Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Armando, I don't know whether it's to indiscreet, but allow me a question: What's your age? Each collector, each museum, each lab can acquire from the meteorite dealers partslices, fullslices, endcuts, whole stones and in most cases also the main masses of those stones, where also micromounts are sold. So where is your problem? You don't want to buy small pieces, you don't want to buy large pieces, therefore you obviously don't know, what you want else than to complain. That's a behaviour of an uneducated child. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Armando Afonso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Samstag, 31. März 2007 13:46 An: Michael Farmer; Martin Altmann; 'Thaddeus Besedin'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him to start calling people names again. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
My god Armando, We are not talking about Mars rock here, we are talking about Campo del Cielo, a meteorite with HUNDREDS, actually THOUSANDS of TONS of material. Now, I do not break up Campo to make the coins, I buy the shredded and tumbled scraps from people who do cut them up, they are the large crystals which actually fall apart when the meteorite is cut/smashed apart. They are pretty much useless since most weigh 1 gram or less. So I found a unique usage for them, and people can enjoy a tiny piece of meteorite with information on the coin, rather than in a plastic baggie. Give me a break Armando, this is getting old, grow up and if you do not like what I am doing, keep it to yourself, or buy up all the Campo on the market. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him to start calling people names again. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Actually you insulted everyone on this list, calling dealers pirates again. Of course you have a right to your opinion as does everyone else, but when you start calling names, then your opinion no longer matters. since you have used the term pirate to directly impugn myself, and the post was resulting from my objects, let me see, h, perhaps I should conclude that as usual, you are speaking about me? 90% of them time the only posts you make are directed at belittling me, you respond only to my posts or to someone else about me. You do not respond to other people's subject, you do not trash other people's meteorite objects, meteorite expeditions, or anything else, only things to do with Michael Farmer I am sick of it, as I have told you quite publicly many times. Yet you keep coming. Why? Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mike, I only agreed with a previously posted topic. I am not alone in this position, then. Further to that, I didn´t address or refer myself directly to anyone. But I should know by now that it is impossible to express anything in this list (a club of sellers, actually) without this result. That is true. I abominate the little sculptures and other artifacts made from meteorites, devaluated oiled and cleaned specimens. I hate the so-called micros of 1 mg, too. They have no value as specimens, honestly. That was my message.Only that. I know, that is your business, but you have no reason to jump on me again. Warm regards AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime My god Armando, We are not talking about Mars rock here, we are talking about Campo del Cielo, a meteorite with HUNDREDS, actually THOUSANDS of TONS of material. Now, I do not break up Campo to make the coins, I buy the shredded and tumbled scraps from people who do cut them up, they are the large crystals which actually fall apart when the meteorite is cut/smashed apart. They are pretty much useless since most weigh 1 gram or less. So I found a unique usage for them, and people can enjoy a tiny piece of meteorite with information on the coin, rather than in a plastic baggie. Give me a break Armando, this is getting old, grow up and if you do not like what I am doing, keep it to yourself, or buy up all the Campo on the market. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Mike. I am back OK, but in compensation, you are here all the time. I forget all the time how sensitive you are... Yes, it is ridiculous to make coins, frogs and Mickey mouses from meteorites. This materials deserve a bit more respect than that. Ridiculous too, is to reduce interesting meteorites to dust, only to be abble of selling them (in little bags of 1mg) to children. A piece of Mars, wow! I dont think that this is a service to science. To collect this things is acceptable, but the specimen value should be preserved. This are rocks, so the texture and structural features should be visible in the smallest specimens, or their pedagogic value is reduced to zero. The chemical composition should be preserved. Engine oil, acrylic resin substituting olivine do not comply with my definition of cosmic material. If the concern is the conservation of the meteorites, they should be de-hidrated and stored in inert gases, maybe in nice glass containers, why not? Please excuse me again. Warm regards. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him to start calling people names again. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Armando is back, I knew it would not take long for him to start calling people names again. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
