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I would suggest there's a serious issue with what you've produced so
far, insofar as you have seemed to come up with the microformat first
rather than doing analysis of what's currently in use on the web and
also what's currently being done in other microformats.
For example, hListing and hReview
David Janes wrote:
> I'm not sure if I'm that excited :-) but I definitely think there's a
> gap that can be filled (i.e. that hReview/hListing identify people
> directly but only things indirectly). It's possible, but this is very
> speculative, that this could simplify the path for creating new
>
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Eric Skiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>To look at a real world example, FreshDirect sells both single items
>and bulk cases.
>
>They're each treated as a single row in their product database,
>without worrying about nesting 12 individual cans of soup in the
>"case"
On 11/17/06, Eric Skiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think that the work you're doing right now on hItem could be some of
the most important microformat work yet. I'm sure you've already made
the connection I just came to, but here's why I'm excited.
I'm not sure if I'm that excited :-) but I d
If I mark up the apartment block with all of its aforesaid components,
in a nested manner, and apply a height, does it apply to the block, or
the brick?
In the immortal words of Bill & Ted:
"Whoa."
Aside from the philosophical implications of marking up any "thing" as
a hItem or even a tree of
My intention is to stick to (1) analyzing existing behavior/use on the
web and (2) using the 80/20 rule. I think we'll be fine. If
compositing objects becomes an issue (for example, describing an Audi
with 4 Pirelli tires) then we'll hash it out.
Regards, etc...
On 11/17/06, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric
Skiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>hItem is a bit vague on purpose to make it flexible, but in general, i
>think it will be most useful for describing physical goods.
Consider these two examples.
A bottle of wine is an item. So is the case of 12 bottle
---sorry if this gets posted a few times, i got some bouncebacks
because I didn't send in plaintext---
Hi everyone, I'm a little new here, so feel free to take this with a
grain of salt, but I definitely just had an "oh my god" moment about
this.
I think that the work you're doing right now on h
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>- the price in a listing may be different that the "real" price/value
>of an item (!)
Then we need "price" (if not "price", "list-price", "offer-price",
"minimum-bid", "current-bid", etc.) and "value".
It should be possible,
hListing can definitely be about an hItem, but I think they're separate:
- hListings can be about people (I assume)
- the title of a listing (for example) "the greatest record ever made"
is not necessarily the same as the title of the item (i.e. "Who's
Next")
- the price in a listing may be diffe
I think the purpose of this is that it is vague. Or perhaps
'Versatile' might be a more positive word.
I think it covers a lot of ground hListing covers (all of it?),
however, I think what me and David are struggling with is it being
stuck on items just for sale. I can imagine this being easi
I'm not going to get too philosophical -- item in this particular
context means a "thing", though I can see the abiguity you're getting
at.
I'm definitely ... and you can see this in the wikipage ... looking to
work closer to the intersection than the union of attributes, as
obviously one issue i
I've opened up a wikipage [1] to capture this discussion. I'll punch
in some examples soon also.
Regards, etc...
[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/items-brainstorming
On 11/16/06, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Exactly my thoughts, except for the torn part.
My thinking, which is probab
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James
Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>I think to a certain extent, just marking an item as an item could be
>quite powerful
But what is an "item"? A physical object? A concept? A word? A
paragraph?
If anything, I'd work in the opposite direction; find common
Exactly my thoughts, except for the torn part.
My thinking, which is probably non-representative of the group, is
that if (1) something is being widely done on the web and (2) there is
really meaning there, then there's probably value in having a
microformat there to represent it, even if the app
I think to a certain extent, just marking an item as an item could be
quite powerful, enabling you to easily see that this is a thing, it
is owned by this hcard, it is for sale at this price and these are
several reviews of it. These are the thoughts that tempt me. Although
I'm still torn.
I certainly appreciate the #2 concern and I'll have a look at what
they did in #1. My thought is not to universally capture all
attributibutes of thingyness, but rather a few key concepts that are
more or less already in use, particularly in microformats (i.e. fn,
photo, url; also adr and geo).
T
I would voice a few worries...
1) Dublin Core spent YEARS looking at metadata about 'things' and they
narrowed things down to a handful of properties. It has been
brought-up before to possibly model DC terms.
2) when you look for 'real-world' examples you will find "things"
everywhere. There are
Any takers? I'm willing to start putting together an -examples and
-brainstorming page, but I don't want to invest tens of hours in the
project if people think it's semi-stupid or "we consider that but then
we figured out it was a bad idea".
hItem is probably a better name indeed.
Regards, etc..
I have been having such thoughts, although I had hItem in my mind.
I pretty much had the same justifications in my head as David has
laid out. I was also thinking I wasn't sure much more base was
covered by this then hListing and hReview, as selling and reviewing
are, from what I can think o
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