[uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-07 Thread Toby A Inkster
Toby A Inkster wrote: It is fair enough to take time to consider these things carefully before issuing an edict (perhaps if that had been done to begin with we would have never ended up with a broken datetime design pattern), but while the community dithers over deciding upon a replacement,

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-07 Thread Alasdair King
Toby A Inkster wrote: An example of the inaccessible datetime pattern can now be seen in the Microsoft WebSlice whitepaper[1]. The further it spreads, the harder it will be to fix. 1. http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date directly on the page, then hide the element containing the date with display:none? Cheers Jim Original Message: - From: Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 15:53:12 + To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats

[uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Toby A Inkster
Alasdair King wrote: This is clearly a contentious statement. However, the fact that this able, technical and motivated forum has been unable to come up with a agreed accessible format in eighteen months strongly suggests it isn't going to be able to do so with current assistive technology:

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Michael Smethurst
On 4/3/08 16:42, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as I've pointed out before, the imminent release of Firefox 3, with native support for microformats, will see a significant leap in public awareness of microformats. Is this still true? My understanding was that native uf support would

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:57 AM, Toby A Inkster wrote: For example, the following: span title=Monday 3 March 2008 (data:2008-03-03) class=dtstartstarted two days ago/span Is perfectly accessible in all tested screen readers (the read the human- readable started two days ago) and

[uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-04 Thread Toby A Inkster
Adam Craven - Four Shapes wrote: Does anyone have suggestions how this can be worked around whilst still keeping relatively good screen reader support? You mentioned hiding the ABBR with CSS as a solution, but IE6 (which plenty of screen readers hook into) ignores the ABBR element entirely

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, March 4, 2008 15:53, Toby A Inkster wrote: The fact is that the microformats datetime design pattern (and to a lesser extent, the ABBR design pattern) suffers from major accessibility problems. This has been known about and discussed for over 18 months, with various alternatives being

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Putting microformats on the BBC iPlayer

2008-03-04 Thread Alasdair King
I'd do two things: 1 Decide on a microformat that'll work, and ignore the accessibility issues. If you do it well, then other sites will copy you and it'll become a de facto standard. Then the assistive technology vendors (like me) will code support for it into their solutions. There'll be a lag,