquid water - is close to the star. Planets that are close to their stars are easier to find. The first truly Earth-like planet we discover might be a world orbiting a red dwarf, added Sasselov. This research has been submitted to The Astrophysical Journal Letters for publication and is available online at http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0601375 Headquartered in Cambridge, Mass., the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) is a joint collaboration between the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory and the Harvard College Observatory. CfA scientists, organized into six research divisions, study the origin, evolution and ultimate fate of the universe. For more information, contact: David A. Aguilar Director of Public Affairs Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics 617-495-7462 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christine Pulliam Public Affairs Specialist
RE: [meteorite-list] Contact!
Indeed, but if you alter the number of planet forming stars by a factor of two of three (which this research would suggest) you still only end up with a couple extra possible alien worlds and the chances of them being within comms range = really not a lot! Drat Best, Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Pete Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:45 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Contact! This will surely change the Drake Equation! Cheers, Pete http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/pr0611.html Most Milky Way Stars Are Single Release No.: 06-11 For Release: Monday, January 30, 2006 Note to editors: An image to accompany this release is online at http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/press/pr0611image.html. Cambridge, MA - Common wisdom among astronomers holds that most star systems in the Milky Way are multiple, consisting of two or more stars in orbit around each other. Common wisdom is wrong. A new study by Charles Lada of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) demonstrates that most star systems are made up of single stars. Since planets probably are easier to form around single stars, planets also may be more common than previously suspected. Astronomers have long known that massive, bright stars, including stars like the sun, are most often found to be in multiple star systems. This fact led to the notion that most stars in the universe are multiples. However, more recent studies targeted at low-mass stars have found that these fainter objects rarely occur in multiple systems. Astronomers have known for some time that such low-mass stars, also known as red dwarfs or M stars, are considerably more abundant in space than high-mass stars. By combining these two facts, Lada came to the realization that most star systems in the Galaxy are composed of solitary red dwarfs. By assembling these pieces of the puzzle, the picture that emerged was the complete opposite of what most astronomers have believed, said Lada. Among very massive stars, known as O- and B-type stars, 80 percent of the systems are thought to be multiple, but these very bright stars are exceedingly rare. Slightly more than half of all the fainter, sun-like stars are multiples. However, only about 25 percent of red dwarf stars have companions. Combined with the fact that about 85 percent of all stars that exist in the Milky Way are red dwarfs, the inescapable conclusion is that upwards of two-thirds of all star systems in the Galaxy consist of single, red dwarf stars. The high frequency of lone stars suggests that most stars are single from the moment of their birth. If supported by further investigation, this finding may increase the overall applicability of theories that explain the formation of single, sun-like stars. Correspondingly, other star-formation theories that call for most or all stars to begin their lives in multiple-star systems may be less relevant than previously thought. It's certainly possible for binary star systems to 'dissolve' into two single stars through stellar encounters, said astronomer Frank Shu of National Tsing Hua University in Taiwan, who was not involved with this discovery. However, suggesting that mechanism as the dominant method of single-star formation is unlikely to explain Lada's results. Lada's finding implies that planets also may be more abundant than astronomers realized. Planet formation is difficult in binary star systems where gravitational forces disrupt protoplanetary disks. Although a few planets have been found in binaries, they must orbit far from a close binary pair, or hug one member of a wide binary system, in order to survive. Disks around single stars avoid gravitational disruption and therefore are more likely to form planets. Interestingly, astronomers recently announced the discovery of a rocky planet only five times more massive than Earth. This is the closest to an Earth-size world yet found, and it is in orbit around a single red dwarf star. This new planet may just be the tip of the iceberg, said Lada. Red dwarfs may be a fertile new hunting ground for finding planets, including ones similar in mass to the earth. There could be many planets around red dwarf stars, stated astronomer Dimitar Sasselov of CfA. It's all in the numbers, and single red dwarfs clearly exist in great numbers. This discovery is particularly exciting because the habitable zone for these stars - the region where a planet would be the right temperature for liquid water - is close to the star. Planets that are close to their stars are easier to find. The first truly Earth-like planet we discover might be a world orbiting a red dwarf, added Sasselov. This research has been submitted to The Astrophysical Journal Letters for publication and is available online at http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0601375 Headquartered in Cambridge, Mass
RE: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish
Hi Mark, N = N* fp ne fl fi fc Fl (The Drake Equation) I've always enjoyed jiggering with the numbers in the Drake equation; unfortunately, most of the parameters are completely unknown and so whatever value you choose is a complete guess. Here's my w.a.g. at parameter values (vs. yours in parentheses): N* represents the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy N* = 500 billion (100 billion) (Btw, that's American billion, not British billion). The actual number of stars in the Milky Way is certainly at least 200 billion, and could be over a trillion. fp is the fraction of stars that have planets around them fp = 50% (60%) ne is the number of planets per star that are capable of sustaining life ne = 0.1 (0.33) fl is the fraction of planets in ne where life evolves fl = 20% (10%) fi is the fraction of fl where intelligent life evolves fi = 1% (5%) fc is the fraction of fi that communicate fc = 5% (10%) fL is fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live. L = 5000 years (L = 1000 years) You didn't indicate the average lifetime of the planet, but reverse engineering your answers suggests that you assumed 10 billion years (roughly the earth's expected lifetime). I guess planetary lifetime is intimately tied to stellar lifetime, which of course varies a great deal depending on star type. Since the majority of stars in the Milky Way are red dwarfs, I would heavily weight stellar (and thus planetary) lifetime toward the red dwarf lifetime -- around 100 billion years. So I'll say 50 billion years. So you and I still end up with the same fraction (5000/50 billion vs. 1000/10 billion). fL = 1E-7 (fL = 1E-7) N = 0.25 (N = 1) So we're within an order of magnitude of each other. The main factor affecting the outcome is the lifetime of a communicating civilization. Suppose that once a civilization becomes advanced enough to communicate, it doesn't die until its star does? Then fL could be a million times greater... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish
A LOT of stars. I'm not in a figuring mood; just get yourself zeroes, bucket of, one (1). D. Keep your fingers off that Big Red Button... Is every species as dumb as we are? Hard to believe. After fifty years, we (meaning the West) seem to have learned about playing with these really dangerous toys. Now, all we have to is convince Iran, and North Korea, and... E. Global warming...? Don't be silly. F. Of the four terrestrial planets we know of, the Earth has the most water. The argument that terrestrial planets should be drowning in water seems like special pleading cooked up for the occasion. G., H., et cetera. Oh, heck, the rest are just excuses, really. They're really all just excuses. MAYBE it's intelligent life that's really rare. Since it took almost five billion years for it to pop up on this planet, you could reasonably argue that it's the bottleneck in the Drake equation. Five billion years to evolve intelligence, you could also argue reasonably, that it's essentially a matter of chance that it evolves at all. IF intelligence is only an accident, it might well be that the average time to evolve intelligence is longer than the lifetime of a star! That would sure cut N down to size... You could calculate the likelihood of intelligent life this way: cellular life has existed on Earth for roughly 90% of its lifetime; multi-cellular life has existed on Earth for roughly 10% of its lifetime; intelligent (well, more or less) life has existed on Earth for roughly 1/1000th of 1% of its lifetime. Therefore, intelligent life exists for 1/100,000th of the life of a life-bearing planet. That reduces factor-sub-i from 0.01 to 0.1. If additionally, you reduce the lifetime of technical civilizations and their dangerous toys to a few centuries, that really chops old N down to size! (How many times do I have to tell you to stay away from The Big Red Button?) Rob suggests that it is possible that once a technical civilization becomes advanced enough, it is virtually immortal. Arthur Clarke suggested the same thing. Pleasant thought. We all like that immortality talk. We like it more and more the older we get... Futurist Ray Kurzweil just wrote a book (The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology) suggesting mankind is about to evolve into super-organic-inorganic immortality. Hey! You can sign me up for the silicon; I'm ready to chip out... So, the Universe (the Heavens) is filled with wise immortals? Ever notice how many scientific notions end up sounding a lot like religious ones? These Wise Immortals have Wings? Harps? Look like Buddha? Never Mind... I'm just naturally suspicious... So, the many intelligent lifeforms in our Galactic neighborhood, taking note of our commencement of the use of EM technology, have imposed a ban on radio spectrum signals within 100 lightyears of Earth, the restricted zone to expand at the rate of one lightyear per year until further notice. Nothing permitted but tachyon traffic. Do you have any idea of what that will do to our operating budget? It's totally unfair for us to have to bear the burden of those costs just because some... some... Monkeys. Monkeys? Yes, monkeys. I know... Who would have thought it? OK, just because some monkeys have gotten smart all of a sudden. I mean, not to mention having to mothball all that equipment... Why should we get stuck with it? There's an 80% tax credit on both capital and operating cost over-runs. In that case... No problem! On the other hand, if WE are it, the only ones, the sole representative of intelligence in the Galaxy, maybe, just maybe, it might prove to be an incentive to GROW UP, fer cryin' outloud!! Why don't you monkeys stop carrying all that BS around with you and ACT like intelligent life once in a while. I know, it's hard... Here's what I suggest: just PRETEND you're the only wise aliens in the Galaxy and do what you think the only intelligent Galactic life, in all its wisdom, would do. Maybe, after a while, it would get to be a habit... Sterling K. Webb -- PS: That last comment not addressed to any Poster nor Member of the List, naturally; just to Humanity In General... --- - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish Hi Mark, N = N* fp ne fl fi fc Fl (The Drake Equation) I've always enjoyed jiggering with the numbers in the Drake equation; unfortunately, most of the parameters are completely unknown and so whatever value you choose is a complete guess. Here's my w.a.g. at parameter values (vs. yours in parentheses): N* represents the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy N* = 500 billion (100 billion) (Btw, that's American billion, not British billion). The actual number of stars
Re: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish
wisdom with a smiling face Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Contact! - OT - ish Hi, All. Yes, during the Tucson Lull, we can babble of other things... I posted some months ago, the simplest and most obvious argument against SETI's vision of a universe filled with friendly chatty aliens (simple and obvious is hard to be wrong about). While it is tremendously difficult to discriminate a single, intensely narrow-band signal out of the Galactic noise, the existence of an EM-using civilization would be impossible to miss. The Earth is already so bright in the radio spectrum that it could be detected halfway across the Galaxy using 1950's technology (if we'd been broadcasting for 50,000 years, that is). For 10-15 years now, SETI science has been fighting a rear-guard action. Speculation in the field centers around coming up with some excuses to explain why we haven't detected a signal yet. Here's some of them: a) the signal has a very, very narrow-bandwidth (this is usually combined with a financial appeal for a 100-trillion-channel receiver), hence is almost impossible to detect. This seems to be the current favorite of SETI-ites. b) the aliens are all so advanced that they no longer use the crude medium of EM waves but are gossiping everywhere around us via tachyons, or phase-modulated neutrinos, or gravitational wave radio, or... (This is a cheap shot excuse.) c) the universe is such an incredibly dangerous place that using radio waves is like putting on colorful clothes and going to picnic in the no-mans-land between the barbed wire trenches. Species that do it, get snuffed in short order (Gregory Benford). d) intelligent life is dangerously suicidal, and no technological civilization lasts for more than a century or two before it wipes itself out. The challenge to intelligent life is to keep from blowing yourself up within a century or so of discovering, say, nuclear fission and fusion, so the Universe is littered with the blasted and destroyed planets which were once the home worlds of fledging intelligent species like us (Arthur C. Clarke and lots of others). e) a similar argument to the above, only in instead of the nuclear fears of the 1980's, it substitutes the ecological fears of 2000; intelligent life destroys by its industrial ecology its own planetary environment to such an extent that it collapses into a pre-industrial culture, with no radio, a Universe filled with medieval or primitive aliens (Ursula K. LeGuin was the first to offer this, before SETI). f) terrestrial planets should have (so the argument goes) so much more water than the Earth that they are all Waterworlds. Intelligent life evolves, yes, but underwater, so the smart aliens are all brainy dolphins and cephalopods, very philosophical, but with no hands, no technology, hence no radio (David Brin). The Earth, with only modest oceans and some dry land, is a vary rare exception in this model. g) as a young intelligent species, we are dangerous to ourselves and others. The Earth is a Wildlife Preserve. No communication nor contact is permitted. Do Not Feed The Animals. Heavy Fines are Possible... (Lots of folks like this one, too.) h) fiddling with the Drake equation to come up with N=1. Of course, you could always come up with N=0 as easily, which rules us out as well. Hmmm. As is always the case in religious disputes the beliefs and biases, yes, the hopes and dreams, of the thinker strongly color the outcome. When Carl Sagan fiddled with the Drake equation, he came up with N=10,000... Don't get me wrong. I spent most of my life believing in the eventuality of SETI success, but it gets harder and harder to hold to, requiring more faith and less logic to maintain with every passing decade (four, so far). I love ET. I've watched CONTACT, Oh Lord, how many times? The thought of a Universe in WE are the best that intelligent life can manage is profoundly depressing. The saucer lands; the glowing aliens say (telepathically, no doubt), Take us to Your Leader. And I mutter, Wouldn't you rather meet somebody else? I know lots of nice interesting humans who'd love to chat with you... That's not a political comment, BTW. It pretty much applies to most Leaders I can remember. And they're too late to have a fireside chat (literally) with Abraham Lincoln. The excuses? Well, I already answered A. B. Well, tachyons or not, they would still use EM waves for something, radar, beacons, something, for the simple reason that electrons are CHEAP. I can buy a gallon of electrons for the price of a pico-liter of tachyons. (The price went up again last week!). And a big civilization would use lots of cheap electrons, hence they would show up in the radio spectrum, just we do. C
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Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please let me know. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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STEVE, everyone who sells meteorites is listed on the meteorite central and meteorite exchange sites. You should contact EACH ONE, instead of asking us all these questions every day. You are making yourself appear very lazy, not wanting to do the work looking for what you want, instead just spamming the list. Please take peoples advice and do it. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] contact Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please let me know. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list, Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked: "...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I mean types that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones to get ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list." Please help me out here. 1. What do you define as "very off the wall?" 2. What types do you think "most people do not want to collect?" Falls, finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high TKW, low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers done on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or sand blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.? 3. Are you meaning that "very very hard ones to get a hold of" are the same as the "very off the wall" meteorites that "most people do not want to collect"? I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure. 4. Is it your impression that these "very off the wall" meteorites that are "very very hard to get ahold of" are precisely the ones that "we" "on the list" are not interested in because "we" are only interested in the "so-so rans?" 5. What is a "so-so ran" anyway? Is a "so-so ran" the new type name for the olivine diogenites? Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't say, when people ask. Thanks Steve Arnold (from Arkansas)
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Hi Steve, I will sell you something that is extremely rare, more rare than gold or diamonds. It is roughly 4.5 billion years old, the oldest thing you will ever touch, and only a few people on the planet have ever seen one much less actually own one. Personally, this thing has the ability to inspire children and adults to think more than only of themselves. Scientifically, this thing may hold the key to understanding how our solar system was formed and thus how other solar systems form and quite possibly how life got started here and perhaps on other worlds. It's called a meteorite and every one is worth keeping, preserving and studying. It's only what you do with it, that makes it off-the-wall or not. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] contact Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please let me know. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Maybe so-so ran means : And I ran.I ran so far away.I just ran.I ran all night and day.I couldn't get away. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] contact Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list,Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked:"...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I meantypes that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones toget ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans thatonly interest the list."Please help me out here. 1. What do you define as "very off the wall?"2. What types do you think "most people do not want to collect?" Falls, finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high TKW, low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers done on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or sand blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.?3. Are you meaning that "very very hard ones to get a hold of" are the same as the "very off the wall" meteorites that "most people do not want to collect"?I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure.4. Is it your impression that these "very off the wall" meteorites that are "very very hard to get ahold of" are precisely the ones that "we" "on the list" are not interested in because "we" are only interested in the "so-so rans?" 5. What is a "so-so ran" anyway? Is a "so-so ran" the new type name for the olivine diogenites?Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't say, when people ask.ThanksSteve Arnold (from Arkansas)
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Hi Steve from Arkansas who celebrates his birthday in Tuscon with New York Geoff not Cintron Notkin...who takes nice pictures of cat-like meteorites, It is simple, off the wall collecting just takes a little off the wall thinking. Some are better at it than others. I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget Bessey Specks, dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom of the ocean. Hey, there is a thought...the final meteorite hunter frontier. Thanx for the fun, John Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list, Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked: ...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I mean types that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones to get ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list. Please help me out here. 1. What do you define as very off the wall? 2. What types do you think most people do not want to collect? Falls, finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high TKW, low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers done on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or sand blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.? 3. Are you meaning that very very hard ones to get a hold of are the same as the very off the wall meteorites that most people do not want to collect? I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure. 4. Is it your impression that these very off the wall meteorites that are very very hard to get ahold of are precisely the ones that we on the list are not interested in because we are only interested in the so-so rans? 5. What is a so-so ran anyway? Is a so-so ran the new type name for the olivine diogenites? Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't say, when people ask. Thanks Steve Arnold (from Arkansas) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi John and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget Bessey Specks, dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom of the ocean. Also the horse killers like New Concord, Ohio. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey, What about the meteorite that hit that girls foot a while back? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] contact Hi John and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget Bessey Specks, dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom of the ocean. Also the horse killers like New Concord, Ohio. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
