Re: [uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Ross Singer: 1) There's obviously a group that wants this data to be used with bibliographic management software 2) There's a group that wants these citations to be able to link to fulltext/print/etc. for any person's library 3) There's a group (I think?) that wants to be able to display properly formatted citations (or, at least more properly). I think I'm in group 0. :) I just want to mark up the fact that bits of my pages are talking about books, so that other semantic web applications (All Consuming, etc.) can eat my data. I kind of thought that was what it was all about. -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. - Henry Spencer, University of Toronto Unix hack ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Hello folks; please don't shoot, I'm new here. I've noticed on the wiki that there's a relatively long discussion about citation formats, tending to focus on creating microformats for full academic citations. From my point of view, this seems to go against the start as simple as possible principle, but let's move on. I'm looking for something simpler and something a bit more immediate. I'm working on an online book recommendation site (http://www.youneedtoreadthis.com/) which will, obviously, display a lot of information about books. I'd like that to contain semantic markup for all the books: nothing too fancy, just title, author, maybe ISBN. I would imagine that this is a fairly common usage case. Can I do this yet? Is there a citation format ready to use right now? -- If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably wrong. -- Norm Schryer ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Breton Slivka: Lead by example. If you can get some use out of authoring your own xhtml semantics, do it! OK, let's have a go: http://www.youneedtoreadthis.com/book/view/0596102356 I don't consider the authorgroup and the metadata to be part of the uformat, they're just presentational - for me, at least. (metadata is a silly name if you think about it, it's all metadata.) Someone said that the citation uformat should use hcards for authors; this is probably an ideal situation, but not necessarily practical in all cases - for instance, I'm slurping author data from Amazon and don't have control of how it segments into first, middle, last names, etc. But I think this is a reasonable start. -- So what if I have a fertile brain? Fertilizer happens. -- Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Fred Stutzman: Well, indeed, but wouldn't defining a new standard just contribute another to this list? I am neither suggesting we do or we don't accept BibTeX, and am neither suggesting we use or we don't use another namespace. I'm just saying, get something working and build from that. The history of the Internet shows that it really doesn't matter *what* you start from. Now, it is a happy coincidence that the microformat I've created as an ad-hoc thing and am using on You Need To Read This uses exactly the same namespace as BibTeX - but that is because author, title and book are pretty obvious names for the things they describe. :) -- A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Tantek ?elik: http://microformats.org/wiki/process Second, the folks working on the citation microformat to date have done *a lot* of work along the lines of the process which I recommend you read to understand the current state of progress: http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-examples http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-formats http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-faq Oh, I've read it all. I'm just of the opinion that following process, collating examples, performing analysis, holding discussion, forming consensus, trialling implementations, reviewing implementations, and issuing specifications is a way to ensure that nothing gets done, ever. The citation process started a year ago. There's still, apparently, nothing I can use today - at least, nothing better than the ad-hocery I just created. -- If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape at about 30 miles/second. -- Grishman, Assembly Language Programming ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Easy book citations
Bruce D'Arcus: But if you follow the BibTeX way strictly (where all properties are single values) you will end up with an hCite tha is liimited, and akward to extend. Every time someone needs to represent a different kind of resource, they'll have to go through some complicated community consensus process just to get their new ttitle, etc. propreties authorized. That sounds like an excellent way to discourage trivial accretions - people would only go through the process of extending the spec if they really, really needed it. This means you can start with something relatively simple and easy to get consensus on, and work from there. What's the down-side again? -- dhd even though I know what a 'one time pad' is, it still sounds like a feminine hygiene product. ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
