Re: [meteorite-list] Testing meteoric gemstones

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Distinguishing between terrestrial olivine and pallasite olivine
probably isn't quick and easy. Electron microprobe would show the
difference in the Fe/Mn which is diagnostic. I've never used one, but
a handheld XRF might be able to do this too. If you don't mind
vaporizing the stone with a laser -- the oxygen isotopes are
diagnostic :) :) :)

Carl
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Sciences (COMPRES)
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University of New Mexico
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:16 PM, tracy latimer via Meteorite-list
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> Once again, I have found someone on ebay (surprise factor zero, Captain!) 
> selling what I am convinced are fake pallasite cut gems.  Unlike the last 
> fake seller I confronted, this seller seems willing to entertain the idea he 
> may have a fake or two, and wants to look into having them tested.  Are there 
> any quick and nasty tests an amateur or garden variety jeweler can do that 
> will confirm whether the cut gemstone is a. an olivine  and b. 
> extraterrestrial?  Alternately, can anyone suggest reputable testing places 
> where he could have his stones evaluated (he's in Canada)?  It would be 
> annoying to spend a couple hundred dollars on testing, only to find you had a 
> nice bit of faceted glass or garnet. 
>
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
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[meteorite-list] Testing meteoric gemstones

[tracy latimer via Meteorite-list]

Once again, I have found someone on ebay (surprise factor zero, Captain!) 
selling what I am convinced are fake pallasite cut gems.  Unlike the last fake 
seller I confronted, this seller seems willing to entertain the idea he may 
have a fake or two, and wants to look into having them tested.  Are there any 
quick and nasty tests an amateur or garden variety jeweler can do that will 
confirm whether the cut gemstone is a. an olivine  and b. extraterrestrial?  
Alternately, can anyone suggest reputable testing places where he could have 
his stones evaluated (he's in Canada)?  It would be annoying to spend a couple 
hundred dollars on testing, only to find you had a nice bit of faceted glass or 
garnet. 

Best!
Tracy Latimer
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[meteorite-list] Testing to Diagnose Power Event in Mars Rover Curiosity

[Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4499

Testing to Diagnose Power Event in Mars Rover
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
March 3, 2015

Mars Science Laboratory Mission Status Report

NASA's Curiosity Mars rover is expected to remain stationary for several 
days of engineering analysis following an onboard fault-protection action 
on Feb. 27 that halted a process of transferring sample material between 
devices on the rover's robotic arm.

Telemetry received from the rover indicated that a transient short circuit 
occurred and the vehicle followed its programmed response, stopping the 
arm activity underway at the time of the irregularity in the electric 
current.

We are running tests on the vehicle in its present configuration before 
we move the arm or drive, said Curiosity Project Manager Jim Erickson, 
of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. This gives 
us the best opportunity to determine where the short is.

A transient short in some systems on the rover would have little effect 
on rover operations. In others, it could prompt the rover team to restrict 
use of a mechanism.

When the fault occurred, the rover was conducting an early step in the 
transfer of rock powder collected by the drill on the arm to laboratory 
instruments inside the rover. With the drill bit pointed up and the drill's 
percussion mechanism turned on, the rock powder was descending from collection 
grooves in the bit assembly into a chamber in the mechanism that sieves 
and portions the sample powder. The sample powder is from a rock target 
called Telegraph Peak. The same transfer process was completed smoothly 
with samples from five previous drilling targets in 2013 and 2014.

NASA's Mars Science Laboratory Project is using Curiosity to assess ancient 
habitable environments and major changes in Martian environmental conditions. 
JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, 
built the rover and manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate 
in Washington. For more information about Curiosity, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/msl

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/

You can follow the mission on Facebook and Twitter at:

http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity

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[meteorite-list] testing

[Chris Spratt]

Sent 2 other posts to list this am. - neither made it. So trying again.

Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
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[meteorite-list] Testing

[almitt2]

Just a test to see if I can get a message through.

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] testing

[Rob Wesel]

I second that, your work in technology and space are pure inspiration. 
Welcome.


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From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:15 PM
To: nav...@intelius.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] testing


Wow!  Great to have you on the List Naveen!

Best wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:06 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] testing


Test.

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[meteorite-list] testing

[Naveen Jain]

Test.

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Re: [meteorite-list] testing

[MexicoDoug]

Wow!  Great to have you on the List Naveen!

Best wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
From: Naveen Jain nav...@intelius.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 28, 2011 1:06 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] testing


Test.

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[meteorite-list] testing 1-2

[Craig Moody]

test  
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[meteorite-list] Testing - please ignore

[Ingo Herkstroeter]

Test 3

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[meteorite-list] Testing again, ...

[bernd . pauli]

.. because I can hardly believe I got through to the
List after several months. Sorry for double testing!

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...

[ensoramanda]

Hi Bernd,

Welcome backwe missed you!

Cheers,

Graham, UK

 bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: 
 .. because I can hardly believe I got through to the
 List after several months. Sorry for double testing!
 
 Bernd
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...

[Jerry Flaherty]

WOO HOOO!!!

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...


.. because I can hardly believe I got through to the
List after several months. Sorry for double testing!

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] testing also

[JASON]

Hello,
New guy trying to make this work. Thanks to Jerry for telling me to use plain 
text message. Maybe this will work now. Crossing my fingers!

Thanks,
Jason
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...

[Steve Witt]

Good to see (hear from) you Bernd!

Steve


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--- On Sun, 3/21/10, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote:

 From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Testing again, ...
 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 5:02 PM
 .. because I can hardly believe I got
 through to the
 List after several months. Sorry for double testing!
 
 Bernd
 
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[meteorite-list] Testing Documentation - NWA 5799 Documentation

[Greg Catterton]

This is what I am able to get from the person that does my testing - 
It is the Documentation for NWA 5799 - A very nice, but ordinary LL4
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p2.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p3.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWA5799p4.jpg

While I know this is not the norm, I ask why not? Why can I get this, but none 
of the people with all these well known contacts cant? How hard would it be to 
provide some testing information to the person submitting the material? Why is 
this not mandatory? 

What is the cost of a few sheets of paper and a couple minutes to print it out?
In my opinion, if it does not come with documentation like this, it is not as 
valuable as it could be. 
Sure it may not be spot on exact as to the sample sold, but its far better then 
any ID card.
I know I have brought this up before, but from some comments about pairing and 
testing, this again seems a good time to bring it up again...

To all dealers/Testers out there, why not offer more? Cost is nothing compared 
to added value the paperwork adds. Make copies and include it with the 
material... add the extra 30 cent it may cost to do if your profit margins are 
not good...

In my opinion, this is real documentation, something I have never got from 
anyone I have ever bought from. 

The bottom line is, If I can get this, for an LL Chondrite, Why cant you guys 
get it? Why is this not the normal thing to do? 
Is it not better?

Greg C.




--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being Unclassified
 To: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:14 PM
 So many sell material that is self
 paired its not funny.
 It comes down to WHO is selling it in my opinion as to how
 much fuss is raised.
 How many of the NWA martians are out there with solid
 documentation as to actual scientific pairing? about 20%
 maybe, if that much?
 In my opinion an NWA  martian is just as valuable as
 NWA pick your number. 
 I have never purchased a meteorite with actual testing
 information, so by the opinion of some, its not official as
 not documentation came with it.
 
 I think more dealers need to get the people testing to
 provide them with actual paperwork to go with the material.
 For putting out 20% they should provide more. Even if its
 only from type sample testing, more documentation is better
 then an ID card on BC paper. 
 
 Greg C.
 
 --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Impact on Value Being
 Unclassified
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 12:06 PM
  
  List:
  
  This brings up a question: If a meteorite in
 unclassified,
  how does it affect the value? I would think
 considerably, as
  most collectors desire documentation for their pieces,
 as
  any collector does.  However, others may not care if
 they
  can get (a martian or lunar) for less money; but with
 higher
  risk.  I would think that most dealers would want to
 get
  everything classified, as they could get more money. 
 I can
  certainly understand that the nomads want to keep
 their
  locations secret, but the dealer should still get the
 finds
  classified, and find out if certain pieces were found
  together.  I think over time, the unclassified stones
 will
  lose value, while the classified stones will increase
 in
  value.  I think it's a shame that so many stones get
  unclassified, it's like have old paintings or works of
 are
  unsigned.
  
  Just my Thoughts,
  
  Greg S.
      
  
        
    
 
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[meteorite-list] Testing 123

[Dennis Miller]

Just a quick test...
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[meteorite-list] testing

[Pete Shugar]

trying this to see if it works!

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[meteorite-list] testing - delete

[Greg Catterton]

I like meteorites, yes I do... they are yummy with BBQ.


  

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[meteorite-list] Testing

[Rob Wesel]

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[meteorite-list] Testing equipment

[Matson, Robert]

 Other than an experienced educated individual, exactly what
 equipment is required to classify a meteorite?

Assuming you have a carbon-coated thin section of your meteorite,
a petrologic microscope and an electron microprobe will be sufficient
for chondrites.  --Rob
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[meteorite-list] Testing a new email address

[Peanut ..]

Hello all,
I am testing a new email address, Could you guys send me a short email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks,
CJ Lebel
IMCA# 3432
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[meteorite-list] Testing - No New Messages in May Archive

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Just Testing, Please ignore.  

I am curious why ho new messages have 
appeared in the 2004-May Archives by Date at
http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2004-May/date.html

It seems like by now there should be some 
new messages.

Yours,

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[meteorite-list] testing?

[Tom aka James Knudson]

Hello List and happy new year's! I once brought a suspected meteorite to ASU
and they took it and tested it with something that gave a printout of all
the minerals contained in the stone. What was that test? Can I get that same
test done on an unclassified meteorite?
Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] testing?

[S. Culver]

Tom,  The test you refer to is called a Particle-induced X-ray Emission 
spectrometer
or ( PIXE ).  They will test an unclassified meteorite, but you don`t want 
to send the
whole thing to them.  They may keep it.
I want to wish you and the list a bountiful and Happy New Year!
Steve Culver

At 10:39 AM 12/31/03 -0700, Tom aka James Knudson wrote:
Hello List and happy new year's! I once brought a suspected meteorite to ASU
and they took it and tested it with something that gave a printout of all
the minerals contained in the stone. What was that test? Can I get that same
test done on an unclassified meteorite?
Thanks, Tom
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[meteorite-list] testing 1 2 3

[j . divelbiss]

testing 1 2 3

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[meteorite-list] Testing on the list - AOL sucks

[Randy Mils]

Did you ever notice that most list members that send tests to the list are using AOL ? Why don't you guys dump looser AOL and get a real ISP?
RandyJoin the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here---BeginMessage---

Hi Dean:
Could you answer a few questions for me?
I have been lead to believe by your list postingsover the past couple of years that you have been to Morocco only twice and that your main method of operation is to have large amounts shipped directly to you in Canada. You have claimed in the past that this keeps the costs down and I agree it should.
How is it that you nowclaim to deal only with the nomads for your meteorites when everyone knows that the majority of meteorites coming out of Morocco originate in Algeria? Are you saying that you go to Algeria?
Since you have only been to Morocco twice, how can you claim to know the activities of the other dealers who actually make the trip to Morocco frequently such as Fectay, Labenne, Carion, Farmer, etc. You are aware that the Moroccans will tell you what they think that you want to hear don't you. So if you are relying on what your contacts are telling you then you are probably being lied to.
I do not think it is fair for you to try to elevate yourself over the other dealers bringing meteorites out of Morocco by using what is obviously false claims. I think that you have done a great service to collectors by having meteorites shipped to you and offering them at discount prices. I just think you should not tarnish your reputation by claiming to know everything that is going on in Morocco when you have only been there twice.
Randy

From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] R4 Blowout Sale on Ebay
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:09:34

I didnt spend as much time as other dealers in the meteorite markets
searching over resellers meteorites when I was in morocco in January
- as
unlike other dealers I usually go out into the desert where the
nomads live
to buy my meteorites so that I get first look at what is being
offered.
Since I was there anyway though I did spend a couple days going
around to
all of the resellers and there is currently a large amount of the R
chondrites that you have recently been seeing offered for general
sale
available in morocco now but the nomads and moroccan resellers all
know what
it is and after seing it offered for $200 a gram on ebay they want
big bucks
for it.
I bought a few R4 stones and sold most of what I bought to my
regular
buyers. I have remaining a single 69 gram R4 that I have just cut up
and put
on ebay at the lowest price that any R chondrite has ever been
offered at by
any dealer. Becides the ebay auctions I have a 3.48 and a 4.78 gram
complete
slice and a 12.7 and a 16.5 gram endpieces. The endpieces might be
sold as I
am meeting a customer later today but whatever I have left out of
these four
specimens is $35 a gram to list members if I dont sell it today. Or
see my
ebay auctions. User id "amunre". I have just listed 16 auctions of
the
current R4 material that is currently circulating around morocco on
ebay.
All of the auctions have buy it now options so check asap for first
choice.
When I am in Morocco I usually get first look at the meteorites that
are
offered for sale so you might want to be first to do the same with
my ebay auctions in order to get best pickings.
Cheers
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing on the list - AOL sucks

[Meteoriteman]

   The reason I tolerate AOL and it's problems, are a GREAT many of my 
friends, FAMILY  and associates, have AOL...and the dollar amount saved by 
using the instant messenger feature is just super! You save BIG BUCKS on 
the phone bill and can communicate much more often and keep in-touch even 
when many of us are on the road.
   Of course, I still make my weekly phone calls as to hear the voices 
(which is better and more personal)...but that savings through the week does 
add-up FAST.
Untill everyone else switches away from AOL to another Instant Messenger 
service...I have to keep it.
Jake
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Meteorites and Fossils
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing on the list - AOL sucks

[Mark Miconi]

Randy,
Having a bad day are we? It is not fair to jump on 
AOL users. Especially when you yourself are using MSN Hotmail. I think they both 
suck...especially MSN and Mr. GatesUncle Bill Gates is a loser who bought or 
stole every idea he has ever had.

By the way you did not spell LOSER correctly. I can 
not understand why everyone does not use a spell checker, but I do not 
complain...I misspell words all the time.

I do not jump on your back or the backs of others 
because you still use a 28.8K or 56K dialup modem and I have a 10 megabyte 
broadband connection. If everyone had broadband we could all send tons of 
pictures and enormous files to each other. But we do not and we can 
not.

Tolerance of others and understanding are real 
virtues, and seemingly in much shorter supply in this world than meteorites. 
Having some will make you a far better person, showing some will make the world 
and this list a far better place.

Just my opinion.

Mark M.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Randy 
  Mils 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:15 
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  Subject: [meteorite-list] Testing on the 
  list - AOL sucks
  
  
  
  Did you ever notice that most list members that send tests to the list are 
  using AOL ? Why don't you guys dump looser AOL and get a real ISP?
  Randy
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Testing on the list - AOL sucks

[CMcdon0923]

AOL may not be (and arguably isn't) the best ISP out there, but at least I know that 
when I wake up each morning I'm not going to hear that my ISP just went belly-up.  
Want to take a poll of the list and see how many participants had to find anoher ISP 
because their's did within the last 12 months?  

I have my address out there on dozens of lists, and registerd on probably 100 other 
sites, and I can't even begin to think how I would go about notifying everyone of a 
change.

And no matter where I travel in the US and many other countries, I can get to my 
account with a local call.

Craig



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