RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Danny Ayers wrote: Just as an aside (and I'm open to accusations of architecture astronautics here), if adding a profile attribute is hard for webmasters, the right answer is to make it easier rather than working around its absence. The head of a HTML document is an important part of the

RE: [uf-discuss] Tutorial on AHAH (such a cool technology!)

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Costello, Roger L. wrote: Hi Folks, I have created a tutorial on AHAH (Asynchronous HTML and HTTP) http://www.xfront.com/microformats/AHAH.html Comments welcome. Printable version please! Ane that doesn't take 12 pages to print... (He also grumbles about lack of back button in

Re: [uf-discuss] No luck with getting Technorati to index my microformat-containing Web pages - help!

2007-03-04 Thread Paul Kinlan
Hi. I have completly removed my Technorati entry and stopped using Technorati because it never kept up to date with my site (i.e it was months out) and the support people at Technorati never got back to me. Funnily enough, my blog http://www.kinlan.co.uk/ has some hAtom support in it (although

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Well-known URLs

2007-03-04 Thread Brian Suda
On 3/4/07, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone of any other initiatives to define Well Known Names besides these:? http://mysite.foo/sitemap.xml According to the sitemap.org site i found this reference: http://www.sitemaps.org/faq.html#faq_sitemap_location

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Mar 4, 2007, at 3:14 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Danny Ayers wrote: if adding a profile attribute is hard for webmasters, the right answer is to make it easier rather than working around its absence. The head of a HTML document is an important part of the chain of authoritative metadata [1].

[uf-discuss] Species microformat - test page and Operator

2007-03-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
The new beta of Operator: http://www.kaply.com/weblog/2007/02/16/operator-07a-is- available/ The Firefox extension for parsing microformats detects the species microformat which is currently under development, A test page has been created:

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Well-known URLs

2007-03-04 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Does anyone of any other initiatives to define Well Known Names http://exmaple.com/delorie.htm (see http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cheese.com)

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:06 -0500, Ryan Cannon wrote: Adding an @profile attribute to he head element is far less technically demanding than, say, creating a tag space, which we also require. Especially as the addition also has no performance or usability impact. But one doesn't need to

Re: [uf-discuss] authoritative hCards, a simpler proposl

2007-03-04 Thread John Allsopp
Hi all, Mike Schinkel wrote: Ryan King wrote: Catching up in the last few days, I find that there are some probelems with the authoritative hcards proposals. I' snip My proposal is that we use UID+URL to hint that there's an hCard on the other end of that URL which represents the same

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Michael MD
Users should *not* be encouraged to publish HTML markup they cannot read. That been happening out there in the real world with html for years with wysiwyg editors! ... and the fact that some of them generate bad or bloated markup is not going to stop the masses from using them. Personally

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ryan Cannon wrote: Adding an @profile attribute to he headelement is far less technically demanding than, say, creating a tag space, which we also require. Especially as the addition also has no performance or usability impact. It may be less technically demanding, but the latter is needed.

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 mars 2007 à 10:08, Mike Schinkel a écrit : 1.) There are two schools of thinking, one of which I believe to be severely flawed: IMHO, more than that. :) as there are nuances in between. A.) Don't worry about the syntax or how it is implemented, the tools will take care of

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Karl Dubost wrote: There are two schools of thinking, one of which I believe to be severely flawed: IMHO, more than that. :) as there are nuances in between. True. A.) Don't worry about the syntax or how it is implemented, the tools will take care of make it easy. B.) Don't

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Well-known URLs

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Angus McIntyre wrote: You could add: http://mysite.foo/siteinfo.xml although whether that's well-known is a matter of terminology, given that few people have actually heard of it. It seems that the SiteInfo 'standard' as proposed at: http://a9.com/-/company/help/siteinfo/

RE: [uf-discuss] authoritative hCards, a simpler proposl

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
John Allsopp wrote: A number of somewhat overlapping suggestions seem to be floating around regarding this. There is definitely a strong use case, IMO, for somehow indicating that some hCard over there is a more detailed version of this one. For example, at the various conference sites I

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Well-known URLs

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Andy Mabbett wrote: http://exmaple.com/delorie.htm (see http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. cheese.com) I read the info about it I found while googling but I'm not sure I'm clear. Is it saying that Opera will look for a page called /delorie.htm on the current domain?

Re: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Karl Dubost
Le 5 mars 2007 à 11:31, Mike Schinkel a écrit : png, jpeg, gif, illustrator files, pdf, videos format? I'll give you those, but there is something fundamentally different about them, i.e. they are for visual presentation not logic and data encoding. And there is SVG. Still, I have to

Re: [uf-discuss] authoritative hCards, a simpler proposl

2007-03-04 Thread Scott Reynen
On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:05 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: And, being an advocate for Well Designed URLs, I do not think the right solution is to simply tag a random and undiscoverable and unmemorizable UID onto the end of a URL. But I'd have to understand the problem domain and use-cases to be

RE: [uf-discuss] Scraping or parsing?

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Karl Dubost wrote: I'll give you those, but there is something fundamentally different about them, i.e. they are for visual presentation not logic and data encoding. And there is SVG. Still, I have to ponder why tools have worked there but not elsewhere. It could be simply because

RE: [uf-discuss] authoritative hCards, a simpler proposl

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Scott Reynen wrote: I think you're still a bit confused about what was suggested. Indeed I was confused. I could have sworn I saw some kind of usage that tagged a GUID on the end of a URL, which is what confused me, but I can't seem to find that email in my folders so, not important. Thanks

RE: [uf-discuss] authoritative hCards, a simpler proposl

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ara Pehlivanian wrote: Maybe the problem is that we're trying to point to an authoratative hCard when in reality what we want to do is simply (like you just said) point to a more detailed hCard. snip The moment the ID is provided, it indicates that the link isn't just pointing to any

RE: [uf-discuss] Re: Well-known URLs

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Schinkel
Andy Mabbett wrote: http://exmaple.com/opensearch.xml I just researched this and it appears that Amazon/A9 are *not* using Well-Known Names but instead using autodiscovery on a link element[1]. -- -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org