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Hi Linton, Yeah, we'll have to disagree on AstroMart. I wouldn't pee on the guy that runs that place if he was on fire. I'd flush money down the toliet before spending it there. I cannot begin to count the number of times that guy has screwed over good people for minor technical violations of the rules - which are enforced in an arbitrary manner. For example, if Herb ran this List, 75% of the people on it would be permanently banned - for posting more than one ad in a week or for posting something that disagrees with Herb's politics or just because Herb woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I can't say a single nice thing about that guy. AstroMart was a great venue before Herb bought it out turned it into his personal bully pulpit - to strongarm members for donations while he poormouths how much money AM is losing, yet the guy is multimillionaire. If he is reading this, I'd like to invite him to come visit me so he can retrieve this can of Whoop Ass that he forgot. Don't be fooled by the lies, Herb still runs AM - he distanced himself from it and made it an LLC so he and his main business (Anacortes) will be insulated from the several lawsuits AM is facing from it's former members. As for the peer group - suckups. One of them breaks the rules constantly, but he stays on Herb's good side because he is a rat and a yes man. To any meteorite dealer reading this - feel free to go register at AM and start posting ads. I'd bet my last dollar that Herb will run off any meteorite dealer who shows up and tries to make a regular presence. He'll either run them off through his flaky hostile behavior, or he will run them off by strong-arming them for an unfair and unrealistic amount of their sales. And I apologize to Tony Soprano for comparing him to that dung beetle Herb. Best regards, MikeG On 3/19/10, Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net wrote: Yeah, I'll have to try some listings on Astro Auctions, Mike. There's only 3 auctions listed there though, at the moment. I have to disagree on Astromart, though. In my opinion, it's the best place on the web to buy and sell astro gear. Much safer than ebay, as either a buyer or a seller. Not the best market for meteorites, I must admit. 85,000 members, but they're mainly interested in scopes and accessories. Still, after a one-time registration fee of $12, you're able to place up to 35 ads in any 6 months period with no cost. They do have Terms of Service though, and they don't allow dealers to set up shop there, without contributing. They don't allow simultaneous listings on other sites, especially pee-bay. Having a website you sell from is a definite no-no. But it's all spelled out in the TOS. Quite reasonable for the most part, in my opinion. And no, Tony Soprano doesn't put the hammer down. There is a peer group through which violations are policed. They debate and vote on TOS infractions, and their decision is then enforced. If they notice that you're always selling the same thing... say meteorites... they might decide you're a dealer and ask you to buy ad packs. But for guys like me, who mainly buy, and only occasionally sell anything, it's great. By the way Mike, the site is now administered by Astromart LLC. Herb bowed out quite a while back. Couldn't handle the headaches any more, I guess. For anyone else, I am not affiliated with Astromart in any way, other than being a happy member/user. Linton - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walt and List, I'll check out Astro-Auctions - I'm always looking for new areas to expand the Galactic Stone empire into. I've never heard of it until now. I must have been under a rock. Just don't list anything on AstroMart - to put this nicely, the owner is like Tony Soprano and treats his members the same. Or, if you want to aggravate yourself and get bullied for an unfair cut of your sales, go ahead and try. LOL Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure
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Eric, Do an ebay search for 'coupon' and you'll get over 100,000 items. How would Joe's Meteorites 10% off coupon be different than Victoria Secret Free undies panty coupon + $10 OFF bra (auction currently on ebay with 2 minutes left to go - snipers, get ready!!) Paul Unfortunately this would not work because it seems they've thought of everything... Everything to limit the seller anyway. ...You can't refer to or promote your personal website (including links to home page web addresses that promote outside-of-eBay websites), sales outside of eBay, or other businesses... Listing an item and then being paid outside the eBay system. - Not allowed and ...We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay Regards, Eric ** What if a seller sold an option to buy instead of the item itself? For example, suppose you have a meteorite that you expect to go for $1,000. You create a nice certificate, suitable for framing, that says the winner can buy your meteorite at 10 times the price paid for the certificate. Then, you auction the certificate. You would expect the certificate to sell for about $100, which is what ebay would calculate their FVF on, so they get nine bucks. Bid increments would run from 25 cents to a dollar, which equates to 2.50 and 10.00, respectively, when the option is exercised. Of course, the buyer would get credit for the price of the certificate. Best of all, ebay is counter-screwed. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yeah, I'll have to try some listings on Astro Auctions, Mike. There's only 3 auctions listed there though, at the moment. I have to disagree on Astromart, though. In my opinion, it's the best place on the web to buy and sell astro gear. Much safer than ebay, as either a buyer or a seller. Not the best market for meteorites, I must admit. 85,000 members, but they're mainly interested in scopes and accessories. Still, after a one-time registration fee of $12, you're able to place up to 35 ads in any 6 months period with no cost. They do have Terms of Service though, and they don't allow dealers to set up shop there, without contributing. They don't allow simultaneous listings on other sites, especially pee-bay. Having a website you sell from is a definite no-no. But it's all spelled out in the TOS. Quite reasonable for the most part, in my opinion. And no, Tony Soprano doesn't put the hammer down. There is a peer group through which violations are policed. They debate and vote on TOS infractions, and their decision is then enforced. If they notice that you're always selling the same thing... say meteorites... they might decide you're a dealer and ask you to buy ad packs. But for guys like me, who mainly buy, and only occasionally sell anything, it's great. By the way Mike, the site is now administered by Astromart LLC. Herb bowed out quite a while back. Couldn't handle the headaches any more, I guess. For anyone else, I am not affiliated with Astromart in any way, other than being a happy member/user. Linton - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walt and List, I'll check out Astro-Auctions - I'm always looking for new areas to expand the Galactic Stone empire into. I've never heard of it until now. I must have been under a rock. Just don't list anything on AstroMart - to put this nicely, the owner is like Tony Soprano and treats his members the same. Or, if you want to aggravate yourself and get bullied for an unfair cut of your sales, go ahead and try. LOL Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You mean by looking here? http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvaultQQhtZ-1 I would agree, but the final value fees have increased a good amount also. You will be paying a good deal more for the final amount it sells for which is never the .99 its starts at. Unless the bid prices increase, you (any seller) will not make as much after fees then before the new prices set in. Sellers will adapt to make it work and ebay knows it because they have the market. Its a great time for buyers however. With programs like ebay bucks and bing cashback, you save 18% on buy it now items like the ones you see here http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Hope everyone has a good night. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:06 AM Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
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--- On Tue, 3/16/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg I have to agree with Greg here. I enjoy buying my meteorites at auction because there are times when I can get some screaming good deals. Often well under retail. This may not be the best thing for the dealers, because I understand their need to make a profit to be able to bring me the material I crave. I do buy much less often at retail, but I also feel that auctions reveal a little more about the true market value of certain material. I appreciate dealers who start their auctions at $0.99 because they are letting the market dictate what the material is worth, not necessarily what they even paid for it... I usually avoid anyone who starts their auctions at slightly below retail. That being said, when it comes right down to it, I'd much rather more of my money going to the dealer than to ebay in the form of multiple fees. I did a search for online auction sites and yes, ebay is by far the largest, but they aren't the only one. It seems the second largest one is ebid.com, with only about 14% of the listing as ebay. Currently ebay has 2367 listings returned when you search meteorite while ebid only has 18... A quick look at the fees on ebid makes it look like it might be more seller friendly, but with the lower amount of traffic and bidders, the lower fees might not equal to higher profits. It might be interesting to see an experiment if some dealers started places lots on another site and used their once a week ad to mention those listings and see if this might become a viable option. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Its a great time for buyers however. How true it is! Hope everyone gets the great deals they are after! - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see You mean by looking here? http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvaultQQhtZ-1 I would agree, but the final value fees have increased a good amount also. You will be paying a good deal more for the final amount it sells for which is never the .99 its starts at. Unless the bid prices increase, you (any seller) will not make as much after fees then before the new prices set in. Sellers will adapt to make it work and ebay knows it because they have the market. Its a great time for buyers however. With programs like ebay bucks and bing cashback, you save 18% on buy it now items like the ones you see here http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwanderingstarmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Hope everyone has a good night. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 2:06 AM Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Eric, List, Craigslist is a privately held company. eBay purchased a block of shares in Craigslist from an individual share- holder and got a seat on the Craigslist board. After eBay launched their own free classified service to compete with Craigslist, the Craigistas tossed them off the board by issuing enough new shares to dilute eBay's 28-odd% share to less than 25%, which does not qualify for a Board seat. This is a time honored and perfectly legal technique to squeeze one's mortal enemies out of the family. Ebay decided to sue, and the two are now entangled in a life-or-death legal struggle as Craigslist tries to jettison eBay: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222000908 After a year or so of maneuvering the suit went to trial in Dec., 2009. No decision yet. This story contains a link to the lawsuit filing itself: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/01/paidcontent/main4061009.shtml?source=RSSattr=SciTech_4061009 Wait and see. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greg (Hupe)- how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Because from a buyers point-of-view it doesn't matter where an auction starts, it matters where it ends. Besides, many auctions, including many of yours, do not start at 99 cents. -Walter - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The only reason Ebay ever bought a 25% share of the company (seat on the board) was because they wanted an edge. Keep your enemies closer.. I hope Craigslist rips them a new one! Ooh, can I say that on here? ;) Ebay is a greedy pig of a company, and it's OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain that their buying of 25% share of Craigslist was just a ploy to try to gain control over Craigslist by getting inside their biggest competition. Then when that didn't work they created their own competing free classifieds site. Now they sue Craigslist for doing what any smart business would do. I hope Craigslist whoops Ebay's collective asses! Legally of course. Too bad they can't counter sue Ebay for being greedy bastards. Craigslist is the single largest threat to Ebay because you can't fight freedom. Even Craigslist has to make money though, they do it by charging for Job Real Estate listings. Pretty good business model if you ask me. They don't allow national advertising though, which in my mind is limiting to those who own home based businesses who would like to expand and grow their Mom Pop business into something larger, which in a way drives these same home businesses to look toward Ebay for national advertising. Frankly in my opinion Ebay is stupid for not seeing that. If they could have worked it out with Craigslist instead of trying to bulldoze them, I think they could have made a great team. But alas, they have competing philosophies. Craigslist is all about freedom, and Ebay is about profit. I know somewhere there's a happy middle ground where both could have prospered, but not now. You go Craigslist! ;) Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 12:02 AM, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Eric, List, Craigslist is a privately held company. eBay purchased a block of shares in Craigslist from an individual share- holder and got a seat on the Craigslist board. After eBay launched their own free classified service to compete with Craigslist, the Craigistas tossed them off the board by issuing enough new shares to dilute eBay's 28-odd% share to less than 25%, which does not qualify for a Board seat. This is a time honored and perfectly legal technique to squeeze one's mortal enemies out of the family. Ebay decided to sue, and the two are now entangled in a life-or-death legal struggle as Craigslist tries to jettison eBay: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222000908 After a year or so of maneuvering the suit went to trial in Dec., 2009. No decision yet. This story contains a link to the lawsuit filing itself: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/01/paidcontent/main4061009.shtml?source=RSSattr=SciTech_4061009 Wait and see. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Walter, I am definitely not trying to start a Pro-eBay war here. I simply did not agree with GregC's specific comment. Everyone here knows everyone sets some auction items with a higher start price than 99 cents, I am no different (neither are you). No big deal... As Richard pointed out, it is the Buyer/Bidder who gets the chance to set their own price when something starts at 99 cents (or a penny!). Nothing evil happening here! Just eBay and different ways people wish to offer goods. Do you think I would put a $30,000.00 lunar slice on eBay at 99 cents? I may be crazy, but NOT that crazy!! So, if anyone who wishes to set their own price, starting a 99 cents or 99 dollars, bid as you wish! Nobody is forcing your bid finger down on the keyboard!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net; Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Greg (Hupe)- how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Because from a buyers point-of-view it doesn't matter where an auction starts, it matters where it ends. Besides, many auctions, including many of yours, do not start at 99 cents. -Walter - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the biggest meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll get a kickback! :) http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl and List, I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the biggest meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll get a kickback! :) http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl and List, I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hello everyone! Since were talking about e-Bay, Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop around! http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks Thank You, Have a Great Day! John Higgins Outer Space Rocks Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the biggest meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll get a kickback! :) http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl and List, I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All: I found this interesting. http://online-auction-sites.toptenreviews.com/ Greg S. Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:25:38 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite...@comcast.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hi Dirk, Temporarily, I have a few of the new NWA 6077 Brachinite images hosted @ one of my websites www.outerspacerocks.com please note: 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold. Thanks! John Higgins From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 11:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD Dear John, What are you asking for the Brachinite? Sizes? thank you. Dirk...Tokyo --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:47 PM Hello everyone! Since were talking about e-Bay, Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop around! http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks Thank You, Have a Great Day! John Higgins Outer Space Rocks Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the biggest meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to selling. If anyone reading this signs up
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hi John, That's a great looking Brachinite. Nice job on the cutting and preparation. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Dirk, Temporarily, I have a few of the new NWA 6077 Brachinite images hosted @ one of my websites www.outerspacerocks.com please note: 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold. Thanks! John Higgins From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com To: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 11:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD Dear John, What are you asking for the Brachinite? Sizes? thank you. Dirk...Tokyo --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com wrote: From: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:47 PM Hello everyone! Since were talking about e-Bay, Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop around! http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks Thank You, Have a Great Day! John Higgins Outer Space Rocks Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the biggest meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Walt and List, I'll check out Astro-Auctions - I'm always looking for new areas to expand the Galactic Stone empire into. I've never heard of it until now. I must have been under a rock. Just don't list anything on AstroMart - to put this nicely, the owner is like Tony Soprano and treats his members the same. Or, if you want to aggravate yourself and get bullied for an unfair cut of your sales, go ahead and try. LOL Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
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Hi Walter, I agree 100% with you. At least 50% of the meteorite listings on ebay come from the people on this forum. If they can put there differences and ego's aside long enough to agree on an auction site, it would be to there benefit. The ebay meteorite buyers would find the new auction site. It would only work if enough sellers agree to a new site. News travels fast in the meteorite community. Jim K Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:25:38 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into building it, they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the sites you mention are not new and there are tons of free sites out there. People have been trying to compete with Ebay for a long time. The only one who has had real success is Craigslist. They are the single largest threat to Ebay's market share. If you were to build a site that they will come to, then that site I believe must be cheaper than Ebay, offer the same or comparable traffic or in marketing terms reach, as Ebay does, and at the same time make it EASY for people to post their items for sale. There's one thing I know that will accomplish ALL of that. That's a free classifieds site, with certain categories that can be charged for just like the Craigslist model. Take it from me, it's not about building it. It's about offering something of value. All the sites you mentioned have not come anywhere close to the reach that Ebay gives, to do that you need free and easy value. Most people will have no problems paying even a small fee, but you must make it fair or people will not participate. The issue is not really price or even benefits. It's about how EASY something is to do. If any site could offer the same reach as Ebay but cheaper, it will most likely be a success. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 11:33 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get
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Eric I think you missed my point. I am not advocating building a new website to compete with ebay. I am talking about using resources that are already in place. I don't want to create a new ebay or an ebay competitor. But answer this question, if you would please. What would it hurt if a few dealers listed a few auctions, buy-it-nows, fixed price sales, etc. at these alternative sites then let met list members and IMCA members know about their auctions. Does everyone who buys meteorites use belong to this list or the IMCA? No, of course not. But I would be willing to wager a significant number do. I stated earlier that I sold kg upon kg of meteorites at astro auction. If I could do it, surely a real meteorite dealer could do it. I don't advocate building another ebay. I don't care about lamp shades, pokemon cards, flatware or women's make-up. Just put up some meteorites. See what happens. At a free site, could you lose money? -Walter - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into building it, they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the sites you mention are not new and there are tons of free sites out there. People have been trying to compete with Ebay for a long time. The only one who has had real success is Craigslist. They are the single largest threat to Ebay's market share. If you were to build a site that they will come to, then that site I believe must be cheaper than Ebay, offer the same or comparable traffic or in marketing terms reach, as Ebay does, and at the same time make it EASY for people to post their items for sale. There's one thing I know that will accomplish ALL of that. That's a free classifieds site, with certain categories that can be charged for just like the Craigslist model. Take it from me, it's not about building it. It's about offering something of value. All the sites you mentioned have not come anywhere close to the reach that Ebay gives, to do that you need free and easy value. Most people will have no problems paying even a small fee, but you must make it fair or people will not participate. The issue is not really price or even benefits. It's about how EASY something is to do. If any site could offer the same reach as Ebay but cheaper, it will most likely be a success. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 11:33 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Walter, Understood, but I was simply being more general on purpose. Where do you advertise. Not all meteorite people will flock to one particular site. With the myriad of other sites out there, to get the reach that ebay provides you'd have to list your items for sale on ALL of the remaining top 10 auction sites to get the reach ebay would give you. Your sales would suffer, and it would be a nightmare to keep organized. My point is not that I'm saying build another ebay, I'm saying build something better. That would be a phenomenal achievement, but it would be worth the money to do in my opinion. Ebay is ripe for an international competitor. I'm saying that because Craigslist, though it is international, you're only allowed to advertise your items for sale locally. Imagine if there were a site where local listings were free, but only charged a small fee for regional, national, and international advertising. I guess that skirts the philosophy of a free site somewhat though, but not everyone needs to advertise worldwide. You also have to deal with abusers who post illegal offensive ads too. How do you manage that? I know what you're saying, you want to use what's already there, but I believe if what is there now could work then it would have worked already. ;) You asked me ...At a free site, could you lose money? ... I don't think so, I have a model and have run the numbers and it should work well, and it will even turn a respectable profit while still offering FREE advertising to sellers. A win/win in my opinion. Look, I'm not saying not to use what's there now, ebid.com and many other auction sites are out there. I've never used Astro-Auctions but they look cool for a specialized site. There's really a whole lot of competition out there in the auction website market. Everyone wanted to be the next Ebay until they actually started an auction site and saw how much a of pain in the rear it is to run one. When you realize that, you specialize or make it free. You would actually be able to run a successful site AND keep it free by offering free LOCAL listings, supplemented by advertising revenue i.e. small fees on certain categories and regional, national, and international listings. This is why Craigslist works so well. It's simple and free. KISS! This is what makes Ebay scared! My site www.spacifieds.com was a test that worked fairly well. It was a trial run of sorts and garnered a lot of interest in a short time. It became a top 10 website in it's category in less than 2 months, but even at that people didn't use it much because the reach was nothing comparable to ebay. Even ALL the top 10 auction websites combined don't equal to the traffic ebay gets. In my opinion this is a perfect time for there to be a competitor arrive for ebay... Craigslist probably won't do it because of their philosophy. But there is room for another big site, one that combines the best of both worlds. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 2:38 PM, Walter Branch wrote: Eric I think you missed my point. I am not advocating building a new website to compete with ebay. I am talking about using resources that are already in place. I don't want to create a new ebay or an ebay competitor. But answer this question, if you would please. What would it hurt if a few dealers listed a few auctions, buy-it-nows, fixed price sales, etc. at these alternative sites then let met list members and IMCA members know about their auctions. Does everyone who buys meteorites use belong to this list or the IMCA? No, of course not. But I would be willing to wager a significant number do. I stated earlier that I sold kg upon kg of meteorites at astro auction. If I could do it, surely a real meteorite dealer could do it. I don't advocate building another ebay. I don't care about lamp shades, pokemon cards, flatware or women's make-up. Just put up some meteorites. See what happens. At a free site, could you lose money? -Walter - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into building it, they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around
What if a seller sold an option to buy instead of the item itself? For example, suppose you have a meteorite that you expect to go for $1,000. You create a nice certificate, suitable for framing, that says the winner can buy your meteorite at 10 times the price paid for the certificate. Then, you auction the certificate. You would expect the certificate to sell for about $100, which is what ebay would calculate their FVF on, so they get nine bucks. Bid increments would run from 25 cents to a dollar, which equates to 2.50 and 10.00, respectively, when the option is exercised. Of course, the buyer would get credit for the price of the certificate. Best of all, ebay is counter-screwed. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Unfortunately this would not work because it seems they've thought of everything... Everything to limit the seller anyway. ...You can’t refer to or promote your personal website (including links to home page web addresses that promote outside-of-eBay websites), sales outside of eBay, or other businesses... http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-circumventing.html Listing an item and then being paid outside the eBay system. - Not allowed and ...We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html Sorry... Good idea though... Tell ebay to go get #...@#! Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 4:35 PM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: What if a seller sold an option to buy instead of the item itself? For example, suppose you have a meteorite that you expect to go for $1,000. You create a nice certificate, suitable for framing, that says the winner can buy your meteorite at 10 times the price paid for the certificate. Then, you auction the certificate. You would expect the certificate to sell for about $100, which is what ebay would calculate their FVF on, so they get nine bucks. Bid increments would run from 25 cents to a dollar, which equates to 2.50 and 10.00, respectively, when the option is exercised. Of course, the buyer would get credit for the price of the certificate. Best of all, ebay is counter-screwed. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Carl and List, I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Good question Richard, Enquiring minds want to know! No kidding, I would love to find an alternative. Tom In a message dated 3/16/2010 11:24:25 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
