Woody Guthrie on meteorite collecting on federal lands:
I saw above me that endless skyway
I saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for you and me.
I roamed and I rambled and I followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
While all around me a voice was
But outer Space,
At least this far,
For all the fuss
Of the populace
Stays more popular
Than populousRobert Frost---
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/06/AR2010110604127.html
Observatories on 5 continents to scan skies for extraterrestrial life
Elton:
That's too funny!! The Pied Piper with a herd of meteorats!
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Actually it is an excellent idea. There is a Belgian Scientist in Africa
that
has raised a variety of larger, affectionate, friendly rats that are trained
for
finding land mines
The flight path of a 757 was posted over the Catalina Island area at the
time of the contrails by Rob:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE808/history/20101108/1955Z/PHNL/KPHX
I find that to be very solid evidence for the contrail theory.
Apparently
While we're on the off-topic of minority bashing: I live in an area with a
high concentration of Amish and Old-Order Mennonites. I don't know how many
times I've heard people say: You know you have to pay higher taxes because
the Amish don't have to pay taxes because it's against their
This auction just ended, a great price for 72 grams of Weston, (I paid a lot
more than that for mine!), not so great of a price for botryoidal hematite.
But seriously, if you're so dumb you don't know that Weston is an H4 and you
bid on a piece of Weston sold as an iron, I don't really feel
Hi Eric,
It's right there in the first line of the auction: Item specifics 2003
Material: Iron, 2002 Meteorite Material: Iron
It took me less than 10 seconds to go to the Meteoritical Database and
determine that Weston was an H4. It took another 10 seconds to check and
compare real
Patrick: Awesome pictures!
I've been to Meteor Crater several times and was always dissapointed that
you couldn't hike down into it. Nothing like the Monturaqui Crater, where
you can do burnouts and cut doughnuts with your SUV right in the crater
itself. Not to mention being allowed to camp
This could be more important than the discovery of the lunar strewn-field!
Be sure to follow the links for more information on this fascinating find.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ice-meteorite-found-with-extraterrestrial-life-forms-109640729.html
Ice Meteorite Found with
I was under the impression that it's a myth that direct friction from O and
N molecules on the surface of a meteorite create the heat that causes
ablation. I thought that ram pressure in front of the meteorite was the
main factor in generating heat. The KE and PE would create a hot shock
Marco:
Ditto that! Last summer I was photographing some crusted Zag in the full
sun when it was 95 degrees out. I was distracted for four or five minutes,
when I came back the meteorites were so hot you could barely hold them in
your hand!
Phil Whitmer
The press conference is tomorrow. This could be as big as Roswell! I can't
wait:
http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/will-proof-of-extraterrestrial-life-be-revealed-at-a-michigan-ramada-inn/19735919
Will Proof of Extraterrestrial Life Be Revealed at a Ramada Inn?
Larry Knowles
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There is a mental disorder called meteorophobia. (Not really that crazy if
you think about it). There are related phobias called: astrophobia,
cometophobia, kosmikophobia, siderophobia, (fear of stars), and spacephobia.
There should be a name for the meteorite related delusional disorder that
Here's a new one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Biologic-Planetary-Meteorite-/120652410277?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1c1771ada5
To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is
research. (SW)
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Yeah, Tagish Lake was pretty awesome. I liked West, Texas and the Mifflin
falls. Park Forest was pretty cool too.
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Hello Listers,
Out of those 56 falls since
I'm pretty sure the raison d'etre behind the Mars Missions is to look for
life or signs of biological activity. I know they're looking for water, but
why? Could it be because 70 to 90% of a living organism is water? Water is
the prime ingredient and habitat for life. Something like 80% of all
Not only is there no evidence of life on the surface of Mars, there's also
no evidence in Martian meteorites:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars-meteorite-extraterrestrial-life-atmosphere-101201.html
Martian Meteorite Not Evidence of Extraterrestrials, Scientists Say
By
Commonly seen scrawled on walls in the 1970s: Clapton is God. But in a
recent interview with the original graffitist, he conceded he meant to write
Clapton is Good, but he doesn't spell very well.
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I think God's going to come down and pull civilization over for
What's up with the NASA junk science? First it's psuedo-fossils in
meteorites, now a phony not-new life form. What's next, cold fusion?
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For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. (SW)
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And, the blowback:
According to that vast repository of all human knowledge, the modern day
Library of Alexandria; Wikipedia, junk science is defined as:
Junk science is a term used in U.S. political and legal disputes that brands
an advocate's claims about scientific data, research, or analyses as
spurious. The
Yes, I would recommend banning this guy. He's a sport bidder, who bids on
stuff then never pays for it or responds when you email him. He's in
Montpelier, France.
Happy Festivus, Peak Shoppping, Saturnalia, Winter Solstice, Druid Yule Day
and Kwanzaa!
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And he just got outbid by a bidder with 93 feedbacks! I never complain about
situations like this. Bidding wars bring in badly needed income during the
Great Recession when you're lucky to sell anything at any price.
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It looks a lot more like a cupstone or a discoidal than a hammerstone.
Doesn't look anything like an anvil. An anvil would have a flat surface. A
hammerstone generally wouldn't have a depression in its middle. We have a
Campo in the museum that was used as an anvil, I have a picture of it
That pistol looks like it has a silencer on it!
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Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. (SW)
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Hi all,
It is surprising how often, even to this day, some list members
MikeG; excellent comedic writing, funniest stuff I've read in a long time.
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Instead of pumice, my wife prefers to use nakhlite to exfoliate her feet. So
I'm down at the museum having the scientists cut a 400 gram block out of the
back of the Lafayette
My first impression was: Meteorwrong! The overall shape is wrong and
those don't look like chrondules. If someone brought this into the museum,
I'd give it a thumb's down. I'd say there's about a one or two percent
chance it's extra-terrestrial.
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When I'm not in
I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf
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I couldn't find any specific statutes or codicils specifically prohibiting
the ownership of Nasa moon rocks. I don't believe there is one. According to
Wikipedia such a law doesn't exist. The Honduran case was about a customs
violation. They might be able to get you on theft chages since the
In spite of the kerfuffles and sometimes egregious abrogations of the
etiquette of auctioneering decorum, this was still by far and away, the most
awesome meteorite auction I have ever vicariously (virtually) attended.
Anyone with the means to drop a few thou could have built an awe-inspiring
Martin,
It's been my experience on eBay at least, that people won't buy uncleaned
meteorites. I had a group of Odessa irons, some cleaned, some not. Every
single one of the cleaned ones sold, not a single one of the rusty ones
sold. I did receive numerous emails about condition issues with the
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/021411-possible-meteorite-spotted-over-philadelphia
Possible Meteorite Spotted Over Philly
Fox 29 has received several reports of an object that resembled a meteor
that has spotted in the sky near the Philadelphia Navy Yard facility.
The incident
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The space gems need to be marketed to high profile fashionistas like Lady
GaGa, Kendra, Paris Hilton and the Kardashians. With Kim and Khloe flashing
those babies as they hobnob with the crowned heads of Europe, the demand
will grow like wildfire. Soon every rock star and Hollywood actor will
Mike:
I stumbled upon almost the exact same setup while traipsing through the
dense thicket looking for soft-shell turtles somewhere in the middle of
Florida back in the late 1970s. I thought it was some kind of camp for
runaway kids. It would be weird to live in those conditions. I kept
The problem that I see with publicly posting the auction results so anyone
can easily find them with a Bing search is that the cat will get out of the
bag. People will see the incredible bargains and will attend the auction in
droves or bid remotely to drive the prices way up. The auction
Make that $1500 for the termite!
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http://www.universetoday.com/83452/meteorites-illuminate-mystery-of-chromium-in-earths-core/--Meteorites
Illuminate Mystery of Chromium in Earth's Coreby Anne Minard on February 24,
2011It's generally assumed that the Earth's
http://www.universetoday.com/83452/meteorites-illuminate-mystery-of-chromium-in-earths-core/
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Einstein was a Deist who went to Catholic School.
One particular evening in 1929, the year he turned 50, captures Einstein's
middle-age deistic faith. He and his wife were at a dinner party in Berlin
when a guest expressed a belief in astrology. Einstein ridiculed the notion
as pure
To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was
born to into a non-religious Jewish family and as an extremely young child
attended Catholic School for a couple of years; throughout his life Einstein
was an observant Jew.
That's not true,
observant.
In contemporary Judaism, there is a big difference between religious and
observant. But enough of this. All best / Darryl
On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:52 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote:
To provide a bit of clarification to the foregoingAlbert Einstein was
born to into a non-religious
SNOPES? What proves that SNOPES is true?
-Richard Montgomery
Snopes is an unquestionable arbiter of the truth, much like Wikipedia, the
Amazing Randi and the Urban Dictionary.
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I heard that Einstein suffered from tonsurphobia, the
The first time that NASA announced they found fossils in a Martian
meteorite, I sort of half-believed them what with the Presidential news
conference and all. Then the same people make the same announcement to
little fanfare. Intrigued, I looked into the literature on magnetotactic
nano
Sir, you are correct, I would like to amend my diagnosis to advanced cases
of wishful thinking with complications of severe grandiosity.
And of course they're all trying to make a buck. What with all the funding
cuts coming and shooting those two rockets into the sea at a cost of 400-450
mil
I found the Murch.
Belly up to the Murchison buffet:
MURCHISON CM2
Fell on 9/28/1969 at 1045-1100 hrs.
Victoria, Australia
MU 2640 Fragments 17,116.66 g
ME 2641 Fragments and individuals from 6 down in size. 5,325.60 g
ME 2642 Mass + 15 thin sections + 1 thick section 1,206.00 g
ME 2644 Four
I guess it's too early to tell what the views of the newly installed
Egyptian military junta are regarding the hunting and export of meteorites.
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They're sending a message to meteorite hunters that we don't want your kind
in these parts. If they just wanted the meteorites they'd have taken them
and let M R go.
Just my two riyals,
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Glad you are both home and safe and sound.
What a story!
Lets see now, exploding nuclear power plants and flash fires of spent fuel,
no, I don't see anything to worry about there. Cesium-137 is actually good
for you and builds strong bodies 12 different ways. I just had a bowl of it
for breakfast. It was good, and it's good for you! Let's check back
Ryan, you've been called out. Are you now or have you ever been a member of
the Republican Party? ;-)
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This is a no-brainer. I would toss a well balanced throwing knife made of
Muonionalusta or Gibeon at my adversary.
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If you were to get into a meteorite throwing argument, which type of
meteorite would you throw at the other person and why? (taking
The landlords got outlawyered:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html
By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM
When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal
limbo.
The oblong
Mad as a March Hare, nuttier than squirrel feculence.
Happy Lunar Perigee Day!
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http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/Man_Wants_Montrose_Recognized_as_the_Meteorite_Capitol_of_the_World_118308919.html
Rob Wesel
Looks like Cardiff has had enough of the screwey panspermia balderdash
dished out by this guy.
Summum Luna,
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http://www.sinhalaya.com/news/eng/2news2lanka2.php?go=fullnewsnewsid=729
Home / Cyber Talks / Chandra Wickramasinghe dismissed from
I like the part about the three propulsion systems:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110322/ARTICLES/110329902/-1/news06?Title=Possible-meteorite-lights-up-sky-911-phone-linestc=ar
Possible meteorite lights up sky, 911 phone lines
Published: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.
Last
It's about time you guys kissed and made up! (OK, a firm handshake will
suffice!) The World's Most Famous Meteorite Hunter and the World's Greatest
Meteorite Hunter should let bygones be bygones and at least share a cordial
working relationship. By that I mean guest appearances on the show
Rob:
That's Treasure of the Sierra Madre Country done there in Durango State.
You'll need mules, tobacco (to share with the natives), coffee, bacon, metal
detectors, GPS device, a satellite phone, snake boots, a pair of those
specially reinforced brush jeans, machete and a sharpening stone and
Not only that, but now you have to pay the NYT to read their dumb articles.
I propose that Martin Altmann compose a scathing rebuttal to this melange of
blithering blather.
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Dear NYT,
I understand that times are hard and you can't afford to pay reporters what
you used to. Changing to a paid subscription on the Internet will cost you
lots of readers. I certainly will be reading the WaPo from now on. I can see
how you have to drum up a readership. You have bills to
Oh great, first a meteorite blows up 3 houses and all they get for it
is Aids?
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Meteorite Victims Will Receive Aids
BERITAJAKARTA.COM - 5/4/2010 5:08:46 PM
Explosion incident due to meteorite destroying three houses in
Melanie:
I think they're just recycling their old claims to try and get more taxpayer
funding for their project. I'm still waiting to hear their new evidence.
It's the same as their old evidence, which is weak. McKay and his crew
remind me of Michael Mann and his CRU with their AGW agenda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsgsBqUgI0
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A farmer found this in his field and brought it in today. A University of
Notre Dame geologist said it contained plagioclase, olivine and possibly
iron. He said it probably is not a meteorite and I concur with his opinion.
I told the farmer I would post the pics on the metlist for other
Why would you even think that's a meteorite? I think Darren called it.
It's a snap fastener.
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This guy lists all kinds of interesting junk that he finds in strewnfields.
He claims they're meteoriteswell, because they were found in a strewn
field! He's sold 80 meteorites on eBay and has never had to return a
single one based on lack of authenticity.
Hi Joe,
You misunderstood my post. I never said the links were from Larry, the
Franconia meteorwrong guy. They're from some other meteorwrong guy. But I
guess I can see how you infered that. I was trying to illustrate the point
that something found in a known strewn field doth not a
Here are some photos of Franconia irons:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/005.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/007-1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/008.jpg
Lots of odd morphologies in the smaller ones, similar to the more oddly
So any time you find a rock, just call the newspaper and say it's a
meteorite and they'll publish the story? Please note: every earthly factor
has been ruled out and it's probably from Jupiter or Mars.
http://www.sourcenewspapers.com/articles/2010/05/13/news/doc4bec031a6ab9b765018531.txt
Buildings on Mars??!!?? Shades of Dr. Edgar Mitchell! James, you're sort
of inviting abuse when you come on the metlist with such wacko ideas. I'm
suprised at the restraint shown by all the well mannered listoids! Also your
credibility would be vastly improved if you invested in a
Son, when your IQ approaches mine, then we will argue.
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Pops, When dealing with a text book case of full blown delusional syndrome,
I would think that IQ is irrelevant. You claim to have an IQ of 165, yet
you spell like a 6th grader and lack a knowledge of basic
Anybody remember the smiley faces found on the moon? I wonder what the
Lunarians are trying to tell us? (^_^)
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z126/tboswell/May2010c/smile.gif
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That is sad news. I loved that guy, he was so enthusiastic about astronomy!
I remember when he got cancer, his TV spots were temporarily canceled until
he recovered, I was worried then he was going to die. I'm sure he got lots
of kids interested in astronomical phenomena. They should name a
After a brief conversation with Dr. Carl Allen's wife Jackie, a
volcanologist, I seem to recall her saying that most of the glass on the
surface of the moon was basaltic in nature, from volcanic action billions of
years ago when the moon's center was still hot enough to produce magma. The
Please note: he mentions meteorites in the first paragraph.
http://www.michaelshermer.com/weird-things/excerpt/
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Interesting stuff:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1939JRASC..33..177A/177.000.html
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NWA Numero Uno, if I had the moolah, I would buy this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-A-Piece-History-NWA-001-L6-Main-Mass-190g-/190440164850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c571e4df2
Figure 8 shaped iron found in area of rare Ohio dinosaur tooth discovery:
Stamps
Coins
Currency
Rare cacti and succulents
Arrowheads
Rocks, fossils and crystals
Antiques
Bottles
Insulators
Audubon and other natural history prints
Japanese prints
Huichol yarn paintings
Art and illustrated natural history books
Comic books
Lots and lots of books
Reading
Writing
Painting
Or alternatively:
http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxtheres.html
There's a sucker born every minute
by Mark Israel
[This is a fast-access FAQ excerpt.]
Those of P. T. Barnum's acquaintances who mentioned the
subject were unanimous in insisting that he never said this. The
closest
This a fairly common phenomenona seen in Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox
stoneys, it's called stigmeteorata.
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Maybe they know that 50 years of complete and total silence from the SETI
search means there is no life in deep space..
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Interesting point Eric. My question is: how many years of complete and total
silence would it take to reach the conclusion there's just nobody out there?
1,000? 10,000? a million years? a billion? a googlezillion? You could listen
for eternity, hear nothing and say, well we just need a little
Where are they? For the sake of this argument let's say they're on one of
the Alpha Centauri planets, a mere 4.3 light years away. Or, for that
matter, they could be anywhere within 75 light years, the distance Earth's
transmissions have reached. With their advanced planet detection methods and
Hi Richard;
That's an excellent argument for cancelling the silly SETI project. The key
word in your argument is believe. You believe in the existence of exo-life
without any supporting evidence, I don't. So we can agree to disagree.
If life never existed on Mars, I can't see it existing
Richard,
With all the news reports of organic compounds on Mars and fossils in
Martian meteorites I think the possibility of extraterrestrial life is very
on topic.
Eric,
Your point is well taken. According to the laws of probablity, anything that
happened once could happen again, not matter
For those wondering where all the NWA irons are: they're at the Tuscon Show!
Or at least they were.
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H... meteorite related conceptual art. I don't much care for conceptual
art, despise it actually.
Now, Munster related art, that's more like it! Very well done too, I might
add. I just could never figure out how a Frankenstein monster and a
vampiress could have a wolf-boy son.
Well done Michael.
I had several email exchanges with Bob and he made you feel like you were
good friends after only a fleeting encounter. A very impressive fellow. I
hope when my time comes I can be 1/10 as brave as he was.
His thin section blow-ups are awesome!
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Hello Martin,
Yes, I like that. Quite a lot, actually. But that's performance art, not
conceptual art.
Thanks for the links, you're always very helpful and a great asset to the
List.
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Hi Phil,
but maybe you like that?
Artist Agnes Meyer-Brandis
I don't understand why people got so excited about a habitable earth-like
exoplanet, (not earth-like at all by any stretch of the imagination), that's
light years away, when right next door we have an actual earth-like planet,
or at least it used to be, that should be teeming with signs of
Hi Michael:
Great story! It's just extremely highly unlikely that a person interested
in finding meteorites will ever see one fall right in front of him,
especially a mini, and then recover it. What with the lack of a fireball,
sonic boom, electrophonic sound waves and all the other
I saw the Amazing Randi perform his stage act back in the '70s. He did
some incredible things. He took two class rings from guys sitting right next
to me and interlocked them. The rings were passed down the row to Randi and
back and I held them before and after they were interlocked. It was
I have some meteorites, spheres, slices and 869 products currently running
on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=280573270221ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IThttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310260042333ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITThanks,Phil
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I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of
superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The
dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human
nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time.
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Either that, or as Albert thought, the central tenet, the core belief in
randomness that lays the foundation of quantum mechanics is wrong. When Al
says that He doesn't throw dice, he's expressing a disbelief in the
randomness of the universe. He's echoing the teleological beliefs of
Aristotle
Chris,
Let me get this straight, the author of Special Relativity is unqualified to
offer an expert opinion on theoretical physics. I would be better off
conferring with Joe Blow from Kokomo, the guy that picks through the trash
in the alley. Joe claims to have invented string theory, but lost
Hi Eric,
A big Duh!! on my part. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Chris, I
concede your point, Albert was no expert on the human nervous system. And
you're right, everyone is a philospher. And everyone says dumb stuff, e.g.
look at all the silly things that Hawking says. When it comes to
Years ago, an employee of the local utility company told me his foreman
always kept a pair of dowsing rods in his tool truck. He said he didn't know
how or why they worked, and didn't care, they were just practical to use. At
the time I thought he was b'sing me.
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From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron
Years ago, an employee of the local utility company told me his
OK, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take Michael Murray up on his
original proposition that started this crazy thread. I'm going to make some
divining rods like Warren's dad made. Then I'll bury a 10 kilo Odessa
meteorite a foot underground. I will then see if it shorts out the
I have an iron meteorite in the museum that looks exactly like Richard
Nixon. I'm not kidding. We call it the Tricky Dick meteorite.
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I was just about to post pictures of my Nixon
Myself, I'll wait for direct visible-light observational evidence. I
thought it was a little strange that some guys saw a star wobble a little
bit and said it was because of a goldilocks planet with a 100% chance of
life. Then a SETI guy claims he got an alien signal from the area of the
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