[meteorite-list] Meteorite Classification Question - Instruments

2012-01-14 Thread Carl Agee
Hi Robert,

The electron microprobe is the instrument of choice for quantitative
analyses of major elements of silicate minerals like olivine. SEM is
great for qualitative analyses, quickly to see what elements are
present - energy dispersive spectroscopy is nice technique to screen
iron meteorites unknowns for example. As I understand it the XPS is
used primarily imaging like an SEM, also chemical mapping. The ion
beam instrument is a fabulous state-of-the-art device for imaging at
very high resolution and can be used for micro- nano-milling and
manipulation. These last two are amazing research tools, but not
really what you need, right off the bat,  for basic classification
work.

You must be at a very high-powered research facility!

Carl Agee

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As I recall, there are several people on the list that actively
classify meteorites, so I'm hoping one of you will be patient with a
question that may be profoundly ignorant.
I have access, in house, to a?FEI Nova Nanolab 200 Dual-Beam Focused
Ion Beam or a?PHI VersaProbe XPS instrument, (along with SEM and TEM)
but not to a working electron microprobe or, ironically, the equipment
to make thin sections.? I am not very familiar with the XPS or ion
beam instrument.? Can I get the necessary olivine composition ratio to
achieve classification of a chondrite with the XPS probe or the ion
beam?or do I need to go somewhere?and use a proper electron
microprobe?? I would be truly grateful if any of you would take the
time to advise.
Thanks so much,
-Robert??


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Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Classification Question - Instruments

2012-01-14 Thread Mark Grossman
I may have missed part of the discussion, but isn't XPS the acronym for 
X-ray photoelectron spectroscopy?  I haven't followed the development of the 
instrument for many years, but it used to be used for surface spectroscopy. 
It would only sample the first atomic layer or so of the substrate that was 
being analyzed, and its major advantage was that it would not only tell you 
what some of the elements were on the surface, it would provide the valence 
or oxidation state of the element.  This information would tell you 
something about how the element was combined with other elements on the 
surface.  Perhaps the valence information might be helpful in identifying 
mineral species. I believe that SEM and TEM will not provide valence 
information. And yes, I believe the XPS has been provided with mapping 
capability since I used to follow the subject.


If anybody can fill me in on whether this is the XPS that is being talked 
about, and if there have been any meteorite studies using XPS, it would be 
much appreciated.


Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts


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Hi Robert,

The electron microprobe is the instrument of choice for quantitative
analyses of major elements of silicate minerals like olivine. SEM is
great for qualitative analyses, quickly to see what elements are
present - energy dispersive spectroscopy is nice technique to screen
iron meteorites unknowns for example. As I understand it the XPS is
used primarily imaging like an SEM, also chemical mapping. The ion
beam instrument is a fabulous state-of-the-art device for imaging at
very high resolution and can be used for micro- nano-milling and
manipulation. These last two are amazing research tools, but not
really what you need, right off the bat,  for basic classification
work.

You must be at a very high-powered research facility!

Carl Agee

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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:10:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Beauford robertbeauf...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Classification Question -
  Instruments
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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  1326489054.80741.yahoomail...@web111002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

As I recall, there are several people on the list that actively
classify meteorites, so I'm hoping one of you will be patient with a
question that may be profoundly ignorant.
I have access, in house, to a?FEI Nova Nanolab 200 Dual-Beam Focused
Ion Beam or a?PHI VersaProbe XPS instrument, (along with SEM and TEM)
but not to a working electron microprobe or, ironically, the equipment
to make thin sections.? I am not very familiar with the XPS or ion
beam instrument.? Can I get the necessary olivine composition ratio to
achieve classification of a chondrite with the XPS probe or the ion
beam?or do I need to go somewhere?and use a proper electron
microprobe?? I would be truly grateful if any of you would take the
time to advise.
Thanks so much,
-Robert??


--
Carl B. Agee
Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
Fax: (505) 277-3577
Email: a...@unm.edu
http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Classification Question - Instruments

2012-01-13 Thread Robert Beauford
As I recall, there are several people on the list that actively classify 
meteorites, so I'm hoping one of you will be patient with a question that may 
be profoundly ignorant.
I have access, in house, to a FEI Nova Nanolab 200 Dual-Beam Focused Ion Beam 
or a PHI VersaProbe XPS instrument, (along with SEM and TEM) but not to a 
working electron microprobe or, ironically, the equipment to make thin 
sections.  I am not very familiar with the XPS or ion beam instrument.  Can I 
get the necessary olivine composition ratio to achieve classification of a 
chondrite with the XPS probe or the ion beam or do I need to go somewhere and 
use a proper electron microprobe?  I would be truly grateful if any of you 
would take the time to advise.
Thanks so much,
-Robert  
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