Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
In a message dated 1/14/2007 4:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection. Gary, I first heard of the Northbranch from the farmer who found it, and who swore it was a fresh fall, because it was up at the surface of his field one year and it had not been there the year before. He said a magnet stuck to it, so I dropped everything and drove up to look at it. When I got there, it was so weathered and ugly that I really did not think it was a meteorite. It was not until I returned home with a fragment that I put on the grinding wheel before I saw some metal flake and realized that it was indeed a meteorite. I went back up the next day and bought it, then promptly moved it on to Blaine. I think there used to be a photo in a Meteorite Kids section on one of the sites with my daughter Lauren with the Northbranch in the front yard. I am not sure the photo is even online any more. Anyway, it is nice to hear someone say excellent, unbelievable, proud and fine all in the same description with Northbranch. I would have to say that is a first! As I have said before Are there any *ugly* meteorites? Does anyone have an ugly grand child? Well, some are just more beautiful than others. Enjoy the specimen Gary, Ex Astra, Steve Arnold 001 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Hi Steve, As I have said before Are there any *ugly* meteorites? Have you ever seen Gretna? -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5 In a message dated 1/14/2007 4:29:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection. Gary, I first heard of the Northbranch from the farmer who found it, and who swore it was a fresh fall, because it was up at the surface of his field one year and it had not been there the year before. He said a magnet stuck to it, so I dropped everything and drove up to look at it. When I got there, it was so weathered and ugly that I really did not think it was a meteorite. It was not until I returned home with a fragment that I put on the grinding wheel before I saw some metal flake and realized that it was indeed a meteorite. I went back up the next day and bought it, then promptly moved it on to Blaine. I think there used to be a photo in a Meteorite Kids section on one of the sites with my daughter Lauren with the Northbranch in the front yard. I am not sure the photo is even online any more. Anyway, it is nice to hear someone say excellent, unbelievable, proud and fine all in the same description with Northbranch. I would have to say that is a first! As I have said before Are there any *ugly* meteorites? Does anyone have an ugly grand child? Well, some are just more beautiful than others. Enjoy the specimen Gary, Ex Astra, Steve Arnold 001 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Hi Bernd and List, = Anyway, it is nice to hear someone say excellent, unbelievable, = proud and fine all in the same description with Northbranch. = Are there any *ugly* meteorites? There are ugly meteorites! In fact, last Halloween I offered and sold The World's Ugliest Halloween Meteorite. It went for an excellent price to a new proud owner. It was a fine mix of unbelievable Orange and Black colors and many broken fragments. It was truly ugly, but I am still proud to have discovered it with a batch of other chondrites. It is said the ugly is only skin deep, but I believe that one was ugly all the way through ;-) Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5 Words that speak for themselves!!! = Anyway, it is nice to hear someone say excellent, unbelievable, = proud and fine all in the same description with Northbranch. = Are there any *ugly* meteorites? One JPEG attached of my 23-gram slice from Michael Farmer for Steve and Gary. It is not *ugly* at all but proudly displays its chondrules and melt veins when viewed under the microscope. Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Very nice Mark. Curiously my specimen is quite black within, but does show heavy weathering on the two outer edges of surface. Perhaps the dark black nature of my specimen is due to its small size and was cut from an area of deep black matrix. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 23:24, MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello Gary, All, When I started collecting meteorites, Northbranch was one of the lowest costing chondrites on the market. It was even less then the at the new (classified) NWA meteorites. Every show I seemed to bring a large slice home. I have since sold 2-3 kg. of the meteorite and currently about 2 kg. is in Kansas Meteorite Society collections. When Gary started this thread I was suprized to not see a gallery page for the meteorite on my website. I just added one and included a couple large matrix images that show the weathering cracks and shock veins well. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnorthbranch.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Gary proudly writes: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Hello Gary and List, Sincere congrats on your new partslice of Northbranch. Here is what Michael Farmer wrote about it many years ago - Mar 1998 to be exact - when I bought a 23-gram partslice from him: This is a very old meteorite. It has weathered extensively on the outside but the interior is still very nice. It has lots of small metal flakes in a dark matrix with nice chondrules still visible and many very distinct shock veins. My unpolished side shows chondrules and matrix much better than the polished side. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Thank you Bernd, I have not seen shock veins fill with metal before and don't know if such is a possibility. There are many other, finer threads of metal showing also in this specimen. More shock veins do you think? What mechanism would/could cause such an effect? Best, Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 22:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very old meteorite. It has weathered extensively on the outside but the interior is still very nice. It has lots of small metal flakes in a dark matrix with nice chondrules still visible and many very distinct shock veins. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
On the specimens I have/had, the Fe-Ox wind or snake through the piece. I never saw one actual Fe-Ni vein in any piece of Northbranch. I am not saying there are none, but yours look like Fe-Ox. The Fe in the meteorite has oxidized to form hematite, so the hematite is not primary. Shock veins are typically straight to curvilinear; look at Etter TX. It has the best Fe shock veins I have ever seen...or does Portales Valley? :) Have fun looking, cool stuff! Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Looking at the photo, you can see the oxide looks more like pencil lead and the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes look like chrome. There is some fresh metal along the margins of the oxide vein, however. There is alos alot of oxide rimming the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes. Again you can see the color differences. Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Thank you Matt, I am now looking at specimens of both online and, of what I have seen, Portales Valley is very spectacular. This is the pic that caught my eye in the Monnig Museum; http://monnigmuseum.tcu.edu/media/hi-res-downloads/meteorite-portales-valley.jpg It shows shock veins and spectacular metal inclusions. I assume [there is that word again] that the metal is FeNi. The shock veins look empty of metal inclusions in this specimen. The Etter I have seen so far shows something like dotted lines of either FeNi or FeOx - I'm way out of my league here so can't say which. I'm off to see more samples of Northbranch for comparison online now... Ever learning I Remain, Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:47, Matt Morgan wrote: On the specimens I have/had, the Fe-Ox wind or snake through the piece. I never saw one actual Fe-Ni vein in any piece of Northbranch. I am not saying there are none, but yours look like Fe-Ox. The Fe in the meteorite has oxidized to form hematite, so the hematite is not primary. Shock veins are typically straight to curvilinear; look at Etter TX. It has the best Fe shock veins I have ever seen...or does Portales Valley? :) Have fun looking, cool stuff! Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
I see that now. Looking very closely it seems as though the central length of the vein is shinier than that at the ends. Perhaps less oxidation there? It doesn't seem to show such in the picture I have online - only under a loupe... Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:53, Matt Morgan wrote: Looking at the photo, you can see the oxide looks more like pencil lead and the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes look like chrome. There is some fresh metal along the margins of the oxide vein, however. There is alos alot of oxide rimming the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes. Again you can see the color differences. Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Very interesting. I did not know that altered/oxidized metals would flow like that. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 16:11, Matt Morgan wrote: The meteorite was cracked and then terrestrial weathering altered the Fe. The Fe-Ox can then flow along fractures and open spaces. You are probably seeing fresm metal flakes in the oxide vein. m Gary K. Foote wrote: I see that now. Looking very closely it seems as though the central length of the vein is shinier than that at the ends. Perhaps less oxidation there? It doesn't seem to show such in the picture I have online - only under a loupe... Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:53, Matt Morgan wrote: Looking at the photo, you can see the oxide looks more like pencil lead and the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes look like chrome. There is some fresh metal along the margins of the oxide vein, however. There is alos alot of oxide rimming the unaltered Fe-Ni flakes. Again you can see the color differences. Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: Hi Matt, My best view of the veins is by photography, which is not my best talent, but the 'shine' of the veins match the 'shine' of the FeNi flecks, so I am making the assumption they are of the same minerology. I know - when I assume I make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me'. LOL I will have to look into this further to be sure. Did you see the closeup picture at; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/northbranch4-2b.jpg It does not show it, but just now I put on my strongest glasses and used a loupe to look closer. The vein does cross the edge of the partslice and on the opposite side looks more like a shock vein, not being filled full with the 'shiny stuff'. Would FeNi flow into a shock vein during the higher temp stage of atmospheric entry? Would hematite? I don't know how to explain this as I am relatively new to observing details of slices and am only stating what I see. Any enlightenment would be very welcome. Gary On 14 Jan 2007 at 15:26, Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Gary: Are you certain those are Fe-Ni veins? I had a good chunk of NB and the only veins were Fe-Oxides, in particular, hematite. NB is a pretty weathered H5; I remeber it was coated with a several-mm-thick rind of shale and a good amount of caliche. Blaine Reed had/has the main mass, and it was HUGE... Best, Matt Gary K. Foote wrote: I've just received an excellent small part slice of Northbranch from the Hupe' Collection. It displays some unbelievable veins of FeNi, one of which crosses the whole specimen. I'm proud to have added this fine Northbranch to my collection; http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/northbranch.html Gary http://www.meteorite-dealers.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Northbranch H5
Hello Gary, All, When I started collecting meteorites, Northbranch was one of the lowest costing chondrites on the market. It was even less then the at the new (classified) NWA meteorites. Every show I seemed to bring a large slice home. I have since sold 2-3 kg. of the meteorite and currently about 2 kg. is in Kansas Meteorite Society collections. When Gary started this thread I was suprized to not see a gallery page for the meteorite on my website. I just added one and included a couple large matrix images that show the weathering cracks and shock veins well. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colnorthbranch.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
