Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Kevin Marks
On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Christopher Rines wrote: In my opinion amount is a really difficult one to abbreviate (or any measure for that matter) as it can be used to describe a lot of other things for which there is not yet a microformat but cur (for currency) is interesting as just off

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher Rines [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes And yet we have geo. I think comparing geo and sci, etc. is not a great example as I think geo can be thought of as a well known abbreviation. Yes, it clearly identifies rocks, to geologists ;-) But seriously, do you

Re: [uf-discuss] Mozilla brainstorms Firefox 3.0

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Wiki: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming uFs are already mentioned on the latter That page has now been sub-divided, and uFs have their own page, at:

Re: [uf-discuss] Mozilla brainstorms Firefox 3.0

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes That page has now been sub-divided, and uFs have their own page, at: http://wiki.mozilla.org./Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming:Microfo rmat_Handling (aka http://tinyurl.co.uk/1iy4 ) Oops - the long URL is correct, but the

[uf-discuss] include in hCalendar

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
There is no reference of the 'wiki' page for hCalendar, within our outside the section headed specification, to the use of the include-pattern. -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk

[uf-discuss] 'wiki' pages for individual properties

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
I have just setup 'Wiki' pages for dtstart http://microformats.org/wiki/dtstart dtend http://microformats.org/wiki/dtend I did think of making them simple redirects to the hCalendar page, but instead have said, for example: dtstart (start-date) is a

Re: [uf-discuss] 'wiki' pages for individual properties

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes There is a page on the wiki which currently lists all (probably needs updating) properties and which microformats they can be used within. http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes Yes; I am aware of that. I would not use

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Roper
On 21/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yet we have geo. I think comparing geo and sci, etc. is not a great example as I think geo can be thought of as a well known abbreviation. Yes, it clearly identifies rocks, to geologists ;-) But seriously, do you really think it's well

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Roper
On 21/10/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Use a standard sig-separator of dash dash space return, where possible (or switch to a service or client which will allow you to use one; again where possible) I don't think anyone is going to switch from their

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Roper
On 21/10/06, Kevin Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the broader point, assuming you use gzip when you care about size, abbreviations don't save much, especially in the many-repeated case discussed. This is one of my primary arguments against using abbreviations. See my original post:

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose)

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charles Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Can anyone give any real *disadvantages* to using output compression? Perhaps not - but is it always available to people? Not everyone manages (or has access to the management of) the servers on which their content resides.

[uf-discuss] microFormats and Semantic Web mailing list

2006-10-21 Thread Alex Piner
Could there be a microFormats and Semantic Web mailing list for a clear channel of such topics, as it seems to be diretly related (in an indirect way)? Where can I find out about the Governance of Microformats? How specs are created, how final rulings are decided, etc, if Tantek is the Law?

Re: [uf-discuss] Size considerations (or how to choose abbreviations)

2006-10-21 Thread Benjamin West
I think this has been mentioned before, but I'll mention it again. From http://microformats.org/wiki/geo: geo is a 1:1 representation of the geo property in the vCard standard (RFC2426 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2426.txt)) in XHTML As you can see, the authors of the spec weren't the ones

Re: [uf-discuss] SIOC presentation at CommerceNet, sprinkled with MicroFormats - October 26 at 4:00 in Palo Alto

2006-10-21 Thread Alex Piner
thanks Brian! As per Tanteks suggestions, and after reading the first few lines, I think it is only appropriate for http://microformats.org/wiki/events as it is only related to mF, it does not belong in presentations, as discusions of both microformats in general, and specific microformats, is

Re: [uf-discuss] SIOC presentation at CommerceNet, sprinkled with MicroFormats - October 26 at 4:00 in Palo Alto

2006-10-21 Thread Alex Piner
i think it is only appropriate for http://microformats.org/wiki/events as it is only related to mF, it does not belong in presentations, as discusions of both microformats in general, and specific microformats, is what that is for. i am wrong, will have to see what the rel-cite jazz is all

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard URL for page being visited

2006-10-21 Thread Benjamin West
Isn't address supposed to contain contact information for the page itself? On 10/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember mentioning this before, but can't find where I did so, nor any responses. It seems to me that there should be some way to say that the URL of an

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] mailing list policies reminder

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Here're some suggested additions: *Use a meaningful subject header: How do I include nick-name in an hCard? is better than hCard help please which is better than:

Re: [uf-discuss] microFormats and Semantic Web mailing list

2006-10-21 Thread Alex Piner
Thats Awesome, not to get bogged down in final specs just garage hacking to get stuff to work I am getting a better picture now thanks On 10/21/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The community is the closest thing to law and there are no final rulings per se as implementation and

Re: [uf-discuss] microFormats and Semantic Web mailing list

2006-10-21 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes there are no final rulings per se as implementation and real-world adoption speaks louder than any centralized authority. Does that mean that the W3C redundant and we should; all be using frontpage-style markup? -- Andy

Re: [uf-discuss] microFormats and Semantic Web mailing list

2006-10-21 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 10/21/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes there are no final rulings per se as implementation and real-world adoption speaks louder than any centralized authority. Does that mean that the W3C redundant and we

[uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal

2006-10-21 Thread Emir Bukva
Hello all, I'm blatantly new to the world of micro formats, but as I'm finding them infectious, I'd like to explain a specific usage in which I have a great deal of interest. Perhaps I can get some input on whether my purpose is bona-fide and if it's appropriate for micro formats. Forgive me

Re: [uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal

2006-10-21 Thread Jeremy Boggs
Hi Emir, Are there similar initiatives I'm not aware of? It sounds like this might be a good addition to the citation microformat effort [1] and related pages. [2] I think the majority of the discussion/efffort for the citation has focused on text documents, but a case could certainly

Re: [uf-discuss] Advocacy Page on Wiki

2006-10-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 10/20/06 2:58 PM, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I created an Advocacy page on the Wiki. http://microformats.org/wiki/Advocacy If it's not the right place for it, of course please move it... Thanks Mike. It makes sense and I have expanded upon and added some sections. One minor

[uf-discuss] microformats lists (beginners, new microformats)

2006-10-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 10/21/06 11:34 AM, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And how's about that request for a beginner's list that was put forth recently? :) microformats-discuss *is* the beginner's list. The primary non-beginner use of this list is currently discussion about new microformats, for which

Re: [uf-discuss] Visual Art Titles Microformat Proposal

2006-10-21 Thread Bruce D'Arcus
On 10/21/06, Jeremy Boggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like this might be a good addition to the citation microformat effort [1] and related pages. [2] I think the majority of the discussion/efffort for the citation has focused on text documents, but a case could certainly be made (and