Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and Such Hammer Fall is very often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree. However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core sample taken from it. His records showed it did NOT come from the Smithsonian's specimen but rather the museum that held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams total and was sold to the market back in 1999. The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. Personally I would think they should have a very
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
I agree, a 'fall' cannot be a hammer, only a single stone can be, so it should always be a 'hammer stone' - GregS -Original Message- From: Meteorite-Hunting.com Sent: 15 May 2012 18:15:20 GMT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...) Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing Such and Such Hammer Fall is very often misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that it is from that specimen. I would think the F.T.C. would agree. However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few grams
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Of course, who wants to pay extra for one of thousands of Forest City stones because one might have hit something? When you offer me such a thing, it had better be documented to be from the one which went through the roof! Otherwise it is just another piece. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On May 15, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: I agree, a 'fall' cannot be a hammer, only a single stone can be, so it should always be a 'hammer stone' - GregS -Original Message- From: Meteorite-Hunting.com Sent: 15 May 2012 18:15:20 GMT To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...) Let's cut through the semantics. No amount of semantics will change the fact that the phrase Hammer Fall is confusing and misleading. The nomenclature is simple. Hammer = Correct Hammer Fall = Misleading, confusing, and an incorrect use of the term. It's really not that complicated. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:05 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: I am going to say my words and leave it at that on this Hammer Fall Stone Fall Hammer man made hitting meteorite definition As for the Hammer Stone Fall phase, I guess I did morph it by accident from Michael Bloods phase which is Hammer Fall, for some reason I thought he used Hammer Stone Fall but I checked and its worded as Hammer Fall when a stone from the fall hits a man made object. The Sutter's Mill meteorite fall is a Hammer Fall because one of the stones from that fall hit a man made object. That stone that hit the man made object is called a Hammer Stone, and I can see the confusion and thats why I changed it to Hammer Fall. So by Michael's definition when a meteorite hits a man made object that meteorite fall is a METEORITE HAMMER FALL. Documented Hammer Falls Sylacauge Barbotan L Aigle Weston Park Forest Paltusk Barwell and now Sutter's Mill From Micheal's website 1). Hammer - any individual which is part of a hammer fall in which one or more of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or human. Most of us hammer heads, however, will collect what is available from any hammer fall, though, of course, hammer stones, themselves, will be most valued. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! eric at meteoritesusa.com eric at meteoritesusa.com Mon May 14 13:46:01 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! * Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi All, The use of the word Hammer when referencing/advertising meteorites, should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact (man made object). Using the word Hammer or Hammer Fall in advertisements to sell stones that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not understanding the difference between the terms hammer stone and hammer fall. An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words Hammer Fall in advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period. Regards, Eric On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote: Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges. There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and that's what he's counting on! Anita - Original Message From: meteorhntr at aol.commeteorhntr at aol.com To: Michael Farmermike at meteoriteguy.com; meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alanphotophlow at yahoo.com Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelistmeteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell more meteorites ending on eBay soon! Mike and all, I agree with you the marketing
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
With all this fuss I'm surprised nobody offered to buy that garage door and take it off it's hinges and cut it up into pieces. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
Sales of all hammered garage doors are hereby suspended until further notice! -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 5/15/12, Howard Wu freewu2...@yahoo.com wrote: With all this fuss I'm surprised nobody offered to buy that garage door and take it off it's hinges and cut it up into pieces. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
