[uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Jeremy Keith
This is another response to the WaSP post about screen reader issues with the abbr pattern: http://www.webstandards.org/2007/04/27/haccessibility/ As I pointed out in a comment on the post, their example uses the condensed form of the datetime, e.g.: title=20070312T17 This currently

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
Hi Jeremy, On Apr 27, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Jeremy Keith wrote: However, the datetime can also be written with dashes and colons like this: title=2007-03-12T17:00:00 http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern Would everyone agree that, for the sake of screen reader users, we should

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/27/07 10:47 AM, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeremy, On Apr 27, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Jeremy Keith wrote: However, the datetime can also be written with dashes and colons like this: title=2007-03-12T17:00:00 http://microformats.org/wiki/datetime-design-pattern

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread David Mead
Hi Jeremy, Putting hyphens/dashes in between the integers sounds like a good idea to me. I do that for most file names that need a date, so personally I'm on board. I'd be really interested in seeing if this does have an impact on the screen readers output at some point. It's definitely worth

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 4/27/07 11:11 AM, David Mead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting hyphens/dashes in between the integers sounds like a good idea to me. I do that for most file names that need a date, so personally I'm on board. I'd be really interested in seeing if this does have an impact on the screen

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes b) This still conforms with all the relevant W3C recommendations ISO8601 is an ISO standard, not W3C. I rather suspect that this was a reference to the WCAG-WAI recommendations, not to any date-related format. -- Andy

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes title=20070312T17 [...] can also be written with dashes and colons like this: title=2007-03-12T17:00:00 Would everyone agree that, for the sake of screen reader users, we should update the wiki to strongly encourage this

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Mike Kaply
Both upcoming and eventful do not have dashes in their dates. They will need to be evangelized. Mike ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Webadmin - Tenbus
Mike Kaply wrote: Both upcoming and eventful do not have dashes in their dates. They will need to be evangelized. Mike Wikevent.org's got it right http://wikevent.org/en/Joan_Armatrading_2007_5_7 we don't need evangelising ;-) Spike ___

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Dan Champion
Webadmin - Tenbus wrote: Mike Kaply wrote: Both upcoming and eventful do not have dashes in their dates. They will need to be evangelized. Mike Wikevent.org's got it right http://wikevent.org/en/Joan_Armatrading_2007_5_7 we don't need evangelising ;-) Spike Ditto for Revish -

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread James Craig
Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote: title=2007-03-12T17:00:00 Can you confirm that: a) This will in fact solve the screen reader problem It will not. Though I agree with Jeremy and Tantek that this solution is slightly better than the current recommendation. It is still far from accessible.

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread James Craig
Dan Champion wrote: Webadmin - Tenbus wrote: Mike Kaply wrote: Both upcoming and eventful do not have dashes in their dates. They will need to be evangelized. Wikevent.org's got it right http://wikevent.org/en/ Joan_Armatrading_2007_5_7 we don't need evangelising ;-) Ditto for Revish -

Re: [uf-discuss] Best practice for the abbr pattern

2007-04-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes You guys are missing the point. Do you talk that way? Is anyone gonna be in thirty point three. Dash ninety-seven point seventy-five anytime soon? I should be there at two thousand seven six nine tee fifteen thirty zero zero