Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-06 Thread Michael MD
But Michael can, of course, better clarify for himself exactly what he was looking for and not finding. I just thought I might be able to use the profile idea to provide a way to tell a parser what to look for. If they are not meant for that then that is my mistake. I just thought I might be ab

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Wilkins
From: "Mike Schinkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a book in my hands "Definitive XML Schema" written in 2001, published in 2002 and it discussed Namespaces in depth. The recommendation may have been last year, but it was not last year that the technology was available for people to use. And the

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-06 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Joe Andrieu wrote: Scott Reynen wrote: On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Michael MD wrote: I don't see how special cases where something has to be extracted in a different way are expressed in the profiles. Michael didn't see how that was expressed in profiles because

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-06 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ryan Cannon wrote: > > Ryan Cannon wrote: Adding an @profile attribute to he > > element is far less technically demanding than, > > say, creating a tag space, which we also require. > > Especially as the addition also has no performance or > > usability impact. > > > > It may be less technically

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-06 Thread Joe Andrieu
Scott Reynen wrote: > On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Michael MD wrote: > > > I don't see how special cases where something has to be extracted > > in a different way are expressed in the profiles. > > Michael didn't see how that was expressed in profiles because it's > *not* expressed in the profi

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-05 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Ryan Cannon wrote: This thread is about the necessity of profile URIs. I think the problems started with Scott Reynen's assertion[1] that: > Profiles are not intended to work as parsing templates. They just > identify the type of data so parsers can figure out wh

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-05 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Ryan Cannon wrote: Adding an @profile attribute to he element is far less technically demanding than, say, creating a tag space, which we also require. Especially as the addition also has no performance or usability impact. It may be less tech

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Karl Dubost wrote: > > I'll give you those, but there is something > > fundamentally different about them, i.e. they are for > > visual presentation not logic and data encoding. And > > there is SVG. Still, I have to ponder why tools have > > worked there but not elsewhere. It could be simply > >

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 mars 2007 à 11:31, Mike Schinkel a écrit : png, jpeg, gif, illustrator files, pdf, videos format? I'll give you those, but there is something fundamentally different about them, i.e. they are for visual presentation not logic and data encoding. And there is SVG. Still, I have to ponde

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Karl Dubost wrote: > There are two schools of thinking, one of which I believe > to be severely flawed: > > IMHO, more than that. :) as there are nuances in between. True. > > A.) Don't worry about the syntax or how it is > > implemented, the tools will take care of make it easy. > > B.)

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 mars 2007 à 10:08, Mike Schinkel a écrit : 1.) There are two schools of thinking, one of which I believe to be severely flawed: IMHO, more than that. :) as there are nuances in between. A.) Don't worry about the syntax or how it is implemented, the tools will take care of make

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ryan Cannon wrote: > Adding an @profile attribute to he element is far > less technically demanding than, say, creating a tag > space, which we also require. Especially as the addition > also has no performance or usability impact. It may be less technically demanding, but the latter is needed. >

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Michael MD
Users should *not* be encouraged to publish HTML markup they cannot read. That been happening out there in the real world with html for years with wysiwyg editors! ... and the fact that some of them generate bad or bloated markup is not going to stop the masses from using them. Personally

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:06 -0500, Ryan Cannon wrote: > Adding an @profile attribute to he element is far less > technically > demanding than, say, creating a tag space, which we also require. > Especially as > the addition also has no performance or usability impact. But one doesn't need to

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Danny Ayers wrote: if adding a profile attribute is hard for webmasters, the right answer is to make it easier rather than working around its absence. The of a HTML document is an important part of the chain of authoritative metadata [1]. ... T

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Danny Ayers wrote: > Just as an aside (and I'm open to accusations of > "architecture astronautics" here), if adding a profile > attribute is hard for webmasters, the right answer is to > make it easier rather than working around its absence. > The of a HTML document is an important part of the >

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-01 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Michael MD wrote: Yep, a combined profile would certainly be useful. There is still value in having multiple profiles in that it allows independent development (and deployment), microformats at different levels of maturity can comfortably coexist. I've been experime

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-01 Thread Michael MD
Yep, a combined profile would certainly be useful. There is still value in having multiple profiles in that it allows independent development (and deployment), microformats at different levels of maturity can comfortably coexist. I've been experimenting with trying to parse such profiles into pe

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-01 Thread Danny Ayers
On 01/03/07, Mike Linksvayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 13:44 +0100, Danny Ayers wrote: > XMDP profiles have already been drafted for many of the microformats > (e.g. there's one for hCalendar at [4]). Possibly stupid question: why profile_s_? (Or perhaps rather, why prof

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-02-28 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 13:44 +0100, Danny Ayers wrote: > XMDP profiles have already been drafted for many of the microformats > (e.g. there's one for hCalendar at [4]). Possibly stupid question: why profile_s_? (Or perhaps rather, why profile URI_s_.) Microformats are specified centrally at micro