Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
Dr. Grossman wrote: The odds may not be as astronomical as you think. I estimate that the probability that 3 out of 6 random people were born in the same month is just over 10%. jeff Jeff, That's uncommonly good intuition. Reminds me of this discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg37371.htm l ODDS of exactly three of six being in one month, and the other 3 in two or more other months not July: =12*COMBIN(6,3)*PERMUT(11,3)/12^6 = 7.96% (with 90% confidence for me that it's right...) But if we look at two weeks' interval where the falls fit (12 or 13 days actually), instead of one month, it becomes, = 2.32%, though that's not entirely fair because we are manipulating the beginning and ending date a little to suit us so it has higher likelihood of spanning two intervals than picking the month. So I think the practical answer can be argued somewhere in between the two. Then again maybe not. These number pairings and triplettings are headaches. So mathematical scribblings are not warranted :-) 5% may be low probability, but, even Eva Longoria has to have a boyfriend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Parker Best wishes, Doug P.D. I used to think my birthday was more special because more Full Moons occurred on it than any other day of the year. Unfortunately for me, it was because I started measuring from my date of birth, a full Moon, and extended it to the present. So once I went a Full Moon earlier and redid the calculation. And no longer was my birthday #1...So much for picking intervals of convenience... P.D.D. I used to believe in doing statistics on fall dates (bugging Marco, etc.) until I realized - if there is no meteor shower accompanying the falls ... why on Earth would only big rocks be there and falling. Any collision is bound to make may many more particles of sand, especially for such a friable meteorite that has been described - and as Mike's narrative and photo illustrate the pulverization just where it smashed against a little cement at a snail's pace. 80 grams of powder makes many, many, little meteors. So until we have the July 12 radiant...I'm personally not a believer. (Is 5 km/sec [=11,200 mph] the average assumed collision speed in space) Alpha Cygnids Jul11-Jul30 peak=Jul 18 ZHR=2 South Delta Aquarids Jul12-Aug19 peak=Jul 28 ZHR=20 At 02:41 PM 8/30/2006, Michael Farmer wrote: That is amazing though, how with only 6 witnessed falls in the last 200 years of CO3 meteorites, 50% of them are in July! Those are some astronomical odds! Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.htmlFresh 'Moss'... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
Hi all - A little blue sky here - I hope this makes sense - Because of the difference in fragmentation of asteroids and comets, any regular annual pattern of C falls would argue for a cometary source. But even a comet debris stream in an ellipse will have bulges in it (years) when C meteorite recovery (and possibly C meteors) should be best. (Is anoyne doing spectral work on meteors?) Meteorites with asteroid source have been assumed to be random. But there may be two source debris streams which are non-random: First, debris from the disintegration of an asteroid which ended up on an Earth insecting orbit and has either impacted or will impact. Second, debris thrown out and sent Earthward by impacts between asteroids. But to even start analysis you'd need a substantial number of observed falls - how many recovered falls are there entire? good hunting - Ed --- MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Grossman wrote: The odds may not be as astronomical as you think. I estimate that the probability that 3 out of 6 random people were born in the same month is just over 10%. jeff Jeff, That's uncommonly good intuition. Reminds me of this discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg37371.htm l ODDS of exactly three of six being in one month, and the other 3 in two or more other months not July: =12*COMBIN(6,3)*PERMUT(11,3)/12^6 = 7.96% (with 90% confidence for me that it's right...) But if we look at two weeks' interval where the falls fit (12 or 13 days actually), instead of one month, it becomes, = 2.32%, though that's not entirely fair because we are manipulating the beginning and ending date a little to suit us so it has higher likelihood of spanning two intervals than picking the month. So I think the practical answer can be argued somewhere in between the two. Then again maybe not. These number pairings and triplettings are headaches. So mathematical scribblings are not warranted :-) 5% may be low probability, but, even Eva Longoria has to have a boyfriend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Parker Best wishes, Doug P.D. I used to think my birthday was more special because more Full Moons occurred on it than any other day of the year. Unfortunately for me, it was because I started measuring from my date of birth, a full Moon, and extended it to the present. So once I went a Full Moon earlier and redid the calculation. And no longer was my birthday #1...So much for picking intervals of convenience... P.D.D. I used to believe in doing statistics on fall dates (bugging Marco, etc.) until I realized - if there is no meteor shower accompanying the falls ... why on Earth would only big rocks be there and falling. Any collision is bound to make may many more particles of sand, especially for such a friable meteorite that has been described - and as Mike's narrative and photo illustrate the pulverization just where it smashed against a little cement at a snail's pace. 80 grams of powder makes many, many, little meteors. So until we have the July 12 radiant...I'm personally not a believer. (Is 5 km/sec [=11,200 mph] the average assumed collision speed in space) Alpha Cygnids Jul11-Jul30 peak=Jul 18 ZHR=2 South Delta Aquarids Jul12-Aug19 peak=Jul 28 ZHR=20 At 02:41 PM 8/30/2006, Michael Farmer wrote: That is amazing though, how with only 6 witnessed falls in the last 200 years of CO3 meteorites, 50% of them are in July! Those are some astronomical odds! Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.htmlFresh 'Moss
RE: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
That is amazing though, how with only 6 witnessed falls in the last 200 years of CO3 meteorites, 50% of them are in July! Those are some astronomical odds! Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.htmlFresh 'Moss'... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:02:29 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: years classified so quickly. Specimens have been distributed to scientists all over the country for analysis so I expect many papers on this fall to be written in the near future. Thanks for the update, and thanks for getting those samples distributed around the country-- which apparently wouldn't have happened if some of the Norweigan reasearchers had their way. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Congratulations to our two listmenbers, Mike Farmer for his difficult part and now especially to Dr. Grossman for his academic toils in a teamwork combination that earns my respect. Mike, thanks for making the provisional info available sooner rather than later for everyone concerned, too. Best wishes, Doug I want to thank Dr. Grossman for working so hard to get the first carbonaceous chondrite fall in many years classified so quickly. Specimens have been distributed to scientists all over the country for analysis so I expect many papers on this fall to be written in the near future. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.htmlFresh 'Moss'... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff But when you look at the other CO3 falls it becomes a bit obvious: Warrenton , Fall 3rd January 1877, 07:15h Felix, Fall 15th May 1900, 11:30h Kainsaz, Fall 13th September 1937, 14:15h Apparently spread out through the year quite randomly. At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance, Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html Fresh 'Moss' __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks Bernd, I'm one of those who were wondering! Kind regards Fred - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification Jeff Grossman kindly wrote to Mike Farmer: Petrologically, Moss is a CO3. It contains chondrules, CAIs, AOIs, and metal/sulfide grains in the appropriate size range ... The distribution of chondrule types is typical for a CO3. Just in case list members have been asking themselves what AOIs are. If I am not mistaken this is an acronym for: A-moeboid O-livine I-nclusion .. not sure though! Carbonaceously, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi all - Dammit! The only way that you would have an annual fall would be if a debris stream intersected the Earth at the same time each year. This is highly unlikely. What these people (I can't do it myself any longer) need to be looking for is regular intervals, and multiples of those intervals, between falls. Then they could establish a debris stream's orbit. If a debris stream intersection period could be established, then one could stay up on the appropriate nights, watch for bolides, triangulate, and voila, meteorites on demand so to speak. good hunting, Ed --- Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff But when you look at the other CO3 falls it becomes a bit obvious: Warrenton , Fall 3rd January 1877, 07:15h Felix, Fall 15th May 1900, 11:30h Kainsaz, Fall 13th September 1937, 14:15h Apparently spread out through the year quite randomly. At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance, Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html Fresh 'Moss' __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
The odds may not be as astronomical as you think. I estimate that the probability that 3 out of 6 random people were born in the same month is just over 10%. jeff At 02:41 PM 8/30/2006, Michael Farmer wrote: That is amazing though, how with only 6 witnessed falls in the last 200 years of CO3 meteorites, 50% of them are in July! Those are some astronomical odds! Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.htmlFresh 'Moss'... __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification
Hi Ed: That is almost as hard to believe as meteor showers (debris from a comet) occurring on the same day each year! Actually, probably does not have to be every year, just every few years. If these come from the breakup of a near Earth asteroid, the debris would probably spread out from the asteroid in a manner similar to a comet tail. Larry Quoting E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all - Dammit! The only way that you would have an annual fall would be if a debris stream intersected the Earth at the same time each year. This is highly unlikely. What these people (I can't do it myself any longer) need to be looking for is regular intervals, and multiples of those intervals, between falls. Then they could establish a debris stream's orbit. If a debris stream intersection period could be established, then one could stay up on the appropriate nights, watch for bolides, triangulate, and voila, meteorites on demand so to speak. good hunting, Ed --- Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart. jeff But when you look at the other CO3 falls it becomes a bit obvious: Warrenton , Fall 3rd January 1877, 07:15h Felix, Fall 15th May 1900, 11:30h Kainsaz, Fall 13th September 1937, 14:15h Apparently spread out through the year quite randomly. At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote: Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall. Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he sent me the following information a little while ago. . Avg Fa PMD Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70 Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70 Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68 Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63 Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21 Moss 19.9 65 This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance, Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here: Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868 Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006 Lance, Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872 From The Catalogue (2000). Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here. Any info on the trajectory at those falls? although I don't think that difference is significant. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html Fresh 'Moss' __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
