Re: [uf-discuss] Marking Up Personal Profiles
Good research. Lachlan Hunt mumbled the following on 01/10/2006 06:20: *Age* Birth date: 1983-03-07 Age: 23 (some sites just publish your age, not your actual birth date) Star sign: Pisces * Limitation: Represents the value of the date, not its purpose. e.g. hListing has dtlisted and dtexpired for representing listed and expired dates, I couldn't find anything that represents a birth date. hcard can have a bday class: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.1.5_BDAY_Type_Definition -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] [citation]: Brian's outstanding issues 2:
Michael McCracken mumbled the following on 25/09/2006 23:05: I do agree that using an element with type class instead of a huge number of type classes is the way to go here, to avoid class namespace pollution. Comments? I agree. It follows one of the principles of Minimising Vocabulary, and allows the same class name to be used in multiple uFs. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 24/09/2006 09:29: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes This is some good research Andy, and I hope they've been added to the examples page. P.S. It's a wiki - feel free. It's your idea, it's your proposal, it's your research, it's your opportunity to add it. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] hcard - role or title?
Is their a semantic difference between the use of title or role to describe the position within the organisation for a hcard? Relevant links: http://microformats.org/wiki/hresume#Job_Titles http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Property_List http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.5.2_ROLE_Type_Definition http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#3.5.1_TITLE_Type_Definition -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Use of abbr (also object) and Accessibility
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 22/09/2006 09:08: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Typical use of dates (not times) in prose omit the year, Nonsense. as well in sites, search results for events etc., whereas the example given puts the date in the prose. Using the year inline every time a day and month is state is the edge case. Again, nonsense. Don't see any visible dates for the majority of http://www.westmidlandbirdclub.com/newATOM.htm -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 22/09/2006 23:55: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that species names are esoteric? *boggle* Under a definition of only being used or known by a small group of people, yes. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 12:52: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes allowing/encouraging research of more esoteric or less frequently used/published data types (species, moon/mars geolocations) on the Web. Do you *really* think that species names are esoteric? *boggle* Under a definition of only being used or known by a small group of people, yes. And you think that Blackbird, poodle, T Rex, potato, French Marigold, Wisteria, E. Coli, HIV, Rubella or human being are only used by a small group of people? Species names tend to only be scientific, and therefore generally in Latin. The list you propose above would be considered vernacular names at best. Considering that no agreed formal definition of species apparently exists[1] then the usefulness of a supporting uF may be questionable. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Definitions_of_species -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 15:37: How on earth do you thing the scientific community functions? ^^^ And that brings us back round nicely to a species microformat being esoteric, and less frequently used than recognising people, dates, reviews, resumes and currency. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Proposal: species
Andy Mabbett mumbled the following on 23/09/2006 17:25: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes the usefulness of a supporting uF may be questionable. P.S. Oh, that really is a joke. How on earth do you think garden centre functions? I have no idea - uF are concerned with webpages, so you're real life example is going off track. However as you seemingly want to go down this route, you have yet again highlighted an example where knowing a genus and species is only of use to those select few people (relative to the world) who work in a garden centre or who have a keen interest in horticulture. Even taking a genus such as Chrysanthemum, this is also its vernacular name, so knowing there are ~30 species of chrysanthemum is of little relevance to those not in the above groups, and certainly does not fall within the 80/20 concept. I can't see how you can compare the usage that this knowledge presents to that of the usage of dates, currency, events, people, etc. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hCard question
David Janes mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 00:52: I'm seeing this: span class=emailspan class=spamprevention usernamekwilson/span@span class=spamprevention domain3color.org/span/span in a vCard [1]. Good. No good? I'm guessing the latter. while splitting the e-mail address into parts is not part of the uf as I understand it, I can understand why this has been done, as it does, IME, greatly reduce spam. I once displayed an email address webmaster@ so that the w was big and bold: span class=bigandboldW/span[EMAIL PROTECTED] When the junk mail arrived, the to: only contained [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clearly the spam harvesters were looking for the @ sign, then cropping up to the nearest HTML delimter. Following on from this, using: mespan@/spanexample.com means they would only harvest the @ sign. Using the kwilson example you've given is just 1 step further forward on from that, using the same idea, but making the markup more semantic. I have to say, I've seen this example before, and I do employ this method on some of my sites. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 21/09/2006 17:59: Hello, On 9/21/06, Stephen Paul Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, with ISO 4127, Canadian Dollars has the code CAD. However, I have also seen the code CDN used for Canadian Dollars. I don't believe 'CDN' is from a standard... it's a common misnomer I agree that no organization like ISO or ANSI created a specification for that code. But that does NOT prevent from being a standard. (Think defacto standard.) You do NOT need the blessing of any organization to get a standard. You just need enough people (within a group) using it. CDN is used by ALOT of people. Poor web design techniques are used by ALOT of people - doesn't mean they're right. If microformats were to become popular enough, as well the inherent benefits, it could also indirectly correct people on an issue such as this. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Tentative proposal for What's New listings
Matthew Levine mumbled the following on 22/09/2006 00:09: [What's new page] Take a look at the hAtom draft. This should fit your needs. If a What's New / Updates / changelog page can be marked up successfully with hAtom, can these examples be added to the Wiki please? I (for one) don't have a blog, but do have these types of pages scattered over a few sites. -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] 'currency' microformat straw-man proposal.
Charles Iliya Krempeaux mumbled the following on 20/09/2006 22:38: abbr class=iso4217 #164; title=CAD$/abbr5.00 So a class name like currency-symbol or currency_symbol would be better. I've not been following this thread closely, so apologies if this has already been dismissed. Andy, or whoever, feel free to add any relevant parts to the brainstorming page. Usually, when talking about currency, the word 'type' is used (see xe.com). That, to me, suggests something similar to a previous suggestion (http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-July/004780.html), though mine is slightly different: span class=currency span class=type$/span span class=value5.00/span /span (which follows the value excerpting model of using type and value classes), or, better: span class=currency abbr class=type title=CAD$/abbr span class=value5.00/span /span If the formatting of a currency is such that the type symbol comes after the value, then simply swap the order of the type and value elements. I do think that the use of type and value classes would be better than currency_symbol and amount. It follows the same as other elemental formats and, even ISO4217 has codes for currencies that don't use symbols: span class=currency span class=value23/span ounces of abbr class=type title=XAGGold/abbr /span Following on from this, the use of a money class should not be used; currency does not _have_ to be money, and having a metal class starts to make it convoluted. Type and value work fine. If there was one further issue, perhaps an amount class could be used instead of type value: span class=currency span class=amount£14 6s 4d/span /span span class=currency span class=amount50 pence/span /span I don't think any mention of ISO4217 is needed within the code though; it could be accepted as the default way of doing it, in the same way ISO8601 is used for dates, and whatever co-ordinate system is used in geo, etc. If you include the iso4217 within class names, and a new standard comes along (countries merging/splitting, changing to single/other currencies etc) then you'll need to change all your class names - not a good situation. But... #164; or curren; or ¤ actually means currency symbol. (It's a pictograph for it.) And since I'm guessing this is a language neutral way of saying currency symbol, I thought it was better. The majority / rest of microformats are in English, so why start trying to be different now? It just tells you what format you are going to use to specify the currency (in the title). There are other formats for specifying currencies besides these 3 letter codes. (Like there are different ways of specifying distances... like miles, kilometers, light years, etc.) Those could be considered types of distance, rather than the group of types that your ISO4217 refers to. You wouldn't specify Metric, Imperial, SI etc when referring to a distance? A quick look at the straw man proposal[1], I can see that my above examples may need work to cover older, now un-used forms of currency. But then how far do we go back in time? Back to when camels were used as a form of currency? How about localised monetary systems back in Medieval times? Or shall we be sensible and stick with what the international financial world recognises, by sticking to only those currencies listed in ISO4217? [1] http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-brainstorming#Straw_man_proposal -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] hAtom editor?
Name, or URL, doesn't seem to appear in the vcard section...? Benjamin West mumbled the following on 10/09/2006 09:18: Here's a really dumb, minimal version: http://dichotomize.com/uf/hatom/creator.html -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] vcard fn for name in A. B. Smith format
David Randall mumbled the following on 31/08/2006 11:01: I suppose the abbreviation pattern could theoretically be butchered for this purpose: abbr class=fn title=Charles WindsorHis Royal Highness, The Prince of Wales/abbr Royalty is a tricky one - how would you add other titles like Duke of Cornwall, Lieutenant General etc to the above? How about for his son? Prince Harry 2nd Lieutenant Wales Henry Charles Albert David Mountbatten-Windsor Even is family-name isn't consistent! -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Article: The Big Picture on Microformats
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_big_picture_on_microformats/ -- Regards, Gazza ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
