Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

If you sent your question to the IMCA address you might be more likely to get 
an answer.You are using the wrong address!   Sigh!!    
Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com
 

On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 06:14:36 PM MST, FRANK CAMP via 
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Bidenomics 101

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Jarod,

You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.

Best regards,

Craig Whitford

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list 
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> What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Biden has something to do with the IMCA 


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On Wednesday, December 4, 2024, 6:14 PM, FRANK CAMP via Meteorite-list 
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Bidenomics 101

On Wed, Dec 4, 2024, 3:04 PM CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list 
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Jarod,

You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.

Best regards,

Craig Whitford

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
> PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No 
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

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Just so that we’re all on the same page. This is the Meteorite Central 
Meteorite Mail List which is different from the IMCA mail list. This email list 
has no association to the IMCA met list. Feel free to email me, privately or on 
the IMCA mail list, if you have any IMCA-related questions.

Thanks,
Roberto Vargas

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To: CRAIG WHITFORD 
Cc: Jarod ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?


Bidenomics 101

On Wed, Dec 4, 2024, 3:04 PM CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
 wrote:
Jarod,

You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.

Best regards,

Craig Whitford

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list 
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> What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
> PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No 
> response to any emails as well.
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Bidenomics 101

On Wed, Dec 4, 2024, 3:04 PM CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list <
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> Jarod,
>
> You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent
> emails.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig Whitford
>
> > On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but
> the PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No
> response to any emails as well.
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

It’s dead.Let that shit go 


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On Wednesday, December 4, 2024, 3:04 PM, CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Jarod,

You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.

Best regards,

Craig Whitford

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

[CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list]

Mike,I figured as much.Best regards,CraigOn Dec 4, 2024, at 5:05 PM, Michael Farmer  wrote:
It’s dead.Let that shit go Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, December 4, 2024, 3:04 PM, CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list  wrote:Jarod,You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.Best regards,Craig Whitford> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list  wrote:> > What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No response to any emails as well.> > Sent from my iPhone> __> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?

[CRAIG WHITFORD via Meteorite-list]

Jarod,

You’re not alone. I tried paying last year with no luck and even sent emails.

Best regards,

Craig Whitford

> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:52 PM, Jarod via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
> PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No 
> response to any emails as well.
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[meteorite-list] IMCA?

[Jarod via Meteorite-list]

What is going on with the IMCA? I attempted to pay this year’s dues but the 
PayPal address is no longer valid. I also see the website is down. No response 
to any emails as well.

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List]Ensisheim-2021

[Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list]

Sad news ☹️

Get Outlook for iOS

From: Anne Black via IMCA 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 9:13:31 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
i...@mail.imca.co 
Subject: [IMCA List]Ensisheim-2021

Here is the announcement I have just received:
Au regard de l’évolution incertaine de la situation sanitaire,le comité 
d’organisation de la bourse de météorites a pris la lourde décisionde renoncer 
à l’édition 2021. L’Association des Amis de la Météorite d’Ensisheim etla Ville 
auront plaisir à vous retrouver pour la prochaine édition, du 17 au 19 juin 
2022 !

 In view ofthe unpredictabledevelopment of thehealth situation in France, the 
organizingcommittee of theMeteorite Show has takenthe heavydecision to cancel 
the2021 edition.The Associationof Friendsof theEnsisheim Meteorite of andthe 
Cityof Ensisheim will be pleasedto meetyou forthe nextedition, from June17 
to19, 2022!


Bad news but not really surprising.
Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[tracy latimer via Meteorite-list]

NO words.  He will be missed 🙁

Tracy Latimer


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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 12:16 PM
To: Gary Fujihara 
Cc: Darryl Pitt ; MeteorList 
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

Lovely tribute Gary.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 5:47 PM Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
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Just a humble tribute to Mr Falling Rocks

https://youtu.be/_T-obxcklnk

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Darryl Pitt via IMCA 
> mailto:i...@mail.imca.co>> wrote:
>
>
> For those who didn’t know Dave, focus on Sean’s words and deeply believe him. 
> Dave’s positivity, generosity of spirit and capacity for friendship and love 
> are a marvel. For those who know Dave, you know precisely what I mean.
>
> Might I suggest we give an extra kiss to those we love as the fates can be 
> capricious — and rarely more than they are right now.  This heartbreaking 
> news has brought me to my knees and take pause.
>
> With heartfelt condolences to all those bereaving this sorrowful, 
> inconceivable turn.
>
>
>
>
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
>> mailto:i...@mail.imca.co>> wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this evening.
>> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to 
>> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to 
>> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how 
>> blessed I was to have known the man.
>> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
>> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been 
>> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as 
>> his legacy for many decades to come.
>> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only 
>> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
>> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the 
>> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as they 
>> are available.
>> Yours,
>> Sean Murray
>> 678-367-7095 (cell)
>> --
>> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
>> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume 
>> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a 
>> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are 
>> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she 
>> wrote.”
>> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
>> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling's Obituary

[benjamin de la vega via Meteorite-list]

That is a beautiful Obituary!
It is so hard to believe that Dave is gone and at such a young age.
May you forever rest in peace Dave.

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  On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 8:20 PM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
wrote:   Folks,

I've posted this on Facebook...  but for those of you that are not on that 
page, below is the obituary for Dave and the URL for the funeral home.

---

Dave B. Gheesling, age 53, of Roswell, GA, passed away on Wednesday, 
November 11, 2020.  He was born on June 8, 1967 in Decatur, Georgia, the son 
to Barry Gheesling and Sheilla Gheesling.

Dave graduated from Georgia Tech in 1989 with a Bachelor of Business 
Administration degree.  He began his career selling industrial equipment 
before becoming involved in the flooring industry.  He worked at both Mohawk 
Industries and Abbey before founding FloorExpo Inc., today known as FEI 
Group.

Dave was a man of extraordinary talent. He was an accomplished public 
speaker, educator, and an expert marksman.  Personal fitness was a priority, 
and he was an accomplished author of numerous publications and books.  Dave 
was a lover of all things related to space and collecting meteorites was his 
passion.  His collection, Falling Rocks, is one of the largest and most 
impressive collections in private hands. Dave was an inspirational leader, 
mentor to many, and loved by all.

Dave met his life partner, Kasia, at a coffee shop and they shared six plus 
years of happiness together.  Raising a blended family, they enjoyed sharing 
precious moments and adventures together with family and friends.  Family 
was most important to Dave and he considered his friends to be a part of his 
family.  He was an incredible father, son, brother, uncle, partner, and 
friend.  He was a father figure to many, and he will be deeply missed.  His 
life, influence, and legacy will forever remain in the lives of all who knew 
him, and we will all cherish his memories as we gaze to the heavens.

He is survived by his loving family: Kasia Sutton; children; Willow, Katy, 
Maddie, Natalia and Marcus; parents, Barry Gheesling and Sheilla Gheesling; 
brother Brad Gheesling and his wife Kara and his niece and nephew Suzanna 
and Shannon; uncles, Bob Green and his wife Pat, and Clayton Gheesling and 
his wife Karen, along with a host of friends from all over the globe.

Please visit roswellfuneralhome.com to leave condolences to the family.

---

Also, on a personal note -- I have been deeply touched by the outpouring of 
support, condolences, stories and pictures regarding Dave over the last 
three days.  I can’t tell you how much that has meant to his family.  Thank 
you for all of the emails, texts, calls, posts, pictures, and the awesome 
video & song from the Big Kahuna (Mahalo!).

At times, we may think we are only an eclectic community of collectors, but 
this is an example of how much more we really are -- this is an awesome 
group of family and friends.

Sean 


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling's Obituary

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Thanks Sean,

All I can say is that I cannot begin to put words together that describe
our sadness on his passing, the difference he made to our lives and the joy
of knowing Dave. He will live on forever in our memories.

Graham and Manda.

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 3:20 AM Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I've posted this on Facebook...  but for those of you that are not on that
> page, below is the obituary for Dave and the URL for the funeral home.
>
> ---
>
> Dave B. Gheesling, age 53, of Roswell, GA, passed away on Wednesday,
> November 11, 2020.  He was born on June 8, 1967 in Decatur, Georgia, the
> son
> to Barry Gheesling and Sheilla Gheesling.
>
> Dave graduated from Georgia Tech in 1989 with a Bachelor of Business
> Administration degree.  He began his career selling industrial equipment
> before becoming involved in the flooring industry.  He worked at both
> Mohawk
> Industries and Abbey before founding FloorExpo Inc., today known as FEI
> Group.
>
> Dave was a man of extraordinary talent. He was an accomplished public
> speaker, educator, and an expert marksman.  Personal fitness was a
> priority,
> and he was an accomplished author of numerous publications and books.
> Dave
> was a lover of all things related to space and collecting meteorites was
> his
> passion.  His collection, Falling Rocks, is one of the largest and most
> impressive collections in private hands. Dave was an inspirational leader,
> mentor to many, and loved by all.
>
> Dave met his life partner, Kasia, at a coffee shop and they shared six
> plus
> years of happiness together.  Raising a blended family, they enjoyed
> sharing
> precious moments and adventures together with family and friends.  Family
> was most important to Dave and he considered his friends to be a part of
> his
> family.  He was an incredible father, son, brother, uncle, partner, and
> friend.  He was a father figure to many, and he will be deeply missed.
> His
> life, influence, and legacy will forever remain in the lives of all who
> knew
> him, and we will all cherish his memories as we gaze to the heavens.
>
> He is survived by his loving family: Kasia Sutton; children; Willow, Katy,
> Maddie, Natalia and Marcus; parents, Barry Gheesling and Sheilla
> Gheesling;
> brother Brad Gheesling and his wife Kara and his niece and nephew Suzanna
> and Shannon; uncles, Bob Green and his wife Pat, and Clayton Gheesling and
> his wife Karen, along with a host of friends from all over the globe.
>
> Please visit roswellfuneralhome.com to leave condolences to the family.
>
> ---
>
> Also, on a personal note -- I have been deeply touched by the outpouring
> of
> support, condolences, stories and pictures regarding Dave over the last
> three days.  I can’t tell you how much that has meant to his family.
> Thank
> you for all of the emails, texts, calls, posts, pictures, and the awesome
> video & song from the Big Kahuna (Mahalo!).
>
> At times, we may think we are only an eclectic community of collectors,
> but
> this is an example of how much more we really are -- this is an awesome
> group of family and friends.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Dave Smith via Meteorite-list]

 Although our paths never crossed, I realize that Dave Gheesling's passing is a 
great loss to the meteorite collecting family around the world. My condolences 
go out to his family and close friends.Dave Smith
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 07:08:24 PM CST, Karen Ziegler via IMCA 
 wrote:  
 
 Beautiful, Gary. Thanks!


On 11/12/20, 10:48, "IMCA on behalf of Gary Fujihara via IMCA" 
 wrote:

      [EXTERNAL]

    Just a humble tribute to Mr Falling Rocks

    https://youtu.be/_T-obxcklnk

    Gary Fujihara
    Big Kahuna Meteorites
    PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
    (808) 640-9161
    http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

    > On Nov 12, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Darryl Pitt via IMCA  
wrote:
    >
    >
    > For those who didn’t know Dave, focus on Sean’s words and deeply believe 
him. Dave’s positivity, generosity of spirit and capacity for friendship and 
love are a marvel. For those who know Dave, you know precisely what I mean.
    >
    > Might I suggest we give an extra kiss to those we love as the fates can 
be capricious — and rarely more than they are right now.  This heartbreaking 
news has brought me to my knees and take pause.
    >
    > With heartfelt condolences to all those bereaving this sorrowful, 
inconceivable turn.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
 wrote:
    >>
    >> Folks,
    >> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this 
evening.
    >> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to 
process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to 
express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how 
blessed I was to have known the man.
    >> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been an 
important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as his 
legacy for many decades to come.
    >> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were 
only able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the time 
they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as they are 
available.
    >> Yours,
    >> Sean Murray
    >> 678-367-7095 (cell)
    >> --
    >> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume room 
temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a few 
decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are once again 
stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she wrote.”
    >> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
    >> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
    >>
    >



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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Lovely tribute Gary.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 5:47 PM Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Just a humble tribute to Mr Falling Rocks
>
> https://youtu.be/_T-obxcklnk
>
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites
> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
> (808) 640-9161
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
>
> > On Nov 12, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Darryl Pitt via IMCA 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > For those who didn’t know Dave, focus on Sean’s words and deeply believe
> him. Dave’s positivity, generosity of spirit and capacity for friendship
> and love are a marvel. For those who know Dave, you know precisely what I
> mean.
> >
> > Might I suggest we give an extra kiss to those we love as the fates can
> be capricious — and rarely more than they are right now.  This
> heartbreaking news has brought me to my knees and take pause.
> >
> > With heartfelt condolences to all those bereaving this sorrowful,
> inconceivable turn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA <
> i...@mail.imca.co> wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> >> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> >> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> >> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were
> only able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if
> you need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family
> the time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> >> Yours,
> >> Sean Murray
> >> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> >> --
> >> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner
> or later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually
> assume room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we
> experience a few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our
> atoms are once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's
> about all she wrote.”
> >> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> >> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list]

Very Sad news...
Gone from our sight, but never from our hearts.
My condolences

Paul Gessler







-Original Message- 
From: John Cabassi via Meteorite-list

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 10:10 PM
To: Sean T. Murray
Cc: met-list ; IMCA New Mail List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

My heart is broken. Dave was a man of integrity and for whom I have
great respect.
He has supported me in many ways. I've shared a beer and I've shared
some tears with him. He stands as an icon in the meteorite community
and a great family man.

Both Kat and I send our love and prayers to the Gheesling family,
especially Maddie and Kasia.

Dave was a truly genuine person and I am so grateful to have been his
friend and a part of his life. Rest in Peace my friend

John & Katina Cabassi


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:57 PM Sean T. Murray via IMCA
 wrote:


Folks,
It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this 
evening.
Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to 
process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words 
to express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and 
how blessed I was to have known the man.
Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been 
an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as 
his legacy for many decades to come.
I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only 
able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the 
time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as 
they are available.

Yours,
Sean Murray
678-367-7095 (cell)
--
“Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume 
room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a 
few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are 
once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all 
she wrote.”

-- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

Aloha Frank, I know Dave to have perpetrated countless random acts of kindness 
upon me and others. Most don’t know because of his humble discretion.

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am in shock.  Dave was so helpful, friendly, and generous to everyone who 
> knew him and was a great asset to the meteorite community in particular.  He 
> certainly was a great help to me when I was putting the book together on US 
> falls.  I also saw how generous he was as Svend certainly remembers.  Five 
> years ago, Dave was sending a package of material overseas to Svend that was 
> to include a soft cover book of "From Weston to Creston" that he had ordered 
> from me.  Unbeknownst to Svend, Dave upgraded the order to a signed & 
> numbered hard cover book.  I know that surprise was unexpected but certainly 
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> I know Dave will be greatly missed, but remembered by all of us for years to 
> come.  Our prayers are with his family and friends during this difficult time.
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 05:57:17 AM PST, Wayne Dodd via 
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is horrible news.  What a wonderful and generous man!  Multitalented, 
> smart and a great friend to so many.  His leadership both within and without 
> the meteorite community is
> widely known and will be sorely missed by all.  Very tragic news.
> 
> Sean, I'm ready to help Maddie and the rest of Dave's family in any way I 
> can.  Please don't hesitate to ask.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 04:48:15 AM EST, MSG - METEORITES via IMCA 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Just devastated to wake up this morning and hear this sad sad news. Dave
> was an inspiration to many, me included. He was so kind and generous and
> was a huge figurehead for the meteorite community. If he talked, we
> listened and with good reason. He often uttered the deepest and wisest of
> words in such a humble manner. He will be missed by us all.
> 
> My thoughts are with Maddie, Kasia and all his family.
> 
> Martin
> 
> Martin Goff
> www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
> International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone
> 
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, 07:06 Sean T. Murray via IMCA, 
> wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> > It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> > evening.
> > Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> > process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> > express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> > blessed I was to have known the man.
> > Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> > enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> > an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> > his legacy for many decades to come.
> > I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> > able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> > need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> > time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> > they are available.
> > Yours,
> > Sean Murray
> > 678-367-7095 (cell)
> > --
> > “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> > later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> > room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> > few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> > once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> > wrote.”
> > -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> > http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Re : Re: Dave Gheesling

[Frank Carroll via Meteorite-list]

So sad the hear.  Condolences to all his friends and family
Frank


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On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 8:50 AM, habibi abdelaziz via IMCA 
 wrote:

I’m just devastated by this sad news ! I was with my father all night in 
hospital And now dave passed away I’m really sad My condolences to all his 
friends and familyHe was a great friend I can’t express how I feel Rest in 
Peace my friend With tears in my eyes 
Aziz 


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Le jeudi, novembre 12, 2020, 1:27 PM, Wayne Dodd via IMCA  a 
écrit :

 This is horrible news.  What a wonderful and generous man!  Multitalented, 
smart and a great friend to so many.  His leadership both within and without 
the meteorite community iswidely known and will be sorely missed by all.  Very 
tragic news.
Sean, I'm ready to help Maddie and the rest of Dave's family in any way I can.  
Please don't hesitate to ask.
Wayne
    On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 04:48:15 AM EST, MSG - METEORITES via IMCA 
 wrote:  
 
 Sean,

Just devastated to wake up this morning and hear this sad sad news. Dave
was an inspiration to many, me included. He was so kind and generous and
was a huge figurehead for the meteorite community. If he talked, we
listened and with good reason. He often uttered the deepest and wisest of
words in such a humble manner. He will be missed by us all.

My thoughts are with Maddie, Kasia and all his family.

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

Sent from my mobile phone

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, 07:06 Sean T. Murray via IMCA, 
wrote:

> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
>  




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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list]

 I am in shock.  Dave was so helpful, friendly, and generous to everyone who 
knew him and was a great asset to the meteorite community in particular.  He 
certainly was a great help to me when I was putting the book together on US 
falls.  I also saw how generous he was as Svend certainly remembers.  Five 
years ago, Dave was sending a package of material overseas to Svend that was to 
include a soft cover book of "From Weston to Creston" that he had ordered from 
me.  Unbeknownst to Svend, Dave upgraded the order to a signed & numbered hard 
cover book.  I know that surprise was unexpected but certainly greatly 
appreciated.
I know Dave will be greatly missed, but remembered by all of us for years to 
come.  Our prayers are with his family and friends during this difficult time.
Frank
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 05:57:17 AM PST, Wayne Dodd via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:  
 
  This is horrible news.  What a wonderful and generous man!  Multitalented, 
smart and a great friend to so many.  His leadership both within and without 
the meteorite community iswidely known and will be sorely missed by all.  Very 
tragic news.
Sean, I'm ready to help Maddie and the rest of Dave's family in any way I can.  
Please don't hesitate to ask.
Wayne
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 04:48:15 AM EST, MSG - METEORITES via IMCA 
 wrote:  
 
 Sean,

Just devastated to wake up this morning and hear this sad sad news. Dave
was an inspiration to many, me included. He was so kind and generous and
was a huge figurehead for the meteorite community. If he talked, we
listened and with good reason. He often uttered the deepest and wisest of
words in such a humble manner. He will be missed by us all.

My thoughts are with Maddie, Kasia and all his family.

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

Sent from my mobile phone

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, 07:06 Sean T. Murray via IMCA, 
wrote:

> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

Just a humble tribute to Mr Falling Rocks

https://youtu.be/_T-obxcklnk

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html

> On Nov 12, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Darryl Pitt via IMCA  wrote:
> 
> 
> For those who didn’t know Dave, focus on Sean’s words and deeply believe him. 
> Dave’s positivity, generosity of spirit and capacity for friendship and love 
> are a marvel. For those who know Dave, you know precisely what I mean.  
> 
> Might I suggest we give an extra kiss to those we love as the fates can be 
> capricious — and rarely more than they are right now.  This heartbreaking 
> news has brought me to my knees and take pause. 
> 
> With heartfelt condolences to all those bereaving this sorrowful, 
> inconceivable turn.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 12:56 AM, Sean T. Murray via IMCA  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this 
>> evening.  
>> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to 
>> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to 
>> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how 
>> blessed I was to have known the man.  
>> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
>> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been 
>> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as 
>> his legacy for many decades to come.
>> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only 
>> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
>> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the 
>> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as they 
>> are available.
>> Yours,
>> Sean Murray
>> 678-367-7095 (cell)
>> --
>> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
>> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume 
>> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a 
>> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are 
>> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she 
>> wrote.”
>> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
>> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
>> 
> 

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Wayne Dodd via Meteorite-list]

 This is horrible news.  What a wonderful and generous man!  Multitalented, 
smart and a great friend to so many.  His leadership both within and without 
the meteorite community iswidely known and will be sorely missed by all.  Very 
tragic news.
Sean, I'm ready to help Maddie and the rest of Dave's family in any way I can.  
Please don't hesitate to ask.
Wayne
On Thursday, November 12, 2020, 04:48:15 AM EST, MSG - METEORITES via IMCA 
 wrote:  
 
 Sean,

Just devastated to wake up this morning and hear this sad sad news. Dave
was an inspiration to many, me included. He was so kind and generous and
was a huge figurehead for the meteorite community. If he talked, we
listened and with good reason. He often uttered the deepest and wisest of
words in such a humble manner. He will be missed by us all.

My thoughts are with Maddie, Kasia and all his family.

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

Sent from my mobile phone

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, 07:06 Sean T. Murray via IMCA, 
wrote:

> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list]

Can't believe that. I bear Dave in my mind as full of life, a man of
impressive strength, openess, friendliness.

We met a few times in Ensisheim, several years ago. Remember him
together with his daughter Maddie, playing around him like a joyous
little child-planet around the father-sun.

I have here an oriented stone-meteorite named "crown of flames". It was
first with Svend Buhl, then with Dave, finally it came back to Germany
and made it to my cabinet. It still was, but even stronger will be an
inspiration to contemplate the ways we go.

Farewell. All my very best wishes to the family.

Matthias


Am 12.11.2020 um 10:18 schrieb Svend Buhl via Meteorite-list:

This is devastating.
A giant of a man, kind like no other, full of inspiration, advice and
positive spirit, great father, and a friend whom you could rely on,
for anything, always.

I can't put in words the emptyness I feel on knowing that Dave is no
longer with us.
Speaking for my entire family, you will never be forgotten brother.

All our love and thoughts are with the Gheesling and Sutton families.

Svend & Claire






John Cabassi via Meteorite-list mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> hat am 12.11.2020 07:10
geschrieben:


My heart is broken. Dave was a man of integrity and for whom I have
great respect.
He has supported me in many ways. I've shared a beer and I've shared
some tears with him. He stands as an icon in the meteorite community
and a great family man.

Both Kat and I send our love and prayers to the Gheesling family,
especially Maddie and Kasia.

Dave was a truly genuine person and I am so grateful to have been his
friend and a part of his life. Rest in Peace my friend

John & Katina Cabassi


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:57 PM Sean T. Murray via IMCA
mailto:i...@mail.imca.co>> wrote:
>

Folks,
It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
evening.
Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying
to process the sudden loss. He was my best friend. I don’t have the
words to express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my
life, and how blessed I was to have known the man.
Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and
his enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all. Dave
has been an important part of our community, and his contributions
will live on as his legacy for many decades to come.
I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we
were only able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.
Please, if you need anything, contact me directly so that we can
give Dave’s family the time they need to prepare for the service. I
will post more details as they are available.
Yours,
Sean Murray
678-367-7095 (cell)
--
“Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable.
Sooner or later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will
eventually assume room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we
are born, we experience a few decades on the big ball (if we're
lucky), then we die. Our atoms are once again stirred back into the
terrestrial soup, and that's about all she wrote.”
-- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[MSG - METEORITES via Meteorite-list]

Sean,

Just devastated to wake up this morning and hear this sad sad news. Dave
was an inspiration to many, me included. He was so kind and generous and
was a huge figurehead for the meteorite community. If he talked, we
listened and with good reason. He often uttered the deepest and wisest of
words in such a humble manner. He will be missed by us all.

My thoughts are with Maddie, Kasia and all his family.

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

Sent from my mobile phone

On Thu, 12 Nov 2020, 07:06 Sean T. Murray via IMCA, 
wrote:

> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Hi Sean,

I just can't express what a shock this is. I cannot imagine what has
happened. Dave was such a wonderful, welcoming, warm hearted friend.
Thoughts are with family and you all out there.

Graham and Manda

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM Sean T. Murray via IMCA 
wrote:

> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this
> evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to
> process the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to
> express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how
> blessed I was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been
> an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as
> his legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the
> time they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as
> they are available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are
> once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she
> wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[Svend Buhl via Meteorite-list]

 
 
  
   This is devastating. 
  
  
   A giant of a man, kind like no other, full of inspiration, advice and positive spirit, great father, and a friend whom you could rely on, for anything, always.
   
  
  
   
  
  
   I can't put in words the emptyness I feel on knowing that Dave is no longer with us.
   
  
  
   Speaking for my entire family, you will never be forgotten brother.
   
  
  
   
  
  
   All our love and thoughts are with the Gheesling and Sutton families.
   
  
  
   
  
  
   Svend & Claire
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
John Cabassi via Meteorite-list  hat am 12.11.2020 07:10 geschrieben:
   
   

   
   

   
   
My heart is broken. Dave was a man of integrity and for whom I have
   
   
great respect.
   
   
He has supported me in many ways. I've shared a beer and I've shared
   
   
some tears with him. He stands as an icon in the meteorite community
   
   
and a great family man.
   
   

   
   
Both Kat and I send our love and prayers to the Gheesling family,
   
   
especially Maddie and Kasia.
   
   

   
   
Dave was a truly genuine person and I am so grateful to have been his
   
   
friend and a part of his life. Rest in Peace my friend
   
   

   
   
John & Katina Cabassi
   
   

   
   

   
   
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:57 PM Sean T. Murray via IMCA
   
   
 wrote:
   
   
>
   
   

 Folks,


 It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this evening.


 Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to process the sudden loss. He was my best friend. I don’t have the words to express how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how blessed I was to have known the man.


 Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all. Dave has been an important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as his legacy for many decades to come.


 I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour. Please, if you need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the time they need to prepare for the service. I will post more details as they are available.


 Yours,


 Sean Murray


 678-367-7095 (cell)


 --


 “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are once again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she wrote.”


 -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009


 http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
 

   
   
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dave Gheesling

[John Cabassi via Meteorite-list]

My heart is broken. Dave was a man of integrity and for whom I have
great respect.
He has supported me in many ways. I've shared a beer and I've shared
some tears with him. He stands as an icon in the meteorite community
and a great family man.

Both Kat and I send our love and prayers to the Gheesling family,
especially Maddie and Kasia.

Dave was a truly genuine person and I am so grateful to have been his
friend and a part of his life. Rest in Peace my friend

John & Katina Cabassi


On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 9:57 PM Sean T. Murray via IMCA
 wrote:
>
> Folks,
> It’s with a heavy heart that I write to the meteorite community this evening.
> Dave Gheesling passed away yesterday (11/11), and we’re all trying to process 
> the sudden loss.  He was my best friend.  I don’t have the words to express 
> how much he meant to me, how much he influenced my life, and how blessed I 
> was to have known the man.
> Dave’s love of family & friends, his positivity, his generosity and his 
> enthusiasm for life are the example he has left for us all.  Dave has been an 
> important part of our community, and his contributions will live on as his 
> legacy for many decades to come.
> I apologize for the abruptness of an email communication, but we were only 
> able to contact a few people this evening, given the hour.  Please, if you 
> need anything, contact me directly so that we can give Dave’s family the time 
> they need to prepare for the service.  I will post more details as they are 
> available.
> Yours,
> Sean Murray
> 678-367-7095 (cell)
> --
> “Our respective fates here on planet Earth are all inevitable. Sooner or 
> later - and whether we like it or not - each of us will eventually assume 
> room temperature. Seemingly against all odds, we are born, we experience a 
> few decades on the big ball (if we're lucky), then we die. Our atoms are once 
> again stirred back into the terrestrial soup, and that's about all she wrote.”
> -- Dave Gheesling, August 2009
> http://www.fallingrocks.com/FRarticle-082009.htm
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] R.I.P. David Carothers- Meteorite Collector, Author of Meteorites 101 (IMCA)

[benjamin de la vega via Meteorite-list]

I am very sorry for your loss Dirk. I wish you and the Carothers family my 
sincere condolences.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 4:21 PM, drtanuki via IMCA wrote:  
 Dear List,  I just received word that a dear friend and longtime meteorite 
collector, Dave Carothers has passed away.    Dave you will be sorely missed; 
your hours of conversations with me about meteorites, computer security, and 
our Nation's National Security were always an inspiration to me. Thank you for 
your Service to your and our nation.  Many of your former students from George 
Washington University were inspired by you to continue to be diligent and true 
Patriots for our nation.  May God give comfort to his wife, family and 
friends.With My Highest Regards and Love,Dirk Ross...Tokyo  
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

So sorry to hear of his passing...my deepest condolences to his  
family and many friends...May God's Blanket of Comfort give you all peace. 
--
Love & Life

 Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list  wrote: 
> This is very sad news! Fred was a super nice person who always had a 
wonderful attitude and always friendly. He will be missed greatly. My 
sincere condolences to his family.

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

gmh...@centurylink.net



-Original Message- 
From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 3:49 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Oh no!

Fred was a wonderful person with a great attitude and a ready smile. I had 
the pleasure to share some fun times with him drinking margaritas in ET's 
room in Tucson and going out to dinner.

My condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed. ☹

Mend Ouzillou

-Original Message-
From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
To: IMCA New Mail List 
Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Fellow Members,

It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
left us.
Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he 
loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.

This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.

Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.

Bob Falls
President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
Member #2413
www.imca.cc






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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list]

This is very sad news! Fred was a super nice person who always had a 
wonderful attitude and always friendly. He will be missed greatly. My 
sincere condolences to his family.


Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

gmh...@centurylink.net



-Original Message- 
From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list

Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 3:49 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Oh no!

Fred was a wonderful person with a great attitude and a ready smile. I had 
the pleasure to share some fun times with him drinking margaritas in ET's 
room in Tucson and going out to dinner.


My condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed. ☹

Mend Ouzillou

-Original Message-
From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
To: IMCA New Mail List 
Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Fellow Members,

It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
left us.
Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he 
loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.


This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.

Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.

Bob Falls
President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
Member #2413
www.imca.cc






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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Jim Baxter via Meteorite-list]

How sad, Fred was so smart, so humble, such a good hearted man. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 13, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred Olson was one of the greats among us in terms of his contribution 
> To all members of the community with his all-encompassing smile and
> Open heart. 
> 
> While I have not been able to make it to Tucson for a few years, now, when
> I did I never failed to stop by and say hi to Fred who was a virtual 
> Conduit of light, love and good vibes which he freely bequeathed 
> to all. 
> 
> When I “stepped in it” (more than a couple of times) due to my ego
> And/or naïveté and/or stupidity, Fred never faltered in his good will. 
> I will never forget that even at my worst, Fred stayed true to being his 
> best. 
> 
> What a guy.
> 
> What a loss for the meteoritic community. 
> 
> Michael Blood
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
>> To: IMCA New Mail List 
>> Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen
>> 
>> Fellow Members,
>> 
>> It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
>> left us.
>> Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he 
>> loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.
>> 
>> This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.
>> 
>> Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.
>> 
>> Bob Falls
>> President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
>> Member #2413
>> www.imca.cc
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Fred Olson was one of the greats among us in terms of his contribution 
To all members of the community with his all-encompassing smile and
Open heart. 

While I have not been able to make it to Tucson for a few years, now, when
I did I never failed to stop by and say hi to Fred who was a virtual 
Conduit of light, love and good vibes which he freely bequeathed 
to all. 

When I “stepped in it” (more than a couple of times) due to my ego
And/or naïveté and/or stupidity, Fred never faltered in his good will. 
I will never forget that even at my worst, Fred stayed true to being his best. 

What a guy.

What a loss for the meteoritic community. 

Michael Blood



> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: IMCA New Mail List 
> Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen
> 
> Fellow Members,
> 
> It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
> left us.
> Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he 
> loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.
> 
> This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.
> 
> Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.
> 
> Bob Falls
> President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
> Member #2413
> www.imca.cc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Bob and List,

I am stunned, I had talked to Fred not that long ago. I don't know
what to say.  :(



On 10/13/18, Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Oh no!
>
> Fred was a wonderful person with a great attitude and a ready smile. I had
> the pleasure to share some fun times with him drinking margaritas in ET's
> room in Tucson and going out to dinner.
>
> My condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed. ☹
>
> Mend Ouzillou
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: IMCA New Mail List 
> Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen
>
> Fellow Members,
>
> It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has
> left us.
> Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he
> loved while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.
>
> This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.
>
> Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.
>
> Bob Falls
> President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
> Member #2413
> www.imca.cc
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

[Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list]

Oh no!

Fred was a wonderful person with a great attitude and a ready smile. I had the 
pleasure to share some fun times with him drinking margaritas in ET's room in 
Tucson and going out to dinner.

My condolences to his family and friends. He will be very much missed. ☹

Mend Ouzillou

-Original Message-
From: IMCA  On Behalf Of Bob Falls via IMCA
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:40 PM
To: IMCA New Mail List 
Subject: [IMCA List] Sad News - Fred Olsen

Fellow Members,

It is with great sorrow that I inform you that fellow member Fred Olsen has 
left us.
Fred died yesterday in a boating accident doing one of the many things he loved 
while on a trip with friends and family in Oregon.

This is a great loss for all of us; Fred was a great friend.

Please keep his family in your thoughts and prayers.

Bob Falls
President - I.M.C.A., Inc.
Member #2413
www.imca.cc






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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Campaign 2018

[Swan Valley Bushcraft via Meteorite-list]

Jack:

Thanks for the offer of assistance. Before moving too quickly, we all need
to remember that nomination process for membership may be working, but not
all are happy with the outcome.


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 8:05 AM Jack N via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What are the issues with the IMCA site?
>
> I am a Unix sysadmin, happy to help out if needed.
>
> -Jack
>
>
> On 17/09/18 13:18, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > We claim to be a International Meteorite Collectors Association--
> > yet our Home site is non-existent for 350 days of each year.
> > SOMEONE fix this.
> 




__Hello my Name is Ken Regelman

I started the Astronomical Research Network in !992 .
Since then I have tried to join the IMCA twice .
I asked on the this list to be nominated . Not one person said yes !
I asked many people who just ignored me , not giving out names to anyone .
Now I don't care . I have tried to help but ..
*There are a lot of things in The IMCA**and the Meteoritical Society that
need changing .*
Best Regards to allKen



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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Campaign 2018

[Jack N via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

What are the issues with the IMCA site?

I am a Unix sysadmin, happy to help out if needed.

-Jack


On 17/09/18 13:18, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

We claim to be a International Meteorite Collectors Association--
yet our Home site is non-existent for 350 days of each year.
SOMEONE fix this.

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Campaign 2018

[Regelman via Meteorite-list]

Hello my Name is Ken Regelman
I started the Astronomical Research Network in !992 .
Since then I have tried to join the IMCA twice .
I asked on the this list to be nominated . Not one person said yes !
I asked many people who just ignored me , not giving out names to anyone .
Now I don't care . I have tried to help but ..
*There are a lot of things in The IMCA**and the Meteoritical Society 
that need changing .*


Best Regards to all    Ken
http://www.meteorites4sale.net/index.htm

On 9/16/2018 10:18 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi All,
I agree as well Carlos. For 10 years iv'e seen the IMCA go
from quiet to non-existent. Someone needs to light the
fuse. If I were 15 years younger I would find a way to have
the IMCA site on the local/national news channel once a month.
Some people say it's do to FB--fine, do it--have your party--But someone/
somehow needs to figure the "algorithm" to get this Organization
into the main stream. I'm beginning to believe that some/most
members are content with just paying their annual dues to state that
they're a member of the IMCA. Hmmm?$$   B.S

I know that many members are doing Much work towards educating
others about meteoritic subjects. Great, lets hear about it and why not
call a local news organization about it -- they might pick it up.

We claim to be a International Meteorite Collectors Association--
yet our Home site is non-existent for 350 days of each year.
SOMEONE fix this.

John Lutzon
IMCA#1896

- Original Message -
From: "John Cabassi via IMCA" 
To: "William O'hara" 
Cc: "IMCA-List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] Campaign 2018


G'Day Members
I agree with Bill.  Carlos has posted up an important issue that should be
addressed so that everyone has access to upcoming events. This definitely
would be helpful for those wishing to attend such events.

Thanks Carlos for bringing that up

Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA #2125

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:05 PM, William O'hara via IMCA 
wrote:


Hi Carlos!
Welcome to IMCA!

Thanks for making the suggestion!  I think it is a good one.  It would not
be a difficult task for someone to commit to to doing possibly on a monthly
basis.  Perhaps we could have a volunteer for each region or continent
remind the community of upcoming shows that could provide opportunities for
in-person interaction, just as Ann had suggested for me.

Keep the ideas coming!

Thanks

Bill

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 15:16 Carlos Muñecas Muñoz 
wrote:


Hello all of you

I am IMCA member just from a few days, I am from Spain and about business
matters I am in NY.

I just read Anne mail about Denver mineral show, I would like to propose,
if it is possible, IMCA send fairs information. I didn’t know nothing

about

Denver fair, but sure, if I had known before, I would have gone.

It is only a recommendation

Thank you and Best Regards

Carlos Muñecas
I.M.C.A. #8187

Carlos Muñecas
Un saludo

Enviado desde mi iPhone


El 16 sept 2018, a las 12:27, Anne Black via IMCA 

escribió:


Bill,

Since you are right here near Denver, why don't you come down to the

Mineral Show at the Denver Mart today, it is the last day of the Show but
you could still meet a few people.

And I'd like to meet you too.


Anne Black - Past President.
IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: William O'hara via IMCA 
To: IMCA-List 
Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2018 2:19 am
Subject: [IMCA List] (no subject)

Hello IMCA!


My name is Bill O'Hara and I am running for a position on the IMCA

board

of

directors.

I would like to introduce myself and provide some background.



While I was listed as a living in Texas, I recently moved to Colorado

to

accept a position at the Sierra Nevada Corporation as a Principal

Engineer.

Before I moved to Colorado I work at NASA's Johnson Space Center for

twenty

years.  My specialty is human spaceflight habitats and systems.  I was

a

crew instructor and flight controller for the International Space

Station

in my early years before moving to advanced development work on the

Orion

spacecraft program for Lockheed Martin, and now work in SNC'S advanced
development group.   I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering and an M.S.

in

Geophysics.  I have four kids, including a four year old that is crazy
about rocks.



Meteorites are a hobby of mine.  I have purchased meteorites through a
number of IMCA members and developed a sizable collection. This hobby
allows me to apply my interest in geology and geophysics which I don't

get

to use in my regular day job.  While I haven't had the opportunity to
publish articles on meteorites, I did create a series of blog posts

which

you can read here: Part 1
<

https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/16/meteoritical-me-part-1-

beginnings/

,
Part 2
<

https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/meteoritical-me-part-2-

favorites/

and Part 3
<

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Campaign 2018

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hi All,
I agree as well Carlos. For 10 years iv'e seen the IMCA go
from quiet to non-existent. Someone needs to light the
fuse. If I were 15 years younger I would find a way to have
the IMCA site on the local/national news channel once a month.
Some people say it's do to FB--fine, do it--have your party--But someone/
somehow needs to figure the "algorithm" to get this Organization
into the main stream. I'm beginning to believe that some/most
members are content with just paying their annual dues to state that
they're a member of the IMCA. Hmmm?$$   B.S

I know that many members are doing Much work towards educating
others about meteoritic subjects. Great, lets hear about it and why not
call a local news organization about it -- they might pick it up.

We claim to be a International Meteorite Collectors Association--
yet our Home site is non-existent for 350 days of each year.
SOMEONE fix this.

John Lutzon
IMCA#1896

- Original Message - 
From: "John Cabassi via IMCA" 
To: "William O'hara" 
Cc: "IMCA-List" 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] Campaign 2018


G'Day Members
I agree with Bill.  Carlos has posted up an important issue that should be
addressed so that everyone has access to upcoming events. This definitely
would be helpful for those wishing to attend such events.

Thanks Carlos for bringing that up

Cheers
John Cabassi
IMCA #2125

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:05 PM, William O'hara via IMCA 
wrote:

> Hi Carlos!
> Welcome to IMCA!
>
> Thanks for making the suggestion!  I think it is a good one.  It would not
> be a difficult task for someone to commit to to doing possibly on a monthly
> basis.  Perhaps we could have a volunteer for each region or continent
> remind the community of upcoming shows that could provide opportunities for
> in-person interaction, just as Ann had suggested for me.
>
> Keep the ideas coming!
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 15:16 Carlos Muñecas Muñoz 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all of you
> >
> > I am IMCA member just from a few days, I am from Spain and about business
> > matters I am in NY.
> >
> > I just read Anne mail about Denver mineral show, I would like to propose,
> > if it is possible, IMCA send fairs information. I didn’t know nothing
> about
> > Denver fair, but sure, if I had known before, I would have gone.
> >
> > It is only a recommendation
> >
> > Thank you and Best Regards
> >
> > Carlos Muñecas
> > I.M.C.A. #8187
> >
> > Carlos Muñecas
> > Un saludo
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >
> > > El 16 sept 2018, a las 12:27, Anne Black via IMCA 
> > escribió:
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Since you are right here near Denver, why don't you come down to the
> > Mineral Show at the Denver Mart today, it is the last day of the Show but
> > you could still meet a few people.
> > >
> > > And I'd like to meet you too.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anne Black - Past President.
> > > IMPACTIKA.com
> > > impact...@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: William O'hara via IMCA 
> > > To: IMCA-List 
> > > Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2018 2:19 am
> > > Subject: [IMCA List] (no subject)
> > >
> > > Hello IMCA!
> > >
> > >
> > > My name is Bill O'Hara and I am running for a position on the IMCA
> board
> > of
> > > directors.
> > >
> > > I would like to introduce myself and provide some background.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I was listed as a living in Texas, I recently moved to Colorado
> to
> > > accept a position at the Sierra Nevada Corporation as a Principal
> > Engineer.
> > > Before I moved to Colorado I work at NASA's Johnson Space Center for
> > twenty
> > > years.  My specialty is human spaceflight habitats and systems.  I was
> a
> > > crew instructor and flight controller for the International Space
> Station
> > > in my early years before moving to advanced development work on the
> Orion
> > > spacecraft program for Lockheed Martin, and now work in SNC'S advanced
> > > development group.   I have a B.S. in Aerospace Engineering and an M.S.
> > in
> > > Geophysics.  I have four kids, including a four year old that is crazy
> > > about rocks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meteorites are a hobby of mine.  I have purchased meteorites through a
> > > number of IMCA members and developed a sizable collection. This hobby
> > > allows me to apply my interest in geology and geophysics which I don't
> > get
> > > to use in my regular day job.  While I haven't had the opportunity to
> > > publish articles on meteorites, I did create a series of blog posts
> which
> > > you can read here: Part 1
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/16/meteoritical-me-part-1-
> beginnings/
> > >,
> > > Part 2
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/07/30/meteoritical-me-part-2-
> favorites/
> > >
> > > and Part 3
> > > <
> > https://timeandspaceweb.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/meteoritical-me-part-3-
> collecting/
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am excited to run for a director 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] IMCA BoD Election 2017: Questions about Provenance for Candidates and all Members

[Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list]

Hello everyone,

First and foremost, I am a collector. As such, the provenance of my specimens 
is as important to me as the specimens themselves. As stated previously, the 
main focus of the IMCA is to ensure authenticity and this is an issue the IMCA 
board of Directors take very seriously. So, I will respond as a collector and a 
candidate for the IMCA board.

I, like Anne, also stay away from specimens whose chain of custody includes 
collectors/dealers with a bad reputation. The importance of provenance and the 
chain of custody have become more and more important to me over time. I have 
had to learn the hard way that some mistakes made by sellers are innocent and 
some mistakes are not mistakes but outright fraud. In that time and especially 
during my transition into becoming a dealer, I have learned that it is just as 
important to provide my and previous owners' specimen cards to ensure a 
continuous chain of custody. One reason is that no laboratory will spend time 
testing my Ash Creek is a NWA-look alike or the real deal. Not that the labs 
can't perform the testing, just that the analysis results of one L6 are very 
often difficult to distinguish from another L6. Unfortunately, not all 
meteorites are as unique as Tatahouine or Gujba to make them "obvious". So, 
coming back to provenance and chain of custody, this is often the only guarante
 e we as collectors have that the specimen in your collection is in fact 
authentic. 

As my wife has (very patiently and graciously) been conducting a complete 
inventory of my collection and items for sale, another issue has surfaced. 
Specimens that I bought (when I first started collecting) being listed as 
classified or being a certain type that later turn out to be neither. So, 
always check the MetBull to make sure the item you are buying is what you think 
it is. Also, never be afraid to ask your dealer whatever questions you feel are 
appropriate to give you confidence in that purchase.

With our membership's feedback and board action, we can make improvements to 
the Code of Ethics to provide better guidelines that help protect buyers and 
sellers.

Best,

Mendy

-Original Message-
From: IMCA [mailto:imca-boun...@mail.imca.co] On Behalf Of Don Cracraft via IMCA
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:14 PM
To: i...@mail.imca.co; metopas...@gmx.de; i...@mail.imca.co
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] IMCA BoB Election 2017: Questions about Provenance for 
Candidates and all Members

Hi all!
I record the date of purchase, who I bought it from and any information 
regarding prevuous owners along with several other bits of information on such 
as the sellers descriprion of it, their IMCA member number (when possible),  
the picture, declared weight, TKW, etc. for every individual meteorite in my 
collection for the over 300 meteorites and 24 meteoritic thin sections in my 
collection.
The recording of every bit of information is paramount! With provenance and 
full documentation the value is far less than it could be! Sadly, provenance 
can help "clean out" your collection should information regarding a seller 
arise after a purchase.
Being handicapped, I am unable to go into the field to go meteorite hunting 
myself. Having been in document control, I believe in documenting everything 
about the meteorites in my collection.
Don CracraftIMCA 2650Creator of the original DMC Meteorite scale cube, the one 
with the  "T" and the "1 CM"

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Paul Swartz via IMCA 
wrote:   Provenance is important for many reasons - it is a chain of custody, 
collection cards in the chain from reputable dealers instills confidence, and 
it preserves the history of the specimen. I keep all collection cards I receive 
with a specimen and include them along with my collection card when I sell it.
 
Cheers
 
Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204
MPOD Web Master
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/26/2017 1:31:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
i...@mail.imca.co writes:

 
 Dear fellow candidates and members,



our email-list is far too quiet for election time. Please remember that this 
time during our annual election is the time, where we can ask question to make 
our mind up for whom of the candidates we want to vote. This is the time to get 
an impression for what a candidate may stands for and if you feel confident 
with him on the BoD later or not. 

As I have to made up my decisions too and due to the fact, that it is of 
general interest for me, my question is not meant for my fellow candidates only 
- it is for all of you. I want to ask the following: 

- How important is provenance to you (today and/or in the past)? 

- How many pre-owners of your collection samples do you know and do you give 
this information to your customers or trade partners, if a piece leaves you?


- Do you attach all labels to a piece which you have- also the one of your 
source or just your own one, if you give it away?



Curious to hear about from all 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Dr. Ehlmann

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

My prayers and condolences to His Family and friends.
John

- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Black via IMCA" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 4:37 PM
Subject: [IMCA List] Dr. Ehlmann



For all of you who are not on Facebook:

Very sad news today, Dr. Art Ehlmann passed away this morning at the age of 89.
He was a pillar of the Meteorite World, a friend and mentor to many of us, and 
will be sorely missed.

If you don't know who he is, please read:

https://www.meteorite-times.com/monning-collection/dr-arthur-ehlmann/


 

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Collection Has Been Sold

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Sorry for cross-listingduh

 
- Original Message - 
From: "John Lutzon via Meteorite-list" 
To: "Count Deiro" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Collection Has Been Sold



All best Count,

My best to you & family 
Please stay in touch with this List, as you wish.

Again, All Best--good recovery !!

John Lutzon

- Original Message - 
From: "Count Deiro via IMCA" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:37 PM
Subject: [IMCA List] Collection Has Been Sold


Dear Friends and Associates,

My entire collection of specimens, books, field equipment and miscellaneous was 
sold today to one individual dealer. I am very 
pleased with the outcome and wish to thank all of you who expressed an interest 
and those who also wished me well.

I retained the Stump Springs main mass that I found in the Nevada desert on my 
very first expedition for sentimental reasons.

A Happy New Year to all!

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Collection Has Been Sold

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

All best Count,

My best to you & family 
Please stay in touch with this List, as you wish.

Again, All Best--good recovery !!

John Lutzon

- Original Message - 
From: "Count Deiro via IMCA" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 7:37 PM
Subject: [IMCA List] Collection Has Been Sold


Dear Friends and Associates,

My entire collection of specimens, books, field equipment and miscellaneous was 
sold today to one individual dealer. I am very 
pleased with the outcome and wish to thank all of you who expressed an interest 
and those who also wished me well.

I retained the Stump Springs main mass that I found in the Nevada desert on my 
very first expedition for sentimental reasons.

A Happy New Year to all!

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

I was just accused of making a big deal out of nothing.

My response is that the BLM is very aware of what is happening with 
meteorites found on public land.  We had a BLM agent approach us in Pahrump, 
Nevada and ask us what we were doing.  He was asking leading questions 
like," how much are these meteorites worth?", "what price do get for these 
things?" and "how much have you collected?"  Fortunately, our team did not 
fall for the trap.  Everybody answered, "they have no commercial value 
whatsoever and we do not intend to sell any of our finds."


I was wondering why gold mining operations call meteorites "curious metal 
rocks."  It is because most of these operations have claims on public land. 
They are not interesting in jeopardizing their operations by selling 
meteorites or artifacts.  They are discarded or buried as quickly as 
possible.  A single artifact find can shut down a construction site 
indefinitely until archeologists can map out the area.  In the meantime, 
they will not even utter the words "artifact" or "meteorite."  State owned 
land and parks followed the federal laws and made them even stricter.


Happy Hunting,

Adam

- Original Message - 
From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices


One thing many forget (or ignore) is that meteorites found of federal land 
here in the U.S. cannot be used for commercial purposes (sold).  Private 
land owners have a history of trying to regain possession of meteorites 
found on their land if an agreement wasn't in place before the hunt.  I 
tried to gain access to a ranch to chase down a suspected large meteorite 
and the owner wasn't interested in letting strangers freely roam about his 
property.  His reason is that he no longer trusts anybody and that people 
these days disappoint him constantly.


Trading of meteorites found on public land is still alright for the time 
being,


Adam
.

.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list" 
; "Anne Black" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices


Ah...  I see you've chosen to apply the "monkey see, monkey do" approach 
to pricing meteorites, Ruben.  An approach guaranteed to yield maximal 
profits for the time being.


Unfortunately the analogy does not entirely apply because specimens 
locked up in university collections often can be traded for.  I've had 
some success at this lately myself, and knock on wood, maybe in the near 
future.


Well, hold a piece of Creston for me while I put my first born up for 
sale...  ;-)


(Just poking... You know I dig your ebay sales. :-D )

Cheers,
John


Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 11/20/15 at 8:59 AM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:


Hi all,



Thank you Anne for listing the weights.



I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all

California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?



That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any

person or university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even

sell at that price.



And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California

falls (2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.







On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list

 wrote:

> Novato  314g

> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g

> San Juan Capistrano  56g

> Sutter's Mill  993g

> Creston  800g (so far)

>

> Total: 2181.4g

>

> You must have big hands!

>

>

> Anne M. Black

> www.IMPACTIKA.com

> impact...@aol.com

>

>

> -----Original Message-

> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> 


> To: Michael Mulgrew 

> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 


> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

>

> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.

>

> Michael Farmer

>

>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:


>>

>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home

>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a

>> meteorite.

>>

>> Michael in so. Cal.

>>

>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list

>>  wrote:

>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command 
>>> center. The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. 
>>> Come on up. It's not far from you. Far more mone

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

One thing many forget (or ignore) is that meteorites found of federal land 
here in the U.S. cannot be used for commercial purposes (sold).  Private 
land owners have a history of trying to regain possession of meteorites 
found on their land if an agreement wasn't in place before the hunt.  I 
tried to gain access to a ranch to chase down a suspected large meteorite 
and the owner wasn't interested in letting strangers freely roam about his 
property.  His reason is that he no longer trusts anybody and that people 
these days disappoint him constantly.


Trading of meteorites found on public land is still alright for the time 
being,


Adam
.

.
- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list" ; 
"Anne Black" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices


Ah...  I see you've chosen to apply the "monkey see, monkey do" approach 
to pricing meteorites, Ruben.  An approach guaranteed to yield maximal 
profits for the time being.


Unfortunately the analogy does not entirely apply because specimens locked 
up in university collections often can be traded for.  I've had some 
success at this lately myself, and knock on wood, maybe in the near 
future.


Well, hold a piece of Creston for me while I put my first born up for 
sale...  ;-)


(Just poking... You know I dig your ebay sales. :-D )

Cheers,
John


Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 11/20/15 at 8:59 AM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:


Hi all,



Thank you Anne for listing the weights.



I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all

California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?



That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any

person or university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even

sell at that price.



And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California

falls (2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.







On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list

 wrote:

> Novato  314g

> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g

> San Juan Capistrano  56g

> Sutter's Mill  993g

> Creston  800g (so far)

>

> Total: 2181.4g

>

> You must have big hands!

>

>

> Anne M. Black

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>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> 


> To: Michael Mulgrew 

> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 


> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

>

> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.

>

> Michael Farmer

>

>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:


>>

>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home

>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a

>> meteorite.

>>

>> Michael in so. Cal.

>>

>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list

>>  wrote:

>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command 
>>> center. The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. 
>>> Come on up. It's not far from you. Far more money than gold.


>>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. 
>>> My market is pretty good.


>>>

>>> Michael Farmer

>>>

>>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>>>  wrote:


>>>>

>>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible 
>>>> L6? This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few 
>>>> buyers who do not care about the price but they will be far and few 
>>>> between in this horrible economy.


>>>>

>>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

>>>>

>>>> Adam

>>>>

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Ah...  I see you've chosen to apply the "monkey see, monkey do" approach to 
pricing meteorites, Ruben.  An approach guaranteed to yield maximal profits for 
the time being.

Unfortunately the analogy does not entirely apply because specimens locked up 
in university collections often can be traded for.  I've had some success at 
this lately myself, and knock on wood, maybe in the near future.

Well, hold a piece of Creston for me while I put my first born up for sale...  
;-)   

(Just poking... You know I dig your ebay sales. :-D )

Cheers,
John


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On 11/20/15 at 8:59 AM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you Anne for listing the weights.
> 
> 
> 
> I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all
> 
> California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?
> 
> 
> 
> That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any
> 
> person or university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even
> 
> sell at that price.
> 
> 
> 
> And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California
> 
> falls (2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Novato  314g
> 
> > Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
> 
> > San Juan Capistrano  56g
> 
> > Sutter's Mill  993g
> 
> > Creston  800g (so far)
> 
> >
> 
> > Total: 2181.4g
> 
> >
> 
> > You must have big hands!
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > Anne M. Black
> 
> > www.IMPACTIKA.com
> 
> > impact...@aol.com
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > -Original Message-
> 
> > From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> > 
> 
> > To: Michael Mulgrew 
> 
> > Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> > Raremeteorites 
> 
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
> 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
> 
> >
> 
> > All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.
> 
> >
> 
> > Michael Farmer
> 
> >
> 
> >> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
> >>  wrote:
> 
> >>
> 
> >> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
> 
> >> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
> 
> >> meteorite.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> Michael in so. Cal.
> 
> >>
> 
> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
> 
> >>  wrote:
> 
> >>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
> >>> The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. 
> >>> It's not far from you. Far more money than gold.
> 
> >>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
> >>> market is pretty good.
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>> Michael Farmer
> 
> >>>
> 
> >>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
> >>>>  wrote:
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
> >>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
> >>>> not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
> >>>> horrible economy.
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> Adam
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>>
> 
> >>>> __
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list]

Hi,

I don't know if Creston is a bargain or over priced at $300. Only time will
tell. However, Novato another recent California common chondrite fall would
be quickly bought up if it was offered at $300 a gram. I know, I would be
doing the buying. 

Thanks,

Peter  

-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 8:59 AM
To: Anne Black
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Farmer; Raremeteorites
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

Hi all,

Thank you Anne for listing the weights.

I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all
California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?

That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any person or
university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even sell at that
price.

And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California falls
(2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.



On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Novato  314g
> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
> San Juan Capistrano  56g
> Sutter's Mill  993g
> Creston  800g (so far)
>
> Total: 2181.4g
>
> You must have big hands!
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> 
> To: Michael Mulgrew 
> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
>
> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>>
>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home 
>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a 
>> meteorite.
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command
center. The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on
up. It's not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My
market is pretty good.
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible
L6? This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do
not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this
horrible economy.
>>>>
>>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

Thank you Anne for listing the weights.

I did I mention that with the exception of Creston ($300 per gram) all
California falls would be priced at a minimum of $1000 per gram?

That is If you were to attempt to acquire a tiny fragment from any
person or university. However, it's highly likely that they'd not even
sell at that price.

And yes, I can easily hold the combined total weight of all California
falls (2.1 kilos)  kilos in one hand.



On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:10 AM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Novato  314g
> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
> San Juan Capistrano  56g
> Sutter's Mill  993g
> Creston  800g (so far)
>
> Total: 2181.4g
>
> You must have big hands!
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> To: Michael Mulgrew 
> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
>
> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
>> meteorite.
>>
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
>>> The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's 
>>> not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
>>> market is pretty good.
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
>>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
>>>> not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
>>>> horrible economy.
>>>>
>>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Why is that? 2 kg would easily fit in one hand. Even less than I thought. 
Michael. 
Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Anne Black  wrote:
> 
> Novato  314g
> Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
> San Juan Capistrano  56g
> Sutter's Mill  993g
> Creston  800g (so far)
> 
> Total: 2181.4g
> 
> You must have big hands!
> 
> 
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
> To: Michael Mulgrew 
> Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
> Raremeteorites 
> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
> 
> All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
>> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
>> meteorite.
>> 
>> Michael in so. Cal.
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
>>> The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's 
>>> not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
>>> market is pretty good.
>>> 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
>>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
>>>> not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
>>>> horrible economy.
>>>> 
>>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>>> 
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Anne Black via Meteorite-list]

Novato  314g
Red Canyon Lake  18.4g
San Juan Capistrano  56g
Sutter's Mill  993g
Creston  800g (so far)

Total: 2181.4g

You must have big hands!


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-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
To: Michael Mulgrew 
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List ; 
Raremeteorites 
Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:03 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands. 

Michael Farmer

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
> meteorite.
> 
> Michael in so. Cal.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
>> The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's 
>> not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
>> market is pretty good.
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
>>> not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
>>> horrible economy.
>>> 
>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

All California witnessed falls could be held in two hands. 

Michael Farmer

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
> state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
> meteorite.
> 
> Michael in so. Cal.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
>> The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's 
>> not far from you. Far more money than gold.
>> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
>> market is pretty good.
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
>>> not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
>>> horrible economy.
>>> 
>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>> 
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

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I appreciate the invite but the original Mobile Meteorite Command Center 
lasted one season before being retired six years ago.  It seemed like a good 
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components would pull loose or pop off.  Team Lunarrock eventually upgraded 
to an all metal Airstream with stainless steel interior.  We could not keep 
the inside temperature below 90 degrees even with beefed up air-conditioning 
units making it like sleeping in an oven.  Dirt roads and trails are no 
place to be pulling trailers.  I cannot tell you how many shocks and springs 
we broke trying.   The second command center now sits in a member's driveway 
being used as storage.


Finally, we got smart and went with safari type rooftop tents and trailers 
without axles designed to be pulled behind Jeeps.


I will stick to gold for now since it helps pay the bills.  The last 
meteorite hunting trip I went on a few weeks ago didn't produce anything 
other than a military rocket nose fairing packed with electronics which we 
left in situ.   I was afraid to pick it up since I didn't know if contained 
explosives or not but did manage to take some pictures of it.  We also found 
some aircraft flare clips.  It was still worth the six hour drive to get out 
of the house for a weekend and visit with some friends.


Happy Hunting,

Adam



- Original Message - 
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To: "Raremeteorites" ; "Meteorite Mailing 
List" 

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices


Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. 
The strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's 
not far from you. Far more money than gold.
I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My 
market is pretty good.


Michael Farmer

On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
not care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
horrible economy.


I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list]

If it was within my budget I'd buy it just because it's from my home
state.  There's more reasons than a classification to want a
meteorite.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. The 
> strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's not 
> far from you. Far more money than gold.
> I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My market 
> is pretty good.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
>> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do not 
>> care about the price but they will be far and few between in this horrible 
>> economy.
>>
>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
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[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Adam. There is plenty of parking for the mobile meteorite command center. The 
strewnfield is large and endless roads and vineyards. Come on up. It's not far 
from you. Far more money than gold.
I had 20 requests to buy the piece of found today. Sold in seconds. My market 
is pretty good. 

Michael Farmer

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? This 
> is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do not care 
> about the price but they will be far and few between in this horrible economy.
> 
> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

If you want some of my gold, you can get a better price by bidding on it 
like everybody else.  I do have a one ounce world class crystalline 22k gold 
nugget that showed up in my high banker a few months ago that is now in my 
eBay store for a mere $2,295.00 if you are interested.  A little know fact 
is that Gold nuggets of one ounce or better are rarer than diamonds of five 
carats.  The larger the nugget, the more over bullion value it is worth.  It 
is the complete opposite with meteorites: Usually the greater the TKW, the 
lower the price.


GOLD NUGGET - WASILLA, ALASKA -29.1 GRAMS - MUSEUM WORTHY
http://r.ebay.com/JA81E0

I was working some pay dirt Saturday and came up with a 15.9 gram gold 
thumper nugget.  I already have over a dozen takers once I decide to sell 
it.  Like any other collector, I want to enjoy it for awhile first.


My comments were coming from a collectors standpoint however I do believe in 
a free market so I wish you well on your $300.00/gram endeavor.


Adam

/
- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" 

To: "Raremeteorites" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices



Hi Adam,

So you wont sell me the gold at $30 per gram?   Ok, then.. I'll
have to live with that.

As for Creston - the price of our material will NEVER be lowered.  End of 
Story!




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Gold collectors are paying only $30.00/gram for gold since we are talking
about natural gold, not bullion.  Crystalline gold specimens go for twice
this amount.

I can sell it as quickly as it is produced since gold is very liquidable 
and
is in very high demand.  I put a few samples on eBay mainly for 
advertising
purposes since it lets prospective buyers know that I have some 
available.

Like anything else offered on eBay, gold goes for below spot prices.

It is not up to me to justify prices.  Like you said, it is a matter of
supply and demand.  Lets see how long the $300.00/gram price stands up 
for

an L6.

Adam






- Original Message - From: "Ruben Garcia"

To: "Raremeteorites" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices



Hi Adam,

Just one more thing. You mentioned that @ $300 per gram Creston is
worth 10 times the price of gold.

Done, I will buy all your gold for $30 per gram.   No kidding, here's
a chance to make a very large sale. I'll bet other gold collectors
would also.

Please call me privately and we can solidify the purchase.




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:


Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible 
L6?
This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who 
do

not
care about the price but they will be far and few between in this
horrible
economy.

I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Hi Adam,

So you wont sell me the gold at $30 per gram?   Ok, then.. I'll
have to live with that.

As for Creston - the price of our material will NEVER be lowered.  End of Story!



On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Gold collectors are paying only $30.00/gram for gold since we are talking
> about natural gold, not bullion.  Crystalline gold specimens go for twice
> this amount.
>
> I can sell it as quickly as it is produced since gold is very liquidable and
> is in very high demand.  I put a few samples on eBay mainly for advertising
> purposes since it lets prospective buyers know that I have some available.
> Like anything else offered on eBay, gold goes for below spot prices.
>
> It is not up to me to justify prices.  Like you said, it is a matter of
> supply and demand.  Lets see how long the $300.00/gram price stands up for
> an L6.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ruben Garcia"
> 
> To: "Raremeteorites" 
> Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices
>
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> Just one more thing. You mentioned that @ $300 per gram Creston is
>> worth 10 times the price of gold.
>>
>> Done, I will buy all your gold for $30 per gram.   No kidding, here's
>> a chance to make a very large sale. I'll bet other gold collectors
>> would also.
>>
>> Please call me privately and we can solidify the purchase.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6?
>>> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do
>>> not
>>> care about the price but they will be far and few between in this
>>> horrible
>>> economy.
>>>
>>> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
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[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Gold collectors are paying only $30.00/gram for gold since we are talking 
about natural gold, not bullion.  Crystalline gold specimens go for twice 
this amount.


I can sell it as quickly as it is produced since gold is very liquidable and 
is in very high demand.  I put a few samples on eBay mainly for advertising 
purposes since it lets prospective buyers know that I have some available. 
Like anything else offered on eBay, gold goes for below spot prices.


It is not up to me to justify prices.  Like you said, it is a matter of 
supply and demand.  Lets see how long the $300.00/gram price stands up for 
an L6.


Adam






- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" 

To: "Raremeteorites" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices



Hi Adam,

Just one more thing. You mentioned that @ $300 per gram Creston is
worth 10 times the price of gold.

Done, I will buy all your gold for $30 per gram.   No kidding, here's
a chance to make a very large sale. I'll bet other gold collectors
would also.

Please call me privately and we can solidify the purchase.




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6?
This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
not
care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
horrible

economy.

I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

Adam


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[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Hi Adam,

Just one more thing. You mentioned that @ $300 per gram Creston is
worth 10 times the price of gold.

Done, I will buy all your gold for $30 per gram.   No kidding, here's
a chance to make a very large sale. I'll bet other gold collectors
would also.

Please call me privately and we can solidify the purchase.




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6?
> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do not
> care about the price but they will be far and few between in this horrible
> economy.
>
> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>
> Adam
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Maybe I should dig out my meteorite and collectables inventories from deep 
storage since it looks like the market has fully recovered and then some if 
this new fall is a real indication.


Give me a break, $300.00/gram for an ordinary chondrite?  The price has gone 
up quicker than my health care premiums which increased by 25% in one year.


I think it is time to shut down my mining and mineral operations and go back 
to dealing meteorites since an L6 fall is now worth 10 times the price of 
gold.,


Adam





- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" 

To: "Raremeteorites" 
Cc: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 


Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices



Hi Adam,

Simply put, it is the law of supply and demand.

I talked to Mike Farmer several times today, and he assured me that
even though they're having a good time that nothing from them will
ever be for sale - with the exception of the small fragment (part of
Wards Stone) he just found tonight. Please ask Mike what it cost him
to go find it...It was NOT free!  He said it cost him plenty!. I'll
let him elaborate if he cares to. Additionally he said he missed his
family and is leaving tomorrow.

So far  - today as we speak - only 4-5 slices are available as the
rest has already been sold.

This fall is not for everyone  - it couldn't be - as there was only 59
grams worth of slices to go round. I emailed universities last night
and gave them first shot at owning a slice.  Many of them acquired
specimens and were happy to do so.

Since about half was taken at the university level that leaves only
about 30 grams worth of slices for collectors.  Supply and demand.

If you want a slice of Novato (L6 ) or Monahans (H5) it will cost you
$1000 per gram.  Now you may not want to pay that. If so, fine, it's
not for you.
Don't buy it..


I cater to all levels of meteorite collectors and love them all. High
end and low end alike, I love them all.

Nothing else needs to be said on my end.

Goodnight,




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6?
This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do 
not
care about the price but they will be far and few between in this 
horrible

economy.

I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

Adam


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[Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list]

Hi Adam,

Simply put, it is the law of supply and demand.

I talked to Mike Farmer several times today, and he assured me that
even though they're having a good time that nothing from them will
ever be for sale - with the exception of the small fragment (part of
Wards Stone) he just found tonight. Please ask Mike what it cost him
to go find it...It was NOT free!  He said it cost him plenty!. I'll
let him elaborate if he cares to. Additionally he said he missed his
family and is leaving tomorrow.

So far  - today as we speak - only 4-5 slices are available as the
rest has already been sold.

This fall is not for everyone  - it couldn't be - as there was only 59
grams worth of slices to go round. I emailed universities last night
and gave them first shot at owning a slice.  Many of them acquired
specimens and were happy to do so.

Since about half was taken at the university level that leaves only
about 30 grams worth of slices for collectors.  Supply and demand.

If you want a slice of Novato (L6 ) or Monahans (H5) it will cost you
$1000 per gram.  Now you may not want to pay that. If so, fine, it's
not for you.
Don't buy it..


I cater to all levels of meteorite collectors and love them all. High
end and low end alike, I love them all.

Nothing else needs to be said on my end.

Goodnight,




On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6?
> This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do not
> care about the price but they will be far and few between in this horrible
> economy.
>
> I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.
>
> Adam
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Creston new fall prices

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Are people actually paying (speculating) $300.00/gram for a possible L6? 
This is ten times the price of gold!  You might find a few buyers who do not 
care about the price but they will be far and few between in this horrible 
economy.


I would invest in a proven Martian fall like Zagami at this price.

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] 'Meteorite man,' wife arrested

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

It is cool.  This militia member, legal expert, self-proclaimed judge and 
executioner has cost a lot decent meteorite people a great deal in the way 
of legal fees and grief, not to mention fear for their lives.



- Original Message - 
From: "Roman Jirasek via IMCA" 
To: "Roman Jirasek" ; "Ken Newton" 


Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] 'Meteorite man,' wife arrested



Retract - it's actually not cool but sad, sorry.

Roman


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Cc: 
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] 'Meteorite man,' wife arrested


Cool. LOL

Roman Jirasek

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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 5:29 PM
To: 
Subject: [IMCA List] 'Meteorite man,' wife arrested

*Montrose Daily Press – By Katharhynn Heidelberg Daily Press Senior 
Writer *


*Nov. 13, 2015*

'Meteorite man,' wife arrested

*Steve Curry, the Montrose man convicted in 2012 of theft relating to 
the
sale of a purported meteorite, will begin serving a yearlong jail 
sentence,

after deputies arrested him at his home Tuesday.*

*Also arrested at the Dave Wood Road residence was Curry’s wife, Sandra
Tyler, who allegedly hit a deputy, Montrose County Sheriff Rick Dunlap
said.*

*Tyler posted bail before her initial court appearance and is to return 
to

court Dec. 7. A call made to her listed phone number rang unanswered
Thursday.*

*Dunlap’s office was prompted to act on Curry’s outstanding failure to
appear warrant from Mesa County because of a letter Curry allegedly sent 
to

the Montrose County Treasurer’s office, the sheriff said.*

*“The county treasurer received a letter from Mr. Curry that we 
considered
threatening. We decided that we had to take measure to remedy the 
problem,”

Dunlap said.*

*The MCSO executed a plan in order to take Curry into custody safely,
Dunlap said, declining to elaborate. *

*Curry was contacted outside of his home and arrested without incident 
on

the Mesa County warrant for failure to appear, and, per Dunlap, on a
Montrose County warrant for allegedly violating a protection order that
barred him from contacting certain county employees.*

*Tyler arrived home and “tried to insert herself into the middle of the
arrest,” Dunlap alleged.*

*Sgt. Mathew Taramarcaz saw Tyler get out of a car; he told her to walk
toward him and away from the Special Response Team that was arresting
Curry, according to Tyler’s arrest affidavit.*

*“That’s my husband and I am going to him,” Tyler said, per the 
affidavit.
She then “walked at a fast pace toward the team,” Taramarcaz alleged in 
the

document. He told her to stop and she allegedly said she wouldn’t, while
also trying to walk around Lt. Ben Halsey.*

*Taramarcaz attempted to grab Tyler at about the same time that Halsey 
also

tried to take hold of her. Tyler jerked way from Halsey, striking
Taramarcaz’s forearm with her left hand, causing pain, the affidavit
alleges.*

*She allegedly continued attempting to pull away from the officers, who
reported they made several attempts to calm her.*

*The affidavit alleges she continued to resist and, when told she was 
under
arrest, “stated something to the effect of, ‘I did not hit you that 
hard.’”*


*Tyler then allegedly refused to get into a patrol truck, until Sgt. 
Keith

Sanders began escorting her to it.*

*She was arrested on suspicion of second-degree assault, interference,
resisting arrest and accessory to a crime. Dunlap said Tyler knew that
Curry was wanted and had tried to prevent his arrest.*

*Formal charges have not been filed and again, Tyler is free on bond.*

*Dunlap did not specify what the Curry’s alleged threat to the treasurer
had been. The remarks that were construed as threatening referred to a
foreclosure, Dunlap said.*

*Curry, known in town as the “Meteorite Man,” previously told the Daily
Press he had discovered terrestrial meteorites. *

*In 2011, he sold as a meteorite a piece of iron to a Grand Junction
business and was subsequently convicted of misdemeanor theft and fraud; 
he
vowed to appeal and maintained his innocence. In a 2013 document, he 
called

his sentencing in Mesa County “illegal by all constitutional measures,
procedures, standards and statutes.”*

*Curry in 2013 also tried to generate interest in establishing a “common
law” grand jury in Montrose County.*

*Common law juries have no power; legal experts say they don’t exist 
today,

but Curry disagreed. *

*Grand juries in Colorado are subject to statute.*

*Curry failed to appear for sentencing, per Dunlap’s information.*

*He is to serve a year in jail in Mesa County on the case there, Dunlap
said.*

*The Grand Junction Police Department could not be reached for comment 
late

Thursday afternoon.*

*Authorities have known Curry’s whereabouts for some time since the 
failure
to appear warrant was issued; Dunlap 

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[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Steve Curry's “common law, grand jury in Montrose County" has sentenced 
several List Members to hanging.


He fancies' himself a fiscal progressive liberal whatever that means.




- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Newton via IMCA" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 2:29 PM
Subject: [IMCA List] 'Meteorite man,' wife arrested


*Montrose Daily Press – By Katharhynn Heidelberg Daily Press Senior Writer *

*Nov. 13, 2015*

'Meteorite man,' wife arrested

*Steve Curry, the Montrose man convicted in 2012 of theft relating to the
sale of a purported meteorite, will begin serving a yearlong jail sentence,
after deputies arrested him at his home Tuesday.*

*Also arrested at the Dave Wood Road residence was Curry’s wife, Sandra
Tyler, who allegedly hit a deputy, Montrose County Sheriff Rick Dunlap
said.*

*Tyler posted bail before her initial court appearance and is to return to
court Dec. 7. A call made to her listed phone number rang unanswered
Thursday.*

*Dunlap’s office was prompted to act on Curry’s outstanding failure to
appear warrant from Mesa County because of a letter Curry allegedly sent to
the Montrose County Treasurer’s office, the sheriff said.*

*“The county treasurer received a letter from Mr. Curry that we considered
threatening. We decided that we had to take measure to remedy the problem,”
Dunlap said.*

*The MCSO executed a plan in order to take Curry into custody safely,
Dunlap said, declining to elaborate. *

*Curry was contacted outside of his home and arrested without incident on
the Mesa County warrant for failure to appear, and, per Dunlap, on a
Montrose County warrant for allegedly violating a protection order that
barred him from contacting certain county employees.*

*Tyler arrived home and “tried to insert herself into the middle of the
arrest,” Dunlap alleged.*

*Sgt. Mathew Taramarcaz saw Tyler get out of a car; he told her to walk
toward him and away from the Special Response Team that was arresting
Curry, according to Tyler’s arrest affidavit.*

*“That’s my husband and I am going to him,” Tyler said, per the affidavit.
She then “walked at a fast pace toward the team,” Taramarcaz alleged in the
document. He told her to stop and she allegedly said she wouldn’t, while
also trying to walk around Lt. Ben Halsey.*

*Taramarcaz attempted to grab Tyler at about the same time that Halsey also
tried to take hold of her. Tyler jerked way from Halsey, striking
Taramarcaz’s forearm with her left hand, causing pain, the affidavit
alleges.*

*She allegedly continued attempting to pull away from the officers, who
reported they made several attempts to calm her.*

*The affidavit alleges she continued to resist and, when told she was under
arrest, “stated something to the effect of, ‘I did not hit you that hard.’”*

*Tyler then allegedly refused to get into a patrol truck, until Sgt. Keith
Sanders began escorting her to it.*

*She was arrested on suspicion of second-degree assault, interference,
resisting arrest and accessory to a crime. Dunlap said Tyler knew that
Curry was wanted and had tried to prevent his arrest.*

*Formal charges have not been filed and again, Tyler is free on bond.*

*Dunlap did not specify what the Curry’s alleged threat to the treasurer
had been. The remarks that were construed as threatening referred to a
foreclosure, Dunlap said.*

*Curry, known in town as the “Meteorite Man,” previously told the Daily
Press he had discovered terrestrial meteorites. *

*In 2011, he sold as a meteorite a piece of iron to a Grand Junction
business and was subsequently convicted of misdemeanor theft and fraud; he
vowed to appeal and maintained his innocence. In a 2013 document, he called
his sentencing in Mesa County “illegal by all constitutional measures,
procedures, standards and statutes.”*

*Curry in 2013 also tried to generate interest in establishing a “common
law” grand jury in Montrose County.*

*Common law juries have no power; legal experts say they don’t exist today,
but Curry disagreed. *

*Grand juries in Colorado are subject to statute.*

*Curry failed to appear for sentencing, per Dunlap’s information.*

*He is to serve a year in jail in Mesa County on the case there, Dunlap
said.*

*The Grand Junction Police Department could not be reached for comment late
Thursday afternoon.*

*Authorities have known Curry’s whereabouts for some time since the failure
to appear warrant was issued; Dunlap said they acted with caution to ensure
the safety of all involved.*

*“We tried to prevent a confrontation at the house, because of previous
correspondence from him, plus the fact that we knew there was a least one
firearm in the house,” Dunlap said.*

*“We wanted to do it at the time when it was less likely that anyone,
including him, would be hurt. … Nobody got hurt, and that’s what we were
after all along.”*


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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Speaking of tired old shtick

 waaah waaah waaah.



On 11/25/14, bill kies via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> This is the same old shtick. Just another way to confuse what has to be
> learned the hard way, by educating yourself before considering the purchase
> of ANY "meteorite".
>
>
> Who or what is trustworthy? It isn't obvious. This sounds like a case that
> allows for confusion and defends chaos rather than finding fault with the
> problems that can never be solved by buying anything other than substantial
> specimens from who/whom at all? Misrepresentation will always be there
> whether intentional or not.
>
>
>  IMCA was a worthy attempt to establish integrity but in the end the IMCA
> can only control their own. There are endless swindlers in this world and
> crumb buying is an almost certain waste of money. It has and will continue
> to add pollution to meteorite collecting forever. 
> 
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[meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

This is the same old shtick. Just another way to confuse what has to be learned 
the hard way, by educating yourself before considering the purchase of ANY 
"meteorite". 


Who or what is trustworthy? It isn't obvious. This sounds like a case that 
allows for confusion and defends chaos rather than finding fault with the 
problems that can never be solved by buying anything other than substantial 
specimens from who/whom at all? Misrepresentation will always be there whether 
intentional or not.


 IMCA was a worthy attempt to establish integrity but in the end the IMCA can 
only control their own. There are endless swindlers in this world and crumb 
buying is an almost certain waste of money. It has and will continue to add 
pollution to meteorite collecting forever.  

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Good Morning Michael,

Thanks for taking the time to compose your excellent explanation.  It gives not 
only newcomers to the meteorite market, but all of us, a better appreciation of 
the perils of pairing (not to mention self-pairing). 

With best regards,
Bob V.

 

> On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:51 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via 
> Meteorite-list  wrote:
> > Hi Robert!
> 
> I am glad to have this conversation, because I think it can shed some
> light on the issues of provenance and authenticity for newcomers who
> do not yet understand how the meteorite market works.
> 
> First, I want to emphasize for motive for asking the question was not
> to show-up or start a feud of any kind with the IMCA.
> 
> My motive was defend the honest non-members of the meteorite dealing
> world who are implicated every time a statement is made that suggests
> IMCA-sourced meteorites are more reliable than non-IMCA meteorites.
> 
> In fact, I do sincerely wish the IMCA success because they are the
> only game in town when it comes policing the meteorite market - the
> market is surely better for their efforts and I would not put my past
> personal issues with them over the integrity of the market as a whole.
> So to the IMCA I say - rock on.
> 
> About authenticity :
> 
> I chose NWA 869 as an example not because it is easily self-paired,
> which it is.  You are correct in stating that the vast majority of
> instances when NWA 869 is offered, it is indeed NWA 869.  I used it as
> an example because it is probably one of the most widely-distributed
> meteorites on the market, with the possible exception of Campo del
> Cielo.  While the success rate of pairing NWA 869 stones is quite
> high, the overwhelming amount of self-pairing that goes on in regard
> to 869 is problematic in and of itself.  We all agree that
> self-pairing should not be the rule of the land, yet it happens with
> great frequency with 869.  By law of averages, there should be some
> mistakes - 869 offered as unclassified and unclassifieds offered as
> 869.  (Although technically any self-paired meteorite that is not
> analyzed in a lab is "unclassified")
> 
> Newbies may not realize how easily and accurately 869 can be
> self-paired by an experience eye.  They just see that meteorite all
> over the market and the usual newbie question will arise - how do I
> know it is a meteorite at all?  Or, how do I know it is NWA 869 and
> not something else?  Newbies who are wondering such things, might come
> to the conclusion that such a meteorite is better purchased from an
> IMCA source, when in fact, almost all sources of 869 engage in
> non-scientific self-pairing, so therefore an IMCA-sourced 869 is no
> better or no worse than a non-IMCA-sourced 869.
> 
> Well, the IMCA seller is obligated to refund the buyer's money if an
> authenticity issue arises later, right?  Maybe.  If they value their
> IMCA membership, they will refund the buyer's money with no questions
> asked.  If they don't give a hoot about their membership, they may
> resign and walk away from the IMCA without issuing a refund to the
> buyer - this has happened before.  Really, the issue of giving refunds
> is not an IMCA issue, it is the hallmark of an ethical seller,
> regardless of their affiliation with any group.
> 
> Ok, Battle Mountain was a bad example.  I did not consider the limited
> distribution and superior documentation of the fall. Let's strike that
> one and just use the example of a non-NWA fall (pick one) versus a
> fresh-appearing NWA find.  If an unethical seller offers a NWA find
> stone as a more-valuable fall, how can any person or group "guarantee
> authenticity" short of full lab analysis?  If a question arises, the
> stone will need to be microprobed.  The IMCA does not own a
> microprobe, although many members certainly have access to one at
> various institutions.
> 
> Let's say the suspect stone is microprobed and is revealed to be a
> different petrologic type than the stone was being offered as.  For
> Battle Mountain, it is an L6.  If the suspect stone is revealed to be
> an H5, then it is obviously not Battle Mountain.  Mystery solved and
> the suspect stone is not Battle Mountain.  The seller in that case is
> either a scammer or an unwitting dupe.
> 
> But, what if the microprobe reveals the suspect stone is indeed an L6.
> The problem becomes more complex.  Ratios of target minerals can be
> compared and if they are wildly-different, then the mystery is solved.
> But what if the suspect L6 has mineral ratios within the standard for
> deviation or the margin of error for the fall in question?  Then what?
> Thin-section analysis?  Or?
> 
> Guaranteeing "authenticity" opens up a very deep rabbit hole.
> 
> Perhaps a better motto would be "satisfaction guaranteed" - and even
> that can be problematic if the member in question resigns and runs
> without giving a refund.  Would the buyer be satisfied with such a
> result?
> 
> Like I said before, I 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Forgive the numerous typos in my previous post - sometimes my fingers
move fast than my brain, and I have been known to have that problem in
the past.  LOL.



On 11/23/14, Galactic Stone & Ironworks  wrote:
> Hi Robert!
>
> I am glad to have this conversation, because I think it can shed some
> light on the issues of provenance and authenticity for newcomers who
> do not yet understand how the meteorite market works.
>
> First, I want to emphasize for motive for asking the question was not
> to show-up or start a feud of any kind with the IMCA.
>
> My motive was defend the honest non-members of the meteorite dealing
> world who are implicated every time a statement is made that suggests
> IMCA-sourced meteorites are more reliable than non-IMCA meteorites.
>
> In fact, I do sincerely wish the IMCA success because they are the
> only game in town when it comes policing the meteorite market - the
> market is surely better for their efforts and I would not put my past
> personal issues with them over the integrity of the market as a whole.
> So to the IMCA I say - rock on.
>
> About authenticity :
>
> I chose NWA 869 as an example not because it is easily self-paired,
> which it is.  You are correct in stating that the vast majority of
> instances when NWA 869 is offered, it is indeed NWA 869.  I used it as
> an example because it is probably one of the most widely-distributed
> meteorites on the market, with the possible exception of Campo del
> Cielo.  While the success rate of pairing NWA 869 stones is quite
> high, the overwhelming amount of self-pairing that goes on in regard
> to 869 is problematic in and of itself.  We all agree that
> self-pairing should not be the rule of the land, yet it happens with
> great frequency with 869.  By law of averages, there should be some
> mistakes - 869 offered as unclassified and unclassifieds offered as
> 869.  (Although technically any self-paired meteorite that is not
> analyzed in a lab is "unclassified")
>
> Newbies may not realize how easily and accurately 869 can be
> self-paired by an experience eye.  They just see that meteorite all
> over the market and the usual newbie question will arise - how do I
> know it is a meteorite at all?  Or, how do I know it is NWA 869 and
> not something else?  Newbies who are wondering such things, might come
> to the conclusion that such a meteorite is better purchased from an
> IMCA source, when in fact, almost all sources of 869 engage in
> non-scientific self-pairing, so therefore an IMCA-sourced 869 is no
> better or no worse than a non-IMCA-sourced 869.
>
> Well, the IMCA seller is obligated to refund the buyer's money if an
> authenticity issue arises later, right?  Maybe.  If they value their
> IMCA membership, they will refund the buyer's money with no questions
> asked.  If they don't give a hoot about their membership, they may
> resign and walk away from the IMCA without issuing a refund to the
> buyer - this has happened before.  Really, the issue of giving refunds
> is not an IMCA issue, it is the hallmark of an ethical seller,
> regardless of their affiliation with any group.
>
> Ok, Battle Mountain was a bad example.  I did not consider the limited
> distribution and superior documentation of the fall. Let's strike that
> one and just use the example of a non-NWA fall (pick one) versus a
> fresh-appearing NWA find.  If an unethical seller offers a NWA find
> stone as a more-valuable fall, how can any person or group "guarantee
> authenticity" short of full lab analysis?  If a question arises, the
> stone will need to be microprobed.  The IMCA does not own a
> microprobe, although many members certainly have access to one at
> various institutions.
>
> Let's say the suspect stone is microprobed and is revealed to be a
> different petrologic type than the stone was being offered as.  For
> Battle Mountain, it is an L6.  If the suspect stone is revealed to be
> an H5, then it is obviously not Battle Mountain.  Mystery solved and
> the suspect stone is not Battle Mountain.  The seller in that case is
> either a scammer or an unwitting dupe.
>
> But, what if the microprobe reveals the suspect stone is indeed an L6.
> The problem becomes more complex.  Ratios of target minerals can be
> compared and if they are wildly-different, then the mystery is solved.
> But what if the suspect L6 has mineral ratios within the standard for
> deviation or the margin of error for the fall in question?  Then what?
>  Thin-section analysis?  Or?
>
> Guaranteeing "authenticity" opens up a very deep rabbit hole.
>
> Perhaps a better motto would be "satisfaction guaranteed" - and even
> that can be problematic if the member in question resigns and runs
> without giving a refund.  Would the buyer be satisfied with such a
> result?
>
> Like I said before, I think the IMCA is a good idea and serves a good
> purpose in the community.  However, they should be careful when
> issuing statements such as "authenticity guaranteed" because

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Robert!

I am glad to have this conversation, because I think it can shed some
light on the issues of provenance and authenticity for newcomers who
do not yet understand how the meteorite market works.

First, I want to emphasize for motive for asking the question was not
to show-up or start a feud of any kind with the IMCA.

My motive was defend the honest non-members of the meteorite dealing
world who are implicated every time a statement is made that suggests
IMCA-sourced meteorites are more reliable than non-IMCA meteorites.

In fact, I do sincerely wish the IMCA success because they are the
only game in town when it comes policing the meteorite market - the
market is surely better for their efforts and I would not put my past
personal issues with them over the integrity of the market as a whole.
So to the IMCA I say - rock on.

About authenticity :

I chose NWA 869 as an example not because it is easily self-paired,
which it is.  You are correct in stating that the vast majority of
instances when NWA 869 is offered, it is indeed NWA 869.  I used it as
an example because it is probably one of the most widely-distributed
meteorites on the market, with the possible exception of Campo del
Cielo.  While the success rate of pairing NWA 869 stones is quite
high, the overwhelming amount of self-pairing that goes on in regard
to 869 is problematic in and of itself.  We all agree that
self-pairing should not be the rule of the land, yet it happens with
great frequency with 869.  By law of averages, there should be some
mistakes - 869 offered as unclassified and unclassifieds offered as
869.  (Although technically any self-paired meteorite that is not
analyzed in a lab is "unclassified")

Newbies may not realize how easily and accurately 869 can be
self-paired by an experience eye.  They just see that meteorite all
over the market and the usual newbie question will arise - how do I
know it is a meteorite at all?  Or, how do I know it is NWA 869 and
not something else?  Newbies who are wondering such things, might come
to the conclusion that such a meteorite is better purchased from an
IMCA source, when in fact, almost all sources of 869 engage in
non-scientific self-pairing, so therefore an IMCA-sourced 869 is no
better or no worse than a non-IMCA-sourced 869.

Well, the IMCA seller is obligated to refund the buyer's money if an
authenticity issue arises later, right?  Maybe.  If they value their
IMCA membership, they will refund the buyer's money with no questions
asked.  If they don't give a hoot about their membership, they may
resign and walk away from the IMCA without issuing a refund to the
buyer - this has happened before.  Really, the issue of giving refunds
is not an IMCA issue, it is the hallmark of an ethical seller,
regardless of their affiliation with any group.

Ok, Battle Mountain was a bad example.  I did not consider the limited
distribution and superior documentation of the fall. Let's strike that
one and just use the example of a non-NWA fall (pick one) versus a
fresh-appearing NWA find.  If an unethical seller offers a NWA find
stone as a more-valuable fall, how can any person or group "guarantee
authenticity" short of full lab analysis?  If a question arises, the
stone will need to be microprobed.  The IMCA does not own a
microprobe, although many members certainly have access to one at
various institutions.

Let's say the suspect stone is microprobed and is revealed to be a
different petrologic type than the stone was being offered as.  For
Battle Mountain, it is an L6.  If the suspect stone is revealed to be
an H5, then it is obviously not Battle Mountain.  Mystery solved and
the suspect stone is not Battle Mountain.  The seller in that case is
either a scammer or an unwitting dupe.

But, what if the microprobe reveals the suspect stone is indeed an L6.
The problem becomes more complex.  Ratios of target minerals can be
compared and if they are wildly-different, then the mystery is solved.
But what if the suspect L6 has mineral ratios within the standard for
deviation or the margin of error for the fall in question?  Then what?
 Thin-section analysis?  Or?

Guaranteeing "authenticity" opens up a very deep rabbit hole.

Perhaps a better motto would be "satisfaction guaranteed" - and even
that can be problematic if the member in question resigns and runs
without giving a refund.  Would the buyer be satisfied with such a
result?

Like I said before, I think the IMCA is a good idea and serves a good
purpose in the community.  However, they should be careful when
issuing statements such as "authenticity guaranteed" because
determining authenticity requires extensive analysis by reputable
scientists in a lab stocked with millions of dollars worth of
high-tech equipment.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Robert Verish via Meteorite-list]

Maybe Michael's questions are rhetorical, but I haven't read any answers or 
replies.  
After all, in the past others have asked these same questions, and still never 
any satisfactory answers.  

But, allow me to answer the question of "how do you guarantee authenticity?", 
by stating the obvious:  
authenticity is established through well-documented provenance.  

Which leads me to question why chose Battle Mountain and NWA 869 to use as 
examples to prove your case.  You couldn't pick two meteorites that would be 
less supportive of the point you are trying to make.  
I'm not saying that there aren't too many NWA chondrites being self-paired to 
NWA 869 for marketing convenience, but this is one that dealers somehow have 
maintained a respectable "batting average" with their guessing.  Besides, how 
many complaints are there?  Who's expectations are not being met when they 
purchase an uncut chondrite labeled as "NWA 869"? 

Battle Mountain!  BaM is the best example of a well-documented, recent fall.  
It has the shortest chain of provenance!  It fell late 2012; it's hunted and 
recovered by collectors and dealers; it's sold by those same dealer's and 
BINGO, it's in your collection.  Any questions?  If so, don't have very far to 
go to get answers.  That's called "provenance".  
Who is "guaranteeing authenticity"?  A quick search of "Completed" eBay 
auctions shows only one meteorite dealer (Mendy) having sold a 3.9g partslice 
of BaM, where he clearly shows his source, the finder, by way of the original 
label.  That's another example of provenance.   

But just because Michael used bad examples doesn't mean that the point he is 
trying to make isn't valid.  In fact, I think the majority of us agree with him 
in principle. 
Yet, asking questions such, "How do I really know that it is Battle Mountain 
and not one of hundreds of NWA L6 look-a-likes?" is very counter-productive, to 
say the least.  Given that other customers can ask those same question, it's 
akin to pouring gasoline over oneself and then volunteering to light the 
ceremonial Burning-Man bon-fire. 
To satisfy my curiosity, I found a link to images of "hundreds of NWA L6 look 
alikes":  http://tinyurl.com/ksdmulw 
Now, compare those to these images of BaM (L6) :  http://tinyurl.com/oukblbh
 
Wow, never expected that my answer to a rhetorical question would be this long. 
Anyway, I should thank everyone for giving my this opportunity to talk once 
more about Battle Mountain. 
It has prompted me to relinquish 2 of my BaM specimens, and I've uploaded them 
onto eBay. 
If it makes everyone happy, I WON'T "guarantee authenticity"!  
But I'm still going to guarantee your satisfaction, or your money back!  
(Isn't that really the only thing that IMCA can require of their members?
;-)
Bob V.

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:


>
>
>Hi Jim and List,
>
>Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
>intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
>"shoot the messenger" syndrome again.
>
>How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to meteorites?
>
>Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
>meteorite community :
>
>If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
>really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
>L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
>member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
>that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
>scientist?
>
>I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
>acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
>sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
>offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
>classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
>869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
>it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
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>On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
>> Hello all!
>>
>> The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue
>> that???
>>   It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission,
>> Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
>> And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake
>> in perception.
>> The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably
>> should not take any credit for
>> anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.
>>
>> 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Martin Goff via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

Just wanted to post here as it concerns my post to the IMCA list. My
post was basically exactly the same as posted here to the metlist and
also on facebook etc. I had posted to all these forums and lists to
say i had recently uploaded an article on a recent outreach event that
i had attended. I had partly also done this to see which forum yielded
the most interaction, it was no surprise to me that Facebook came out
top in this respect.

This conversation seems to have spilled out onto the metlist from the
IMCA list and my post here is purely for the metlist just to explain
my motivation in my original post :-)

Cheers

Martin

On 23 November 2014 at 17:50, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via
Meteorite-list  wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> That is exactly my point.  Look, the last thing I want to do is pick a
> fight with the IMCA.  Been there, done that, don't want to do it
> again.  I buried the hatchet years ago and I wish the IMCA success in
> their endeavors.
>
> When anyone makes a statement that implies that IMCA-sourced specimens
> are a safer buy for collectors, then that is also an implied statement
> that non-IMCA specimens are less trustworthy and therefore less
> desirable.  This hurts the non-members who are honest but choose not
> to be members.
>
> Here is an analogy :
>
> The IMCA is like a fraternity for meteorite dealers. In many ways, it
> functions like a college fraternity - you have to pledge and be
> sponsored by a member. You have rules to obey to remain a member. But
> outside the confines of the fraternity house, all members are the same
> as non-members : they are all students studying the same courses
> offered by the same professors. Being a fraternity member does not
> make one's college degree any more valid than a non-member's.
>
> Best regards and Happy Huntings,
>
> MikeG
>
>
>
> On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Same goes with Sacramento Wash 005.  How many of those have been sold
>> where the dealer has no clue!
>> And they are still being sold as such!  No one freaking cares!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2014 10:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Jim and List,
>>>
>>> Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
>>> intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
>>> "shoot the messenger" syndrome again.
>>>
>>> How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to
>>> meteorites?
>>>
>>> Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
>>> meteorite community :
>>>
>>> If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
>>> really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
>>> L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
>>> member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
>>> that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
>>> scientist?
>>>
>>> I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
>>> acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
>>> sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
>>> offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
>>> classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
>>> 869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
>>> it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Jim,

That is exactly my point.  Look, the last thing I want to do is pick a
fight with the IMCA.  Been there, done that, don't want to do it
again.  I buried the hatchet years ago and I wish the IMCA success in
their endeavors.

When anyone makes a statement that implies that IMCA-sourced specimens
are a safer buy for collectors, then that is also an implied statement
that non-IMCA specimens are less trustworthy and therefore less
desirable.  This hurts the non-members who are honest but choose not
to be members.

Here is an analogy :

The IMCA is like a fraternity for meteorite dealers. In many ways, it
functions like a college fraternity - you have to pledge and be
sponsored by a member. You have rules to obey to remain a member. But
outside the confines of the fraternity house, all members are the same
as non-members : they are all students studying the same courses
offered by the same professors. Being a fraternity member does not
make one's college degree any more valid than a non-member's.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG



On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Same goes with Sacramento Wash 005.  How many of those have been sold
> where the dealer has no clue!
> And they are still being sold as such!  No one freaking cares!
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 11/23/2014 10:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
> wrote:
>> Hi Jim and List,
>>
>> Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
>> intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
>> "shoot the messenger" syndrome again.
>>
>> How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to
>> meteorites?
>>
>> Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
>> meteorite community :
>>
>> If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
>> really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
>> L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
>> member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
>> that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
>> scientist?
>>
>> I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
>> acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
>> sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
>> offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
>> classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
>> 869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
>> it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Mike,

Same goes with Sacramento Wash 005.  How many of those have been sold 
where the dealer has no clue!

And they are still being sold as such!  No one freaking cares!

Jim


On 11/23/2014 10:01 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Jim and List,

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
"shoot the messenger" syndrome again.

How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to meteorites?

Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
meteorite community :

If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
scientist?

I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?

Best regards,

MikeG



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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do NOT want to experience the old
"shoot the messenger" syndrome again.

I accidentally left out the word "NOT" in the above sentence!   LOL.



On 11/23/14, Galactic Stone & Ironworks  wrote:
> Hi Jim and List,
>
> Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
> intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
> "shoot the messenger" syndrome again.
>
> How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to meteorites?
>
> Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
> meteorite community :
>
> If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
> really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
> L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
> member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
> that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
> scientist?
>
> I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
> acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
> sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
> offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
> classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
> 869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
> it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
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> On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Hello all!
>>
>> The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue
>> that???
>>   It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission,
>> Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
>> And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake
>> in perception.
>> The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably
>> should not take any credit for
>> anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.
>>
>> Like Gary said, it's up to the individual.
>> I don't think anyone is not supportive of outreach, it's just not the
>> function of the IMCA.
>>
>> REF: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=14
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2014 8:39 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
>> wrote:
>>> Ray Watts said :
>>>
>>> "I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the
>>> I.M.C.A."
>>>
>>> Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
>>> group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
>>> the walk or get the hell out.
>>>
>>> My two cents.
>>>
>>> Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Jim and List,

Please do not take this as a knock at the IMCA, because it is not
intended that way, and I certainly do want to experience the old
"shoot the messenger" syndrome again.

How exactly does anyone "guarantee authenticity" in regards to meteorites?

Let's look at a typical example that happens on a daily basis in the
meteorite community :

If I am offered a specimen of Battle Mountain by a dealer.  How do I
really know that it is Battle Mountain and not one of hundreds of NWA
L6 look-a-likes?  Regardless of whether or not the seller is an IMCA
member, how can one guarantee authenticity of any specimen, unless
that particular specimen has been examined and analyzed by a reputable
scientist?

I do not know of any dealers who have every batch of material they
acquire tested at a lab. They use a combination of faith in their
sources and hand-examination to determine if the material should be
offered.  Sure, new unclassified material is analyzed to have it
classified and officially approved by Met Soc.  But what about NWA
869?  How many dealers have their NWA 869 analyzed prior to offering
it?  If it is untested, then how can one make any guarantees?

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 11/23/14, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Hello all!
>
> The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue
> that???
>   It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission,
> Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
> And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake
> in perception.
> The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably
> should not take any credit for
> anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.
>
> Like Gary said, it's up to the individual.
> I don't think anyone is not supportive of outreach, it's just not the
> function of the IMCA.
>
> REF: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=14
>
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 11/22/2014 8:39 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> Ray Watts said :
>>
>> "I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the
>> I.M.C.A."
>>
>> Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
>> group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
>> the walk or get the hell out.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list]

Hello all!

The IMCA has but one purpose, does it not? How can you possibly argue 
that???
 It's for collectors, dealers and sellerspretty basic mission, 
Authenticity .  Nothing wrong with that!
And any kind of outreach by the IMCA very much appears to be a mistake 
in perception.
The IMCA is not responsible for anything it's members do and probably 
should not take any credit for

anything their individual members do as it implies responsibility.

Like Gary said, it's up to the individual.
I don't think anyone is not supportive of outreach, it's just not the
function of the IMCA.

REF: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=14


Jim


On 11/22/2014 8:39 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:

Ray Watts said :

"I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the I.M.C.A."

Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
the walk or get the hell out.

My two cents.

Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.

Best regards,

MikeG




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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

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Ray Watts said :

"I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the I.M.C.A."

Whoever said that, has no business being in the IMCA or any other
group that claims to be supportive of education and outreach.  Walk
the walk or get the hell out.

My two cents.

Also, agree 110% with what Gary said.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 11/22/14, Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Aloha Ray,
> cc: IMCA, meteorite community at large
>
> Lets not lose hope or lay blame. Although Martin's email was published 18
> hours ago, it is the weekend, and most people may be out enjoying the days
> off with family and friends. That IMCA has not responded is disheartening.
>
> You have struck on something that seems prevalent in the world at large.
> Apathy. Its easy to sit back and let someone else do the good work, while
> enjoying the fruits of their efforts. This happens corporately too, and even
> in science. Many observatories have folded their outreach offices and laid
> off or reassigned their staff, and I myself have fallen under the axe of
> unemployment as my former office of Science Education and Public Outreach
> falls silent. Despite these dire circumstances, we must soldier on and do
> the good work. I joined my compatriots at CFHT and Keck a few weekends ago
> for their Solar System Walk (unattended by my former employer of course) and
> was happy to carry the torch of meteorite outreach in the Asteroid Belt
> booth.
>
> With respect to educational public outreach, its all about heart and what
> your motives are in life. Whether to take whatever you can get before moving
> on, or paying it forward in gratitude for all that has been given to you by
> others. I choose the latter because my life has been made rich and full by
> the selfless efforts of others. That through my actions, a small
> contribution can be made to the advancement of others for the purpose of
> extending the passion that we all share for our beloved interlopers from
> outer space. To show others the beauty of space rocks, and explain the body
> of knowledge they have bestowed to science in mankind's quest for truth.
>
> No, we cannot depend on others to do, whether government, industry or
> organization, what is right in the world. That has to be executed by the
> individual, driven by the desire to give back, and perpetuate what we love
> to the next generation. Peace.
>
> gary
>
>
>> On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Ray Watts via IMCA  wrote:
>>
>> Hello AllMartin has presented Us with a Awesome piece of Out reach work /
>> yet very few comments , Why ?He is doing something that not even 1/2 of
>> You will ever even try , correct Me if Im wrong .Some of You ran on the
>> Plat form that out reach is important , Ok so where is Your comments ?or
>> is this politics as usual ?I have been told in the past that out reach is
>> over reach for the I.M.C.A. ? go figure .this type of thinking belongs in
>> the 1980's not 2014 .figure this one out / if no new collectors /
>> enthusiasts or scientists Our hobby / passion will surely die with Us .so
>> they can bury our rocks with Us .I have kept quit too long , Martin Koddos
>> too You & Your efforts ! Keep up the Great & honest work !My hat goes off
>> too You & any one else that puts effort before profit !Ray Watts / Canada
>
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
> (808) 640-9161
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[Gary Fujihara via Meteorite-list]

Aloha Ray,
cc: IMCA, meteorite community at large

Lets not lose hope or lay blame. Although Martin’s email was published 18 hours 
ago, it is the weekend, and most people may be out enjoying the days off with 
family and friends. That IMCA has not responded is disheartening.

You have struck on something that seems prevalent in the world at large. 
Apathy. Its easy to sit back and let someone else do the good work, while 
enjoying the fruits of their efforts. This happens corporately too, and even in 
science. Many observatories have folded their outreach offices and laid off or 
reassigned their staff, and I myself have fallen under the axe of unemployment 
as my former office of Science Education and Public Outreach falls silent. 
Despite these dire circumstances, we must soldier on and do the good work. I 
joined my compatriots at CFHT and Keck a few weekends ago for their Solar 
System Walk (unattended by my former employer of course) and was happy to carry 
the torch of meteorite outreach in the Asteroid Belt booth. 

With respect to educational public outreach, its all about heart and what your 
motives are in life. Whether to take whatever you can get before moving on, or 
paying it forward in gratitude for all that has been given to you by others. I 
choose the latter because my life has been made rich and full by the selfless 
efforts of others. That through my actions, a small contribution can be made to 
the advancement of others for the purpose of extending the passion that we all 
share for our beloved interlopers from outer space. To show others the beauty 
of space rocks, and explain the body of knowledge they have bestowed to science 
in mankind’s quest for truth.

No, we cannot depend on others to do, whether government, industry or 
organization, what is right in the world. That has to be executed by the 
individual, driven by the desire to give back, and perpetuate what we love to 
the next generation. Peace.

gary


> On Nov 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Ray Watts via IMCA  wrote:
> 
> Hello AllMartin has presented Us with a Awesome piece of Out reach work / yet 
> very few comments , Why ?He is doing something that not even 1/2 of You will 
> ever even try , correct Me if Im wrong .Some of You ran on the Plat form that 
> out reach is important , Ok so where is Your comments ?or is this politics as 
> usual ?I have been told in the past that out reach is over reach for the 
> I.M.C.A. ? go figure .this type of thinking belongs in the 1980's not 2014 
> .figure this one out / if no new collectors / enthusiasts or scientists Our 
> hobby / passion will surely die with Us .so they can bury our rocks with Us 
> .I have kept quit too long , Martin Koddos too You & Your efforts ! Keep up 
> the Great & honest work !My hat goes off too You & any one else that puts 
> effort before profit !Ray Watts / Canada

Gary Fujihara
Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] New Book / Atlas of Meteorites

[Rick Montgomery via Meteorite-list]

Hi List.  I am surprised, and also NOt surprised at the current value of 
Richard's books.  Fortunately I have my working field-book of RFS, and I'm 
so fortunate to have a vintage hardbound with both Richard's and Dorothy's 
signatures on the shelf (Thank You Dorothy!);  yet I didn't have the 
foresight to fathom the rarity of my Cambridge Encyclopedia, although the 
pages remain pristine, I've read through sooo many times that the binding 
~might be failing in certain sections.  All and any advice to preservation 
is grandly welcome!


[confession, here by me, in front of the entire List: I keep re-reading the 
chemical formulations juxtapositioning variations of olivine vs pyroxene, 
simply because I need to!]


Summary:
No matter what the value, my possession of these two books (along with many 
othershello Drs. Grady, Dodd, Carl E. et al) will never see their 
ongoing fair-market values, and will reside permanently within grasp.  Alas, 
my right brain is better suited to retain the alternate musical chord 
substitution variations and the ongoing query of Giant Steps far better than 
petrology and geochemistry, yet these texts are dear to my heart. No doubt, 
with most of us as well!


Cheers,
Richard "Rick Bob" Montgomery

-Original Message- 
From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Graham Ensor ; Meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] New Book / Atlas of Meteorites

Hi Graham,

Wow -- I had no idea Richard's book was going for so much now. And there
is only a single, lightly used copy (with some marking/highlighting) on
eBay right now at $329.44. If someone needs a copy, I have one spare one
in excellent condition that I'd be willing to part with for considerably
less than this. I'll have to check whether there is any marking on any
of the pages, but I'm guessing there isn't.  --Rob

-Original Message-
From: IMCA [mailto:imca-boun...@mail.imca.co] On Behalf Of Graham Ensor via 
IMCA

Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:45 AM
To: Anne Black
Cc: IMCA New Mail List
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] New Book / Atlas of Meteorites

Yes Richard's Cambridge Encyclopediaseems to be around £400 at the 
moment...


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cambridge-Encyclopedia-Meteorites-Richard-Norton/dp/0521621437/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401957860&sr=8-1&keywords=cambridge+encyclopedia+of+meteorites

G
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] New Book / Atlas of Meteorites

[Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list]

Hi Graham,

Wow -- I had no idea Richard's book was going for so much now. And there
is only a single, lightly used copy (with some marking/highlighting) on
eBay right now at $329.44. If someone needs a copy, I have one spare one
in excellent condition that I'd be willing to part with for considerably
less than this. I'll have to check whether there is any marking on any
of the pages, but I'm guessing there isn't.  --Rob

-Original Message-
From: IMCA [mailto:imca-boun...@mail.imca.co] On Behalf Of Graham Ensor via IMCA
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:45 AM
To: Anne Black
Cc: IMCA New Mail List
Subject: Re: [IMCA List] New Book / Atlas of Meteorites

Yes Richard's Cambridge Encyclopediaseems to be around £400 at the moment...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cambridge-Encyclopedia-Meteorites-Richard-Norton/dp/0521621437/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401957860&sr=8-1&keywords=cambridge+encyclopedia+of+meteorites

G
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] John Lutzon

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Gary, Ray, and List,

What has happened to John?

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 5/15/13, Gary Fujihara  wrote:
> Aloha Ray,
>
> Bob contacted me and said he would pass my messages on to him. Thank you for
> keeping this list updated as to his condition.
>
> gary
>
> On May 15, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Ray Watts  wrote:
>
>> Hello all ,
>> just spoke to Johns brother Bob on the phone ,
>> John has now been transferred to a regular room & His jaw is to be un
>> wired tomorrow .
>> long road to recovery yet .
>> Ray Watts I.M.C.A. #  6289
>>
>
>
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
> (808) 640-9161
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA List] John Lutzon

[Gary Fujihara]

Aloha Ray,

Bob contacted me and said he would pass my messages on to him. Thank you for 
keeping this list updated as to his condition.

gary

On May 15, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Ray Watts  wrote:

> Hello all ,
> just spoke to Johns brother Bob on the phone ,
> John has now been transferred to a regular room & His jaw is to be un wired 
> tomorrow .
> long road to recovery yet .
> Ray Watts I.M.C.A. #  6289
> 


Gary Fujihara
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PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI  96720
(808) 640-9161
http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collection stollen !!!!

[Graham Ensor]

Looks like somebody stole the page toowhere will it all end ;-)


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 4:01 PM, rskun...@aol.com  wrote:
> I have had trouble opening your list;? the?message ?is that the page can not 
> be found.
> Perhaps it would be good to check the link and resend it?
> Thanks and best wishes for a swift recovery of your inventory.
> Richard Kunter
> IMCA 2063
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Cabassi 
> To: The Earth's Memory 
> Cc: meteorite-list ; imca 
> 
> Sent: Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [IMCA] [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite 
> Collection stollen 
>
>
>
>
> G'Day Bruno and Carine,
> This is very sad news. I took some photos in your room, some could possibly
> help with this dilemma. I will forward them off to you off list, shortly
> once I sort them out.
>
> This must be devastating.
>
> Cheers
> Johnno & Kat
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:35 PM, The Earth's Memory 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear list Members,
> >
> > it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been
> > victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show
> > and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show.
> >
> > Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited
> > that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not
> > disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell
> > you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan.
> >
> > We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the
> > criminal team to be
> > punished by the full power of the Law.
> >
> > We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges,
> > but it seems that they are not cooperating.
> > The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they
> > don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW.
> >
> > Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued:
> > 
> http://www.meteorite.fr/en/**stolen.htm;
> >
> > this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many 
> fossils
> > too.
> >
> > Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room or
> > on our web site for years,
> > please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already 
> for
> > sell somewhere.
> >
> > We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull.
> >
> > If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to 
> us
> > or Eric Twelker off list.
> >
> > Any help would be very much appreciated.
> >
> > Best from France,
> >
> > Bruno & Carine
> > La Memoire de la Terre
> > The Earth's Memory
> > France
> > www.meteorite.fr
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Conception Junction Inspection Recommendation

[Larry Atkins]

Hello Russ, List

Thanks for the heads up on Conception Junction. I'll have to call home
and have someone check on mine. I hope it's not falling apart!

Typically, I don't collect irons, meso's or pallasites because of the
high humidity that accompanies a Michigan summer. I've had bad
experience wit Admire and Campo. My Brahin endcut has experienced a 
very slow decay. Ghubarra and SaU 001 are two stones

that have shown significant signs of deterioration.

Oddly, my silicated Campo is in excellent shape, showing no oxidation. 
Has it been annealed from impact?



Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
 
IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm
 


-Original Message-
From: Russ Finney 
To: imca 
Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:08 am
Subject: [IMCA] Conception Junction Inspection Recommendation



Hello Everyone:

This week I finished my annual detailed one-by-one inspection of the
specimens
in my collection (about 2,800 total specimens). In the summer time I do
a
similar inspection, but not as detailed.

When I checked Conception Junction, which is in a sealed box with
silica beads
as a desiccant, I noticed some rust forming on the edges. I opened the
box and
found the specimen to be in pretty bad shape.

I am doing the usual recovery steps to salvage what remains, but I
wanted to
warn others to check their own Conception Junction specimens since this
rusting
really caught me by surprise, the slice had been looking stable during
the last
few visual inspections.

Other iron/pallasite specimens which required maintenance this time
were:

Brenham (several specimens are slowly turning to dust)
Carlton (minor rust)
Campo del Cielo (some bright slices showed rust)
Goose Lake (minor rust)
Muonionalusta (some rust, no surprise, needs curation)
Nantan (some rust, no surprise here either)
Pedernales (minor rust)
Morasko (minor rust)

I also had two stone meteorites which required maintenance:

Travis County (a): Monnig specimen, I was surprised that it needed
curation
Ghubara: one large cut specimen was lightly rusting - is that normal? -
my
others are fine

That was all that required attention during this specimen review.

If you have any of these you might check your own collections as well...

Looking forward to seeing everyone in Tucson!

Best Regards,

Russ Finney

http://www.meteoritecollector.org







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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

[Bob King]

Hi Bob and Merry Christmas,
I'd like a crusted 20g endpiece of Sutter's Mill.
Bob

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Bob Falls  wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
>
> Since it tis the season I would like to ask everyone a question just for some 
> holiday fun:
>
> If you could have a beautifully wrapped present this holiday season that 
> contained one very
> special specimen that you have always wanted in your collection what would it 
> be?
>
> Do not consider cost; simply what is that one piece that you have always 
> wanted for the
> collection!
>
> Looking forward to hearing from everyone about the piece on the top of the 
> wish list!!
>
> Best wishes to all!
>
> Bob Falls
> Vice-President I.M.C.A. Inc.
> Member #2413
> www.imca.cc
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

[Michael Brooks]

Nakhla meteorite. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2012, at 10:35 PM, debf...@att.net wrote:

> Bob and Listifers, I would have to say a nice fresh whole stone  (30g) of 
> Sutters Mill. Especially after reading the trails and tribulations of ET in 
> his 
> search for SM. Just drop it through the mail slot, I will place a pillow 
> under the slot to catch it.
> Merry Christmas, Fred Olsen
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Bob Falls 
> To: IMCA Mailing List 
> Sent: Tue, December 18, 2012 8:27:53 PM
> Subject: [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite
> 
> Hello Everyone!
> 
> Since it tis the season I would like to ask everyone a question just for some 
> holiday fun:
> 
> If you could have a beautifully wrapped present this holiday season that 
> contained one very
> special specimen that you have always wanted in your collection what would it 
> be?
> 
> Do not consider cost; simply what is that one piece that you have always 
> wanted 
> for the
> collection!
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from everyone about the piece on the top of the 
> wish 
> list!!
> 
> Best wishes to all!
> 
> Bob Falls
> Vice-President I.M.C.A. Inc.
> Member #2413
> www.imca.cc
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

[Mendy Ouzillou]

Fred,

That's one lump of coal we would all be happy to receive for Christmas!

Mendy

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
debf...@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:36 PM
To: Bob Falls
Cc: meteorite list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

Bob and Listifers, I would have to say a nice fresh whole stone  (30g) of
Sutters Mill. Especially after reading the trails and tribulations of ET in
his search for SM. Just drop it through the mail slot, I will place a pillow
under the slot to catch it.
Merry Christmas, Fred Olsen



- Original Message 
From: Bob Falls 
To: IMCA Mailing List 
Sent: Tue, December 18, 2012 8:27:53 PM
Subject: [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

Hello Everyone!

Since it tis the season I would like to ask everyone a question just for
some holiday fun:

If you could have a beautifully wrapped present this holiday season that
contained one very special specimen that you have always wanted in your
collection what would it be?

Do not consider cost; simply what is that one piece that you have always
wanted for the collection!

Looking forward to hearing from everyone about the piece on the top of the
wish list!!

Best wishes to all!

Bob Falls
Vice-President I.M.C.A. Inc.
Member #2413
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

[debfred]

Bob and Listifers, I would have to say a nice fresh whole stone  (30g) of 
Sutters Mill. Especially after reading the trails and tribulations of ET in his 
search for SM. Just drop it through the mail slot, I will place a pillow 
under the slot to catch it.
Merry Christmas, Fred Olsen



- Original Message 
From: Bob Falls 
To: IMCA Mailing List 
Sent: Tue, December 18, 2012 8:27:53 PM
Subject: [IMCA] Holiday Meteorite

Hello Everyone!

Since it tis the season I would like to ask everyone a question just for some 
holiday fun:

If you could have a beautifully wrapped present this holiday season that 
contained one very
special specimen that you have always wanted in your collection what would it 
be?

Do not consider cost; simply what is that one piece that you have always wanted 
for the
collection!

Looking forward to hearing from everyone about the piece on the top of the wish 
list!!

Best wishes to all!

Bob Falls
Vice-President I.M.C.A. Inc.
Member #2413
www.imca.cc
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] 2013 Membership Dues, Dues, Dues are Due

[John higgins]

I agree,
I think the complainers and blamers have some nerve and no right to suspect, 
question or demand anything of the IMCA board members.
It's a privilege to belong to the IMCA, not a right.
We need to stand together to support our elected officials and stand behind 
their actions.
I don't know of many organizations that have yearly dues of $20 compare that to 
the Meteoritical Society that charges over $100 per year.
I think we need to raise the yearly dues , the budget is so small it's a joke, 
what can we possibly achieve as a serious organization on such a little budget? 
And there are a few bad apples that call for more time and money spent on 
accounting? Ridiculous!  And then to be heckled all the way, what a shame.
I'm proud to be a member of the IMCA, and sadly this issue keeps coming up over 
and over, It's old news get over it, I don't think the members have any right 
to make demands, they should stop worrying and accusing their organization of 
negative actions and speculating.
Most of the trouble is being stirred up from past IMCA members who bowed out or 
left disgracefully. It boils down to jealousy and hatred, grow up!
Stop the negativity right here, right now.
Lets all come together and spend our time to make contributions, stop trying to 
fight and knock down what you are a part of, rather lets build the IMCA to 
become one of the greatest and eternally lasting association.
Sincerely Kindest Regards,
John Higgins
IMCA#9822




- Original Message -
From: Dick Lipke 
To: IMCA 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [IMCA] 2013 Membership Dues, Dues, Dues are Due



In my opinion the members should only become concerned when we all
find out that Maria and the "ELECTED" board have several hidden bank 
accounts around the world,including the Cayman Islands.
Then and only then should that be enough for all us to become
suspicious.

Dick ,IMCA 1155


> - Original Message -
> > Hi Maria/all,
> >
> > I know the issue of financial transparency has been raised many
> > times
> > before but i dont recall there ever being any sort of vote put out
> > to
> > the membership on this issue? I understand the issue of safeguarding
> > that info so that only members can see it and how this is linked to
> > the security issues of the website. But surely to find out if this
> > is
> > really an important issue to the majority of the members or not we
> > need to have some sort of poll? If this issue is only important to a
> > few then so be it but if for example you get more responses than for
> > the voting for board members then it would be clear that it is an
> > important issue. Surely if its something that the majority of the
> > members want to know then the board (who are indeed elected to serve
> > the members interests) need to take note. The only way that this
> > will
> > be known is to vote on the issue. For the record, i for one do feel
> > that seeing where/how the members dues are spent is important. In my
> > opinion where members request to see this and that info is not then
> > shared you risk engendering an atmosphere of mistrust and lack of
> > support amongst some of the membership.
> >
> > My opinion only of course for what its worth :-)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 6 December 2012 17:46, Maria Haas  wrote:
> > > Dear Matt and All,
> > >
> > > That certainly is your perogative but our fIscal year ends
> > > December
> > > 31st and no official financials are usually prepared until after
> > > the
> > > year closes, or quarterly but I do not routinely do quarterly
> > > reports. I do ongoing financials as the year progresses.
> > >
> > > We (most of us, anyway) agree this will be done and haven't
> > > forgotten. We still have security issues that will be addressed
> > > with
> > > the new website.
> > >
> > > Do you have a specific question I can answer?
> > >
> > > Happy holidays,
> > > Maria
> > >
> > > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 17:11:51 +
> > > Subject: Re: [IMCA] 2013 Membership Dues, Dues, Dues are Due
> > > From: smit...@gmail.com
> > > To: dragons...@msn.com; i...@imcamail.de
> > >
> > > Hi Maria,
> > > During the election you said "It would be a shame to make the main
> > > issue in this election about transparency and publishing the
> > > financials. We all agree they should be disclosed and we still
> > > cannot do that without the new website.". I refrained from
> > > bringing
> > > it up again during the election.
> > >
> > > The website appears fully functional now. If we all agree the
> > > finances should be disclosed then it does not seem unreasonable
> > > for
> > > this to happen before we send further money.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Matt.
> > > On 28 Nov 2012 20:39, "Maria Haas"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Members,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's that time of year again! Celebrations, Fiesta's, Family,
> > > Friends, Food, Dues. Yes, dues.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As you all should know by now, everyone's 2013 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth

[Michael Mulgrew]

Comets that orbit our sun are, by definition, part of our star system.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 6:36 AM,  wrote:
>
> Gary, I have a question.
> You said;
> " The escape velocity for the excavated material from asteroid impact
>  would be moving far too slowly to make it to another star system. The
>  same would be true for impacts in another star system to reach ours.
>  This would be impossible."
> What about Comets such as Haley's? Do they stay completely within our star
> system or do they travel beyond it?
> If so, couldn't they produce meteorites that land on various bodies?
> Carl
> meteoritemax
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
>  Dick Lipke  wrote:
> > I'm one of those old dogs that can't be taught "NEW" tricks.
> > I have always believed that nothing is impossible.
> > We have seen this long before 1492 A.D. Look at the pyramids of
> > Egypt. Leonardo da Vinci and all his science fiction sketches.
> >
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > > The escape velocity for the excavated material from asteroid impact
> > > would be moving far too slowly to make it to another star system. The
> > > same would be true for impacts in another star system to reach ours.
> > > This would be impossible.
> > >
> > > gary
> > >
> > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Dick Lipke 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry, but all I was trying to say is that not only in this solar
> > > > system have impacts of
> > > > meteorites thrown material into space with such force that they
> > > > become meteorites for another
> > > > planet or a planets moon in our solar system. But like wise the same
> > > > can happen in a another distant solar system.
> > > > The same for another solar system from another galaxy. Why couldn't
> > > > these end up on Earth to baffle scientists
> > > > with those mysterious elements never thought possible?
> > > > Wasn't trying to say fossils, sorry.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dick
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > >> Dick
> > > >> Lifeforms that are perserved forms replaced by rock will have the
> > > >> evidence of the rock that has replaced the original form. Martian
> > > >> minerals assembledges are not identical to those of Earth. The
> > > >> probability that a massive enough rock containing fossilized life
> > > >> forms from Earth survived a reentry through the Martian atmoshpere
> > > >> is
> > > >> low. Adding the probability that Curriosity would find one is also
> > > >> very low and even if it did, the minerals will vary from the
> > > >> minerals
> > > >> of its surrounding rock mass on Mars. The cummulative probability
> > > >> of
> > > >> Curriosity finding an Earth fosil on Mars that would not be
> > > >> identified
> > > >> as in an Earth mineral assembledge is I believe vanishingly small.
> > > >> Richard Kunter
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -Original Message-
> > > >> From: Dick Lipke 
> > > >> To: imca 
> > > >> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 7:15 am
> > > >> Subject: Re: [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That also applies to meteorites from another planet of another
> > > >> solar
> > > >> system
> > > >> in this galaxy and from a planet of another solar system from
> > > >> another
> > > >> galaxy.
> > > >>
> > > >> Dick (Richard Lipke) ,IMCA 1155
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> - Original Message -
> > > >>> Hello All,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> While the website is being repaired..
> > > >>>
> > > >>> As meteorites continue to fall onto our chunk of fortunate rock
> > > >>> and
> > > >>> are
> > > >>> scrutinized for their characteristics and the hopeful telltale
> > > >>> evidence of
> > > >>> some other life form(s) and as very large meteors/asteroids have
> > > >>> impacted
> > > >>> our surface in the past which most likely produced large amounts
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> ejector
> > > >>> which are out there heading towards some other landing spot...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What if Curiosity...while it is looking for the "building
> > > >>> blocks"
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> life on Mars, finds evidence of such life producing compounds or
> > > >>> better yet
> > > >>> photographs, say, a trilobite or ammonitehow would it be
> > > >>> determined that
> > > >>> is indeed Martian as opposed to extraterrestrial.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> One can only imagine where Our meteorites have landed.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> John Lutzon
> > > >>> IMCA# 1896
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary Fujihara
> > > Big Kahuna Meteorites
> > > PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
> > > (808) 640-9161
> > > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> > > http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth

[cdtucson]

Gary, I have a question.
You said;
" The escape velocity for the excavated material from asteroid impact
 would be moving far too slowly to make it to another star system. The
 same would be true for impacts in another star system to reach ours.
 This would be impossible."
What about Comets such as Haley's? Do they stay completely within our star 
system or do they travel beyond it? 
If so, couldn't they produce meteorites that land on various bodies?
Carl
meteoritemax
 

--
Cheers

 Dick Lipke  wrote: 
> I'm one of those old dogs that can't be taught "NEW" tricks.
> I have always believed that nothing is impossible.
> We have seen this long before 1492 A.D. Look at the pyramids of 
> Egypt. Leonardo da Vinci and all his science fiction sketches.
> 
> 
> Dick 
> 
> - Original Message -
> > The escape velocity for the excavated material from asteroid impact
> > would be moving far too slowly to make it to another star system. The
> > same would be true for impacts in another star system to reach ours.
> > This would be impossible.
> > 
> > gary
> > 
> > On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Dick Lipke 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Sorry, but all I was trying to say is that not only in this solar
> > > system have impacts of
> > > meteorites thrown material into space with such force that they
> > > become meteorites for another
> > > planet or a planets moon in our solar system. But like wise the same
> > > can happen in a another distant solar system.
> > > The same for another solar system from another galaxy. Why couldn't
> > > these end up on Earth to baffle scientists
> > > with those mysterious elements never thought possible?
> > > Wasn't trying to say fossils, sorry.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >> Dick
> > >> Lifeforms that are perserved forms replaced by rock will have the
> > >> evidence of the rock that has replaced the original form. Martian
> > >> minerals assembledges are not identical to those of Earth. The
> > >> probability that a massive enough rock containing fossilized life
> > >> forms from Earth survived a reentry through the Martian atmoshpere
> > >> is
> > >> low. Adding the probability that Curriosity would find one is also
> > >> very low and even if it did, the minerals will vary from the
> > >> minerals
> > >> of its surrounding rock mass on Mars. The cummulative probability
> > >> of
> > >> Curriosity finding an Earth fosil on Mars that would not be
> > >> identified
> > >> as in an Earth mineral assembledge is I believe vanishingly small.
> > >> Richard Kunter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Dick Lipke 
> > >> To: imca 
> > >> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 7:15 am
> > >> Subject: Re: [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That also applies to meteorites from another planet of another
> > >> solar
> > >> system
> > >> in this galaxy and from a planet of another solar system from
> > >> another
> > >> galaxy.
> > >>
> > >> Dick (Richard Lipke) ,IMCA 1155
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >>> Hello All,
> > >>>
> > >>> While the website is being repaired..
> > >>>
> > >>> As meteorites continue to fall onto our chunk of fortunate rock
> > >>> and
> > >>> are
> > >>> scrutinized for their characteristics and the hopeful telltale
> > >>> evidence of
> > >>> some other life form(s) and as very large meteors/asteroids have
> > >>> impacted
> > >>> our surface in the past which most likely produced large amounts
> > >>> of
> > >>> ejector
> > >>> which are out there heading towards some other landing spot...
> > >>>
> > >>> What if Curiosity...while it is looking for the "building
> > >>> blocks"
> > >>> of
> > >>> life on Mars, finds evidence of such life producing compounds or
> > >>> better yet
> > >>> photographs, say, a trilobite or ammonitehow would it be
> > >>> determined that
> > >>> is indeed Martian as opposed to extraterrestrial.
> > >>>
> > >>> One can only imagine where Our meteorites have landed.
> > >>>
> > >>> John Lutzon
> > >>> IMCA# 1896
> > 
> > 
> > Gary Fujihara
> > Big Kahuna Meteorites
> > PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
> > (808) 640-9161
> > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> > http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth

[Dick Lipke]

I'm one of those old dogs that can't be taught "NEW" tricks.
I have always believed that nothing is impossible.
We have seen this long before 1492 A.D. Look at the pyramids of 
Egypt. Leonardo da Vinci and all his science fiction sketches.


Dick 

- Original Message -
> The escape velocity for the excavated material from asteroid impact
> would be moving far too slowly to make it to another star system. The
> same would be true for impacts in another star system to reach ours.
> This would be impossible.
> 
> gary
> 
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Dick Lipke 
> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but all I was trying to say is that not only in this solar
> > system have impacts of
> > meteorites thrown material into space with such force that they
> > become meteorites for another
> > planet or a planets moon in our solar system. But like wise the same
> > can happen in a another distant solar system.
> > The same for another solar system from another galaxy. Why couldn't
> > these end up on Earth to baffle scientists
> > with those mysterious elements never thought possible?
> > Wasn't trying to say fossils, sorry.
> >
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> Dick
> >> Lifeforms that are perserved forms replaced by rock will have the
> >> evidence of the rock that has replaced the original form. Martian
> >> minerals assembledges are not identical to those of Earth. The
> >> probability that a massive enough rock containing fossilized life
> >> forms from Earth survived a reentry through the Martian atmoshpere
> >> is
> >> low. Adding the probability that Curriosity would find one is also
> >> very low and even if it did, the minerals will vary from the
> >> minerals
> >> of its surrounding rock mass on Mars. The cummulative probability
> >> of
> >> Curriosity finding an Earth fosil on Mars that would not be
> >> identified
> >> as in an Earth mineral assembledge is I believe vanishingly small.
> >> Richard Kunter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dick Lipke 
> >> To: imca 
> >> Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 7:15 am
> >> Subject: Re: [IMCA] Meteorites FROM Earth
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That also applies to meteorites from another planet of another
> >> solar
> >> system
> >> in this galaxy and from a planet of another solar system from
> >> another
> >> galaxy.
> >>
> >> Dick (Richard Lipke) ,IMCA 1155
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> While the website is being repaired..
> >>>
> >>> As meteorites continue to fall onto our chunk of fortunate rock
> >>> and
> >>> are
> >>> scrutinized for their characteristics and the hopeful telltale
> >>> evidence of
> >>> some other life form(s) and as very large meteors/asteroids have
> >>> impacted
> >>> our surface in the past which most likely produced large amounts
> >>> of
> >>> ejector
> >>> which are out there heading towards some other landing spot...
> >>>
> >>> What if Curiosity...while it is looking for the "building
> >>> blocks"
> >>> of
> >>> life on Mars, finds evidence of such life producing compounds or
> >>> better yet
> >>> photographs, say, a trilobite or ammonitehow would it be
> >>> determined that
> >>> is indeed Martian as opposed to extraterrestrial.
> >>>
> >>> One can only imagine where Our meteorites have landed.
> >>>
> >>> John Lutzon
> >>> IMCA# 1896
> 
> 
> Gary Fujihara
> Big Kahuna Meteorites
> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
> (808) 640-9161
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Yet another!

[John Lutzon]

Hello Davio, All,

Thanks to everyone that is keeping eyes on this subject.

Well, with so much gullibility money out there---I too have a real beauty 
for sale.

Some years ago, after receiving another great TS from Ann Black, I sent her 
this pic of a very unique inclusion in it. She suggested that it [looked 
like a pic of one of my stained gasss lamps]--yeah right...what does she 
know!!

The first $500,000 takes it.

  
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii579/JLutzon12/Strange%20Inclusion/dd6cfde1.jpg

John

- Original Message - 
From: "Davio L. Ribeca" 
To: "MET-LIST - IMCA" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: [IMCA] Yet another!



Hi All,
Yet another! E-bay seller 805skp.This may need to be checked out...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/METEORITE-NEW-FIND-SNC-LULU-7-9-GRAMS-/251134274427?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a78c4eb7b

Davio Ribeca
IMCA Member 4050

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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA Money Matters & my resignation

[Maria Haas]

Dear Michael and List,

I have too much respect for Art and this list to start or continue an argument 
so I am going to respond to this as carefully as possible. I would like to 
apologize to anyone in advance if I offend with this email. Please delete this 
email right now if you don't care to hear anymore about this. 

I would like to be perfectly clear that the Foote fundraiser had NO connection 
to the IMCA. That fundraiser was all me, with the guidance of one of the major 
donors. No funds came from the IMCA, no funds went through the IMCA, and the 
IMCA was not involved in any way.

That said and what I have explained below, these entire two paragraphs are 
ABSOLUTELY not true:

> (they also received other

> money from the IMCA and from individuals who were made aware of their

> peril by the IMCA). While expressing overwhelming and sincere gratitude to

> Those who had sent money, she told me that the IMCA treasurer had later

> contacted her and asked her to return half the money the IMCA had generated

> for them, stating only, "Other people are in need."

> 

> The timing was the worst possible as CJ had just been told by his doctors

> that Gary's life was hanging by a thread and she could loose him at any

> moment. She reports she told the IMCA treasurer that every cent had gone to

> medical costs and basic survival needs. She was then asked for a written

> accounting of how all money she received was spent. CJ told me that at that

> point her emotional state and the circumstances of life and death they were

> facing, hardly allowed for such an accounting and the conversation was

> terminated.

I asked the Footes early on how much money they needed and the three of us 
agreed that $3,200 was my goal. All totaled, well over twice that amount was 
raised and distributed to them. All but $235 of that amount was sent directly 
to their PayPal account and did not pass through my hands.

They had numerous times asked how they would ever repay my kindness and I 
always told them to help someone else someday. I am in a position to understand 
their being overwhelmed with so much help from strangers. I have been the 
recipient of so much kindness since I became disabled that I always feel I owe 
it to the universe to help everyone I can. Near the end of the fundraiser, 
another member of our community was in need of help PLUS one of the donors was 
upset with what the Foote's spent the money on (it was not medical, btw) PLUS 
there was a misunderstanding(?) about the money raised from items clearly 
donated to cover my shipping costs. I asked Gary and CJ for $2,000 to pass 
along to that next family and, well, the rest is a memory I wish I could 
forget. The Foote's were provided with a spreadsheet of each donation I knew 
about (Like I said, most of the money went to them directly). Gary was well on 
the mend when things went awry. I know this because I frequently spoke to him 
on the phone and he was writing and responding to my emails.

I know in my heart that I did the right thing getting involved but I have to 
say, my integrity was called into question and my feelings still haven't 
recovered. I conducted that next fundraiser from zero and haven't gotten 
involved in one since. Should the Foote's need any of the donation 
correspondence, PayPal receipts, their emails to me, my emails to them, any of 
the accounting, etc., I still have each and every bit of it. 

Michael Blood, your issue with that painting is with your painter. Not me, not 
Gary and CJ, not the buyer, and not the IMCA. If we were to use my calculator, 
25% of nothing is still ZERO. 

Respectfully,

Maria Haas 



> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:44:43 -0700
> From: mlbl...@cox.net
> To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; jasonu...@gmail.com; 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA Money Matters & my resignation
> 
> Hi Greg and all,
> Money issues were one of the key reasons I resigned from the IMCA,
> Though my resignation was not limited to that, do PLEASE BE SURE TO
> READ "1 Addendum"
> 
> HERE ARE THE (major) REASONS: I RESIGNED FROM THE IMCA:
> 
> 1- Though many members have repeatedly asked for a financial report from the
> IMCA, members have been told, by the board, QUOTE: What is the big deal?
> Don't you trust us? UNQUOTE
> When information like this is withheld, it is easy to lose your trust.
> 
> 1- Addendum -Shortly before the Tucson Show I was informed of actions
> which, if true, confirm and exceed  my worst misgivings about the financial
> behavior of the IMCA: I contacted Gary Foote and his wife, CJ to see if they
> had received the funds generated by the auctioning of a Jerry Armstrong
> painting. CJ told me how grateful she was for all the financial help the
> meteorite community had

Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA Money Matters & my resignation

[Greg Catterton]

Thats sad to hear Mike. I contributed to help the Footes with my donation of 
Carancas hammer items (the only ones in my collection) and really hope the full 
amount was given to them.
I am happy more are starting to go public with this info. I think it needs to 
be made known that there are problems internally at the IMCA for changes to be 
made to make the group what it could and should be.

2 years ago there was Berduc being sold from IMCA members at Tucson also. A few 
of them... Dave and I talked about it when we saw it.


I harmed and hurt a friendship with a very nice person by mentioning it to the 
IMCA, One of the few things I really regret that happened and I am very 
fortunate I was forgiven by him for it.Thank you again for your forgiveness, 
you know who you are.

 
Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


- Original Message -
From: Michael Blood 
To: Met. Greg Catterton ; jason utas 
; Meteorite List 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]  IMCA Money Matters & my resignation

Hi Greg and all,
        Money issues were one of the key reasons I resigned from the IMCA,
Though my resignation was not limited to that, do PLEASE BE SURE TO
READ "1 Addendum"

HERE ARE THE (major) REASONS: I RESIGNED FROM THE IMCA:

1- Though many members have repeatedly asked for a financial report from the
IMCA, members have been told, by the board, QUOTE: What is the big deal?
Don't you trust us? UNQUOTE
When information like this is withheld, it is easy to lose your trust.

1- Addendum -    Shortly before the Tucson Show I was informed of actions
which, if true, confirm and exceed  my worst misgivings about the financial
behavior of the IMCA: I contacted Gary Foote and his wife, CJ to see if they
had received the funds generated by the auctioning of a Jerry Armstrong
painting. CJ told me how grateful she was for all the financial help the
meteorite community had given them and that the buyer of the
Jerry Armstrong painting paid them directly (they also received other
money from the IMCA and from individuals who were made aware of their
peril by the IMCA). While expressing overwhelming and sincere gratitude to
Those who had sent money, she told me that the IMCA treasurer had later
contacted her and asked her to return half the money the IMCA had generated
for them, stating only, "Other people are in need."

The timing was the worst possible as CJ had just been told by his doctors
that Gary's life was hanging by a thread and she could loose him at any
moment. She reports she told the IMCA treasurer that every cent had gone to
medical costs and basic survival needs. She was then asked for a written
accounting of how all money she received was spent. CJ told me that at that
point her emotional state and the circumstances of life and death they were
facing, hardly allowed for such an accounting and the conversation was
terminated.

When this was happening, I was still a member. As a member, money for Gary
and his wife had been solicited by the IMCA. The request by the treasurer of
the IMCA that half that money be returned clearly constitutes a betrayal
of all who donated to that cause, not to mention the trauma to The Footes. I
certainly feel betrayed. It is hard to believe any of the members of the
IMCA who donated to this cause would find this acceptable.


2-    The IMCA has involved itself in disputes between dealers. Several
dealers have chosen to resign rather than have the IMCA used to leveraged in
their personal transactions with other dealers. This was a major factor for
me, but definitely far from the only factor in my Resigning.

3- The IMCA has recently taken it upon themselves to condemn people dealing
in meteorites from countries that prohibit exportation - in spite of the
fact that I have been told by several people I trust that one prominent
Board Member was openly offering Burduc at the Tucson Show and another had
been personally involved in exporting Burduc.

4-    When someone does resign, the remaining dealer is free to state their
position and make any accusations they please. The resigned dealer is not
even allowed to know what was said about him. (I was told by a good friend
it is against the rules to foreword any IMCA post to a non-member). I know
of several dealers who have been ejected or resigned rather than be
subjected to the hypocrisy of IMCA power brokers - and all but one were
over issues NOT having anything to do with authenticity.

5-     I recommended Michael Gilmer for membership as he is a fine, open
hearted & genuinely good guy - The IMCA refused to accept Michael Gilmer
as a member though he had done nothing wrong, stating he, QUOTE: "has
not been around long enough." Is there a defined waiting period for
acceptance? I doubt that if he was a collector and n

Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA Money Matters & my resignation

[Michael Blood]

Hi Greg and all,
Money issues were one of the key reasons I resigned from the IMCA,
Though my resignation was not limited to that, do PLEASE BE SURE TO
READ "1 Addendum"

HERE ARE THE (major) REASONS: I RESIGNED FROM THE IMCA:

1- Though many members have repeatedly asked for a financial report from the
IMCA, members have been told, by the board, QUOTE: What is the big deal?
Don't you trust us? UNQUOTE
When information like this is withheld, it is easy to lose your trust.

1- Addendum -Shortly before the Tucson Show I was informed of actions
which, if true, confirm and exceed  my worst misgivings about the financial
behavior of the IMCA: I contacted Gary Foote and his wife, CJ to see if they
had received the funds generated by the auctioning of a Jerry Armstrong
painting. CJ told me how grateful she was for all the financial help the
meteorite community had given them and that the buyer of the
Jerry Armstrong painting paid them directly (they also received other
money from the IMCA and from individuals who were made aware of their
peril by the IMCA). While expressing overwhelming and sincere gratitude to
Those who had sent money, she told me that the IMCA treasurer had later
contacted her and asked her to return half the money the IMCA had generated
for them, stating only, "Other people are in need."

The timing was the worst possible as CJ had just been told by his doctors
that Gary's life was hanging by a thread and she could loose him at any
moment. She reports she told the IMCA treasurer that every cent had gone to
medical costs and basic survival needs. She was then asked for a written
accounting of how all money she received was spent. CJ told me that at that
point her emotional state and the circumstances of life and death they were
facing, hardly allowed for such an accounting and the conversation was
terminated.

When this was happening, I was still a member. As a member, money for Gary
and his wife had been solicited by the IMCA. The request by the treasurer of
the IMCA that half that money be returned clearly constitutes a betrayal
of all who donated to that cause, not to mention the trauma to The Footes. I
certainly feel betrayed. It is hard to believe any of the members of the
IMCA who donated to this cause would find this acceptable.


2-The IMCA has involved itself in disputes between dealers. Several
dealers have chosen to resign rather than have the IMCA used to leveraged in
their personal transactions with other dealers. This was a major factor for
me, but definitely far from the only factor in my Resigning.

3- The IMCA has recently taken it upon themselves to condemn people dealing
in meteorites from countries that prohibit exportation - in spite of the
fact that I have been told by several people I trust that one prominent
Board Member was openly offering Burduc at the Tucson Show and another had
been personally involved in exporting Burduc.

4-When someone does resign, the remaining dealer is free to state their
position and make any accusations they please. The resigned dealer is not
even allowed to know what was said about him. (I was told by a good friend
it is against the rules to foreword any IMCA post to a non-member). I know
of several dealers who have been ejected or resigned rather than be
subjected to the hypocrisy of IMCA power brokers - and all but one were
over issues NOT having anything to do with authenticity.

5- I recommended Michael Gilmer for membership as he is a fine, open
hearted & genuinely good guy - The IMCA refused to accept Michael Gilmer
as a member though he had done nothing wrong, stating he, QUOTE: "has
not been around long enough." Is there a defined waiting period for
acceptance? I doubt that if he was a collector and not a dealer this would
have been the decision. I believe Board members - who act in secret, weild
Power with NO input from the membership have increasingly moved toward
A position of "competition control" regarding dealers, targeting specific
dealers with whom they have personal issues.

I will miss the camaraderie of the IMCA dinner at the Tucson show. That,
unfortunately, is just about all I ever benefited from by being a member.
Since the board apparently rules with accountability to no one, and refuses
make at least a yearly full financial disclosure to all members, I see
little point in being a part of the organization.

The IMCA was ORIGINALLY created for one specific purpose: To insure
authenticity of material being sold. Unfortunately it has become an
organization run almost exclusively by dealers and has been used against
other dealers. It has NO financial accountability whatsoever and is run by a
board that answers to NO ONE.

My wife tells me I am the most naive person she ever met. I tend to think of
myself as thinking the best of people until they prove me wrong.
Unfortunately, I believe I have been proven wrong in the case of the IMCA. I
now join Bob Haag, E. T., Mike Farmer, Blaine Reed, Matt 

[meteorite-list] IMCA Katol India meteorite - Forbidden Fruit

[Stephan Kambach]

Hallo List, Hallo IMCA members

I didn't follow the dialog, but did see the comment from Greg Catertton:
I do share his comments in some (important) parts.
How many IMCA-members from all of them are only collectores?
Question to the - not only collector group:  percentage your self/ how many
personal pure interest in the NOT profit  part(for the profit - that's the 
money value)
for meteorites you bringing up for yourself, compared to the interest in 
earning money by the meteorites?
The IMCA seems for me to present something in sense like (in comparison to) 
the magic

hood from the Alberich in treasure of the Nibelungs.

Regards, Stephan KambachGermany

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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA mail

[Anne Black]

Yes Paul, and IMCA members,
My apologies to all others.

The company who hosts the IMCA mailing list and website in Germany 
decided to move things to a different server, and something went very 
wrong. Don't ask me for details, I am no expert.

They are aware of the problem, and so are we. And working on it.

Any Doctor.. I mean: Internet/Mailman/Server expert in the house??? 
  ;-)


Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com
Vice-President of IMCA
www.IMCA.cc


-Original Message-
From: valparint 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, May 29, 2012 10:20 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA mail


My email to the IMCA list has been getting bounced for the last couple 
of weeks.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Cheers

Paul Swartz
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[meteorite-list] IMCA mail

[valparint]

My email to the IMCA list has been getting bounced for the last couple of 
weeks. Is anyone else having this problem?

Cheers

Paul Swartz
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] The End of n Era - California Fall

[Greg Hupe]

Hi GeoZay,
Thanks for the note. I am very well aware of the legalities in gold here in CA. 
I am also very well used to the hard work it will take to get to the material, 
I dig like on dog on a daily basis! ;-)

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

On May 3, 2012, at 8:43 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote:

> 
>>> I really love this place, except for  the poison oak. In fact, I have 
> already made plans to prospect for gold with two  different property owners 
> in 
> the near future... How cool is that?!  :)
> 
> Best Regards,
> Greg Hupe<<
> 
> I don't know what method you  will be using, but you can count on it not 
> being dredging. Still illegal in  california for at least a couple or three 
> more years. Panning is fun, but in  most spots where its fairly easy to 
> dig...such as in gravel bars, it will most  likely be a waste of 
> time...unless you 
> are able to dig several feet below the  gravel to bedrock or clay. Then 
> there's good potential. A dry washer might be  worthwhile if you dig in an 
> area 
> that is dry. I still got my dry wash, but its a  lot of hard work to use 
> it. Not as fun as dredging. 
> GeoZay  
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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] The End of n Era - California Fall

[GeoZay]

>>I really love this place, except for  the poison oak. In fact, I have 
already made plans to prospect for gold with two  different property owners in 
the near future... How cool is that?!  :)

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe<<

I don't know what method you  will be using, but you can count on it not 
being dredging. Still illegal in  california for at least a couple or three 
more years. Panning is fun, but in  most spots where its fairly easy to 
dig...such as in gravel bars, it will most  likely be a waste of time...unless 
you 
are able to dig several feet below the  gravel to bedrock or clay. Then 
there's good potential. A dry washer might be  worthwhile if you dig in an area 
that is dry. I still got my dry wash, but its a  lot of hard work to use 
it. Not as fun as dredging. 
GeoZay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] The End of n Era - California Fall

[Greg Hupe]

Hey All,

For me personally, and I can comfortably say for my immediate partners here, we 
are being educated about local history and current events as much as we are 
informing locals about 'meteors', 'meteorites' and this particular meteorite. 
Most all locals (99%) that I have met are more than warm and wonderful people, 
very interested in this current event in an already historical area. I have 
many photos to share later that are on my regular camera and only post to 
Facebook occasional 'meteor/meteorite'-related images from my cell phone, 
mostly the signs as I find them a fun challenge for us to communicate with the 
property owners, several of which we eventually have gained access to those no 
access sign property meant for non-locals. A little time talking and educating 
folks does wonders instead of just assuming one can just walk onto anyones land 
to do as they please. I heard of one incident on about the second dat after the 
event of two well-known hunters being 'detained' with dr
 awn guns by local police after being called by a neighbor about trespassers, 
turned out later the property owner had given them permission to hunt. I would 
hope my neighbor would do the same thing to protect my property!

I really love this place, except for the poison oak. In fact, I have already 
made plans to prospect for gold with two different property owners in the near 
future... How cool is that?! :)

Best Regards,
Greg Hupe

On May 3, 2012, at 12:05 AM, "Richard A. Kowalski"  
wrote:

> On 5/2/2012 11:07 PM, Count Deiro wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> You misunderstood my argument. I'm stating that prices will go up for no 
>> other reason than hordes of ordinary folks are looking for and finding what 
>> they have been told is a rarity "worth more than diamonds". No matter that a 
>> 10 kilo individual may be found tomorrow and the rock prove to be an H5 
>> chondrite.
> 
> Thanks for your calm reply. See below.
> 
>> 
>> And I'm saying, that our asking to hunt these now forever enlightened folk's 
>> property for what has been labeled and popularized as "treasure", will deny 
>> us access to strewn fields. Witness Greg Hupe's just posted photos from 
>> California of hand lettered signs saying "No Meteorite Hunters".
> 
> I guess I'm looking at the owner's property rights over the potential 
> scientific and financial gain. I've seen a lot of people whining about 
> private property being restricted. Its THEIR land and can do anything they 
> want with it. After the excitement goes away and the collector market settles 
> out, some reasonable professional hunter may someday be able to educate the 
> owners of the value of finding the stones in a scientific manner and search 
> their land, but seeing what circuses all falls seem to have acquired recently 
> no matter where they are in the world, is as I see it a much bigger problem 
> in many respects. I fear any way you look at things, all falls have suddenly 
> become hugely expensive. The science never realized is much more important 
> and the most valuable thing being lost now.
> 
> OTOH, I "shared" the photo of Greg Hupe with the little girl who found a 
> meteorite and sold it for her family because they needed the funds on my 
> Facebook wall. I have absolutely no doubt Greg gave her more than the 
> appropriate market price for this type of material. I have great respect for 
> Greg both as a person and as a hunter/dealer/trader.
> 
> This photo is heart-warming.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I'm not railing...I and many others knew it would happen in this day of 
>> instant communication and celebrity. It was a bit different in Nininger's 
>> era of snail mail and face to face contact. Hell...I didn't know the 
>> difference between a meteor and a meteorite three years ago. Now, with all 
>> that's available to me on line with a couple of key strokes...I'm a smart 
>> ass.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Count Deiro
>> IMCA 3536
> 
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. I misread your message and appreciate the 
> explanation. My problem with this is I have seen a lot of people complaining 
> about the owners as if they owe anyone anything. Though my space in the city 
> is small, I'm not sure I'd let anyone on my land if a fall occurred over 
> Tucson, seeing how unappreciated the access to it seems to be regarded by 
> some. I hope I do not offend those
> 
> Thanks again for providing a point of discussion that is insightful.
> 
> This event might be a teaching moment for the meteorite community and the 
> IMCA.
> 
> I recently checked the IMCA member list after neglecting it for some time and 
> was surprised to see how large it has grown.
> 
> Welcome to all the new members!
> 
> I suppose it is logical to believe that there are enough members worldwide 
> that one or more IMCA members are arriving at the scene of most reasonably 
> large or recorded falls in most places around the globe today, if not 
> immediately within a few months.
> 
> It seems that simple IMCA 

Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] End of an Era - The California fall.

[David R Childs]

Amen to that Geoff!
orC'est la Vie!

David R Childs
- Original Message - 
From: "Aerolite Business" 

To: "IMCA List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [IMCA] End of an Era - The California fall.



Dear Guido:

As a relative newcomer to the field I feel you are basing your doom- 
and-gloom prophesy on recent events only, without looking at the big  
picture. You may not be aware of the fact that -- in nearly all cases  
-- the price of meteorites has been rising *steadily* for as long as  
there has been a market for them. There are, however, exceptions: In  
1998 I saw Zagami sell for $1,700/gram; two years ago I saw it (not  
selling) for $400/gram.


In the late 1960s you could acquire a beautiful Canyon Diablo with a  
hand-painted H.H. Nininger number for dollars a pound. In the late  
1990s, the few existing wholesale dealers could barely find buyers for  
stunning sculpted Gibeons at $35/kilo. Now it's $500/kilo if you're  
very lucky, and the price has gone up incrementally every year; a  
result of supply and demand, not because of some sort of "media  
sensation." The same thing has happened with space memorabilia,  
military history artifacts, transportation memorabilia, and probably  
every other collectible of which there is a limited supply.


While I agree with you that that there are many more amateurs out in  
the field looking for the California fall -- no argument there, it's  
obvious -- how much would an example of Mighei cost you today, if you  
could find one? I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty close to  
$1,000 a gram. I wouldn't pay $1,000 for a little scrap of this new  
fall; I'd much rather have a a multi-kilo Campo del Cielo, but that's  
me. Some collectors will be ecstatically happy to pay up for a  
witnessed fall American carbonaceous chondrite, and god bless 'em.  
Every collector's passion is different.


There are more meteorite collectors today than at any time in history.  
Value is primarily determined by rarity and I am quite sure you  
appreciate how rare meteorites are. The Internet is primarily  
responsible for growth in the popularity of meteorites, as are books  
like the excellent "Rocks from Space," my television show, and the  
frequent high-profile natural history auctions by I.M. Chait,  
Heritage, and other houses. In the pre-Internet days it was extremely  
difficult to connect with other collectors; you might happen upon  
Blaine Reed's small ad in "Astronomy" magazine, or find a rock shop  
that carried a couple of modest specimens, but there was no meteorite  
community. The Internet made it possible for enthusiasts to find one  
another, and the field blossomed -- very rapidly -- between 1997 and  
the early 2000s. That was *way* before any significant media interest.


Increased awareness means more finds, and at least ten important new  
meteorites (that I know of) have come to light as a direct result of  
my TV show and other media attention. That's a good thing. New finds  
will continue to be made and new collectors will continue to come into  
the fold. Meteorite collecting is no longer a weird niche market that  
nobody has heard of.


Love it or leave it, but there's no point in grousing about it. Cool  
things become popular. That's just the way it goes.



Geoff Notkin

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.meteorites.co

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Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hello and suggestion

[Dick Lipke]

OOPS! After I hit the send button on mine yours was waiting to be opened.

Dick (Richard Lipke) ,IMCA 1155


- Original Message -
> Hi Shawn & all,
> 
> Sorry about the influx of emails into everyone's inbox today. There
> were
> emails to this list from a few individuals that had been sometimes
> disappearing into cyber space over the past month or so and it looks
> like
> they all just showed up again at the same time. We're having a look at
> what
> may have caused this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff Kuyken
> Meteorites Australia
> www.meteorites.com.au
> President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
> www.imca.cc
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: imca-boun...@imcamail.de [mailto:imca-boun...@imcamail.de] On
> Behalf
> Of Shawn Alan
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 8:11 AM
> To: 'IMCAMailing List'
> Subject: [IMCA] Hello and suggestion
> 
> Hi IMCA members
> 
> I just got 20 IMCA emails all at once today. Not sure if my email has
> been
> acting up but did anyone just get a lot of IMCA email? I did also
> notice
> that there hasn't been any post for a few weeks. Suggestion, I see we
> have a
> meteorite group on facebook would it be cool if we got an IMCA group
> for
> members only? I think it would be a great way to also communicate, but
> again, I am not sure if anyone could see what we are talking about. :)
> at
> any rate I am excited to see what this year brings and hope IMCA
> members are
> doing well.
> 
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
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