[uf-discuss] added hReview-aggregate and rel-author as drafts, archived a few others, uf2 for new ufs

2012-08-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
New drafts, archived drafts/spec, and new microformats in general. 1. New drafts. Since both: * hReview-aggregate * rel-author have shown fairly broad publishing support, and are consumed by popular/mainstream sites/applications (e.g. search engines), I've added them as Drafts per the

Re: [uf-discuss] [microformats-2] e-* values and the JSON serialization

2011-12-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:41, Edward O'Connor hob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The Microformats 2 page doesn't yet contain a definition of the JSON serialization algorithm. When it does get written down, the algorithm should specify that e-* properties (whose value is the DOM descendents of the

[uf-discuss] Re: Curriculum Vitae (resumé) schema

2011-10-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
That's quite a good list of resources Dan! Specifically, you mentioned: As usual, the Microformats community have already been quite active in researching this topic; you should check out http://microformats.org/wiki/resume-formats and if you prefer to keep notes in their (public domain

Re: [uf-discuss] schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe

2011-07-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
/semtech-bof-notes.html: [...] Kevin Marks: Microformats says have a discussion first. You did that with hRecipe, so I'm surprsed to see you didnt go through that here. That'a the difference in phsilophy Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open community

Re: [uf-discuss] schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe

2011-06-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
The point is to capture specific issues rather than have a discussion - a discussion where nothing is recorded on the wiki is nearly worthless and may as well have not happened. If it doesn't get captured on a discoverable URL, it might as well not exist (and no, email archives are NOT

Document your work discoverably on the web or don't bother. Was Re: [uf-discuss] schema.org, microformats.org, hRecipe

2011-06-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
that here. That'a the difference in phsilophy Tantek Çelik: Google (Kavi in particular!) successfully worked with the open community on both hReview-aggregate and hRecipe - openly. [...] Kevin Marks: hRecipe was a great example of how Google can do this. [...] This sounds like quite some

Re: [uf-discuss] input microformats for auto-filling forms

2011-02-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:49, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Somebody claiming to be Glenn Jones wrote: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-input-brainstorming We should confine the definitions of microformat to classname

Re: [uf-discuss] input microformats for auto-filling forms

2011-02-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 13:28, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Somebody claiming to be Tantek Çelik wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:49, Stephen Paul Weber singpol...@singpolyma.net wrote: Somebody claiming to be Glenn Jones

[uf-discuss] moving drafts forward - process-brainstorming: draft, specification, standard

2011-02-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
It's been noted[1][2] that no drafts are making it to specification, and in short there are two reasons for this: 1. Lack of steps in the process[3] for how a draft should proceed to specification and what each of those mean (other than the summary on the Main Page[4]), including lack of

Re: [uf-discuss] The wiki has been spammed

2011-01-29 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 19:07, Alexandre Patry a...@nlpfu.com wrote: Hi, I just wanted to inform you that your wiki (at least http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page) has been spammed. Thanks for the heads-up Alexandre - should be all cleaned up now. Tantek

[uf-discuss] Re: country-name expected values

2010-11-29 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 22:00, David Recordon record...@gmail.com wrote: This is a good question. Was hoping the answer was an easy vCard spec'd X but it seems that neither vCard or hCard actually define country-name. Tantek, thoughts? country-name in vCard, and in hCard reflects what people

Re: [uf-discuss] 2 billion hCards! gathering material for a microformats.org turns 5 blog post

2010-07-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
Toby, On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Toby Inkster t...@g5n.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:24:52 -0700 Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.edu wrote: snip academic discussion of fb: being a URL scheme or not The page at http://wordpress.org/ does actually contain 3 triples i evaluated

Re: [uf-discuss] 2 billion hCards! gathering material for a microformats.org turns 5 blog post

2010-07-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
of the RDFa results demonstrates. Ed, Ed Summers wrote: On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.edu wrote: Some additional recent news: * microformats has 94% marketshare compared to alternatives (e.g. RDFa) according to Google (announced at the Semantic Technology

Re: [uf-discuss] 2 billion hCards! gathering material for a microformats.org turns 5 blog post

2010-07-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Toby Inkster m...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 02:25:38 -0700 Tantek Çelik tan...@cs.stanford.edu wrote: E.g. Wordpress.org results don't have any RDFa. View source and the only thing even remotely resembling you see is: meta property

[uf-discuss] 2 billion hCards! gathering material for a microformats.org turns 5 blog post

2010-07-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
According to Yahoo! Search Monkey, there are now over 2 billion hCards on the web: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=searchmonkey%3Acom.yahoo.page.uf.hcard This is perhaps due to a few fairly large recent deployments: * BrightKite.com - all venues and user profiles have hCard (millions) *

Re: [uf-discuss] Level of rel=contact

2010-04-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 22:48 +, Brian Suda wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: I'm thinking that rel=contact is generally attributed to someone that we have at least a lowest

Re: [uf-discuss] [ANN] any23 v0.2 released

2010-02-19 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Davide Palmisano palmis...@fbk.eu wrote: Dear all, we are proud to announce a new release of any23 -- Anything to Triples.          http://developers.any23.org/ Davide, congratulations on your release! Any23 is a Java library that parses RDF from a

Re: [uf-discuss] geo shorthand in anchor

2010-02-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: I've noted my observations on your observations http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=geo-brainstormingdiff=41657oldid=41586 Thanks Sarven, you raised some good questions - I've followed up on the wiki as well. I

Re: [uf-discuss] geo shorthand in anchor

2009-12-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 22:30 +, Brian Suda wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Sarven Capadisli i...@csarven.ca wrote: AFAIK: The StatusNet platform as of version 0.9RC1 e.g.,

Re: [uf-discuss] Marking up properties which reused pre-existing microformat

2009-12-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Glenn Jones glenn.jo...@madgex.com wrote: One of the problems I am see a lot with hResume is now properties which reused pre-existing microformat are mark-up. A good example is education in hResume which is hCalendar, I believe it should be mark-up like so:

Re: [uf-discuss] hreview-aggregate -- votes vs reviews

2009-11-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Kavi Goel k...@google.com wrote: Hi all, I have replaced the stub page for hReview-aggregate with a draft spec describing the microformat that was decided on early this year. ... http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview-aggregate Hi Kavi, I've reviewed the

Re: H2VX.com is feature complete. was Re: [uf-discuss] Concerning the Technorati pipes

2009-11-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
: Tantek Çelik wrote: If folks write new XSLTs to handles more conversions, we can certainly take a look at setting them up (e.g. an hNews or hAtom + value-class-pattern to Atom or RSS converter). Transformr [1]  has implemented an hAtom + value-title [2]  to RSS2 converter You can

H2VX.com is feature complete. was Re: [uf-discuss] Concerning the Technorati pipes

2009-10-31 Thread Tantek Çelik
Quick update: H2VX.com is up, serving vCards and iCalendars, and also has new browser buttons (AKA favelets/bookmarklets) that submit the current page to it to be converted. Details: Re: 1. TR Ops contacted. I still have no update from Technorati. Now that H2VX has an updated UI and converter,

Re: [uf-discuss] hRecipe on FoodNetwork.com

2009-10-10 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Mark Wunsch m...@markwunsch.com wrote: Hello Microformaters, I'm really pleased to announce that FoodNetwork.com has recently rolled out hRecipe on its recipes! We've been observing the development of hRecipe and thank Thomas Loertsch, et al. for the great

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats.org hacked!

2009-09-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Toby Inksterm...@tobyinkster.co.uk wrote: Seems to have fallen victim to the current WordPress security problem. Thanks for the heads-up Toby. Ben Ward had already updated our WordPress install to 2.8.4 a couple of days ago, so I'm not sure if the attack still

[uf-discuss] outstanding hCard and hCalendar issues resolved (except dtend which needs your opinion!)

2009-08-27 Thread Tantek Çelik
All outstanding hCard and hCalendar issues have been resolved (except for dtend). If over the past several years you raised an issue on the wiki regarding hCard and/or hCalendar, or if you work on an hCard/hCalendar implementation, please take a look at: *

updating hAtom (was Re: [uf-discuss] Progress on hAtom?) and a quick note on hNews

2009-07-16 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Simondud...@gmx.de wrote: I just wondered if there is any progress on hAtom. There are many open questions on the issues page, but nothing really happend since version 0.1. Hi Simon, apologies for the delay - been a bit busy with organizing

Re: [uf-discuss] What does the 'h' in microformats mean?

2009-07-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 09.07.09 10:15, Martin McEvoy mar...@weborganics.co.uk wrote: Hello all I wander if anyone can tell me what the 'h' in microformats means? I have always thought 'h' was for 'hypertext' but could it mean 'hypermedia' or even 'html' It's in the microformats FAQ :)

Re: [uf-discuss] mixing vocabularies

2009-07-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
Replies to Thomas and Bob inline: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Thomas Loertschloertsch.tho...@guj.de wrote: I'll try to copy (more of) the referenced conventions inline and make the page more self-contained. But that isn't always as easy as it sounds: e.g. author is reused from hAtom

Re: [uf-discuss] mixing vocabularies

2009-06-29 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Peter Mikapm...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Hmmm what happened to designing for the 80/20 case? Indeed, that and other issues (see below) Dan Brickley wrote: On 27/6/09 01:40, Peter Mika wrote: Hmm... what could possibly be the purpose of an hCard inside an

Re: [uf-discuss] Wanted: a pattern indicating a subsidiary-parent-company relationship

2009-06-15 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Mirko Gustonymirko.gust...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, does anyone know if there is a pattern for describing a subsidiary company to parent company relationship? Hi Mirko, I don't know of any patterns currently, but you're certainly asking in the right place.

Re: [uf-discuss] Any bettter way to do an include in hreview?

2009-06-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Elli Albek e...@sustainlane.com wrote: Hi Tantek. Link to a page with reviews: http://www.sustainlane.com/reviews/aziza/TVLWN4ZKQLKTOIKFLWKBWFQ17DN8 You can also look at Yelp. Similar page content. Thanks for the real world URL example - that helps a lot.

Re: [uf-discuss] Any bettter way to do an include in hreview?

2009-06-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Elli Albek e...@sustainlane.com wrote: Hi, We have the typical page with one business information on top and many reviews for that business on the page. Hi Elli, Could you provide a URL[1] to one of your typical pages with one business information on top and

[uf-discuss] Congrats to Kavi and team on their microformats implementation! Follow-up on examples

2009-05-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
Kavi and team, Well done with your implementation of microformats as part of Google's new rich snippets feature in search results! I encourage you to add an entry to the following wiki pages linking to your implementation description page: http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations

Re: [uf-discuss] Is this illegal? 1) dtends for yyyy or yyyy-mm. 2) Wikipedia vevents for birth and death.

2009-02-28 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, JMesserly swarm...@gmail.com wrote: I dropped a word- I meant to write   I will interpret lack of further responses to the two inquiries as acknowledgment that the techniques described are regarded as acceptable in the microformats community. JMesserly,

[uf-discuss] hCard slowing adoption of microformats?

2008-11-28 Thread Tantek Çelik
Originally sent as a private reply, though I had intended it for the list. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] hCard slowing adoption of microformats? Dan, I do know of several instances (since corrected so I won't name names) of

Re: [uf-discuss] Incorrect mention of the address element for hAtom entry author in the Wiki

2008-11-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Sarven Capadisli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hAtom Entry Author states an Entry Author element should be encoded in an address element [1]. This is misleading and in most cases an incorrect use

value excerption pattern brainstorming general appeal for issues (was Re: [uf-discuss] Appeal for Issues: Empty spans in value-excerption-pattern)

2008-11-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:53 AM, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. The value-excerption-pattern is an attempt to fully spec the class=value behaviour from tel in hCard, which has since been supported globally in some parsers for a while, and has proved somewhat useful. In addition

Re: [uf-discuss] hcard: additional additional names

2008-08-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael Michael Smethurst wrote: On 14/8/08 12:32, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/14, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: span class=family-name-prefixvan/span ... I've asked around and the label

Re: [uf-discuss] rel-ecolabel

2008-08-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page#Drafts rel-ecolabel http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-ecolabel - for indicating ecolabelled products/services/companies I didnt know there was such a thing! when did

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hCalendar for events in a table format

2008-03-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/5/08 2:17 AM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/3/5, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That would be contrary to Tantek's guidelines on the Wiki: | If the element is a table data cell td, then: | | 1. parse its headers attribute as a space separated set of local IDs | |

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: hCalendar for events in a table format

2008-03-05 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/5/08 5:02 AM, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, implied headers like this while lowering the barrier to entry for authors, would considerably raise the barrier for parsers -- mostly because of colspan and rowspan, which would be an absolute pain to handle. Speaking from

Re: [uf-discuss] hCalendar for events in a table format

2008-03-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 3/4/08 11:02 AM, Bob Jonkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an example of hCalendar in a table? The example link for Web Essentials 05 Session program on http://microformats.org/wiki/hcalendar-brainstorming is rotten (the domain we05.com has expired). In short, my question is:

[uf-discuss] hCard AGENT example parsing implications explained (was re: change ...)

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/08 7:14 AM, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: perhaps there was prior discussion and agreement that was just a long time ago? Have you searched the archives or asked Tantek directly? Yes, this is from a long time ago, may even predate microformats.org. It's not a change except in

[uf-discuss] need for mfo / encapsulation / forward-compatible parsing (was re: changes...)

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/7/08 10:08 AM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It invalidates the need for mfo in hcard, doesn't it? If it were applied to the rest of Microformats, it would invalidate the need for mfo entirely. This is one of the reasons mfo has not progressed much further than the examples given

[uf-discuss] [admin] please keep hAudio discussions on microformats-new

2008-02-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
Since hAudio is still much more of a new microformat in development rather than a current microformat that people are simply asking about how to use, please keep discussions about it on the microformats-new list. Thanks, Tantek ___

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Possible alternative methods for include

2008-02-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 2/3/08 4:34 AM, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Toby A Inkster wrote: The order of the space-delimited class attributes should be considered significant -- that is, in foo class=bar #baz the content referred to by #baz is logically included as the last child of the foo element,

Re: [uf-discuss] Digg joins DataPortability Project (Microformats mentioned)

2008-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/29/08 6:24 PM, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digg has joined the DataPortability[1] Project: http://blog.digg.com/?p=108 From the piece: Just this week, we added MicroID, a Microformat that lets you prove to other services that you own your Digg user profile. Since when

Re: [uf-discuss] Dublin Core as a microformat (was: Re: xfn and biographies)

2008-02-01 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/30/08 4:16 PM, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the only problem we'd be trying to solve in making a Dublin Core microformat? Simply taking an existing format (like Dublin core) and reusing its vocabulary as class names is insufficient to make a microformat. microformats are

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/8/08 6:47 AM, Christopher St John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 8:14 PM, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The distinction of properties, values, types, schema etc. are well documented computer science terms. Actually, in knowledge representation terms they're

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/8/08 12:08 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes properties!=values. types/schema are not just as much data. You seem to be making unsubstantiated assertions and arbitrary distinctions. Please stop making

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 11:52 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Jan 6, 2008, at 12:30 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I want to specify a work-related telephone number, but I

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 2:42 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077 Jan/abbr where 2008 is hidden? title attribute is displayed in tool-tips

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern. extended-address, street-address, locality, region - all just as much data in class attributes. properties!=values. types/schema are not just as much data. Tantek

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 4:01 PM, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: On 1/7/08 2:42 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In any case, how is that different from: abbr class=dtstart title=2008-01-077 Jan

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 4:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 1/7/08 3:46 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Data in the class attribute is a known anti-pattern. extended-address, street-address, locality, region

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/7/08 5:19 PM, Guillaume Lebleu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to avoid the meta discussion and go back to Kat's specific problem (she wants to specify a phone as work but without the content containing work or any of its abbreviations), maybe something that would work would be to have an

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: url and tel

2008-01-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/6/08 9:37 PM, Paul Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008 9:54 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nor should you replace 31 Dec 2007 with 2008-01-01, as is currently done in: abbr class=dtend title=2008-01-0131 Dec 2007/abbr I can't understand how anyone

[uf-discuss] web programmers vs web designers and microformats

2008-01-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/4/08 3:59 AM, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me quote here something from a friend (who's had a fair bit of success in small startups over the last few years) in response to my question why he wasn't using XFN + hCard for a project: | The biggest problem with microformats is

natural language hCards (was Re: [uf-discuss] web programmers vs web designers and microformats)

2008-01-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/4/08 2:23 PM, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 2:45 PM, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fact that hCard is *the* #1 format for publishing information about a person on the Web would seem to refute that. http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-supporting-user

Re: [uf-discuss] Montreal CodeFest 2008: Microformats

2008-01-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 1/4/08 2:50 PM, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jebus ... 14 hours notice. Would have loved to been there :-( Regards, etc... On 1/4/08, Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if it's come up before, but CodeFest 2008 in Montreal is concentrating on µF's. Our

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Precise Expansion Patterns

2007-12-15 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/15/07 4:39 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Paul, lets try and put that in the real world, My client has a music store with around 500 pages of content and around 10 to 20 items of hAudio on each page, My client want's their pages to validate and be accessible.. no problem

Re: Precise Expansion Patterns (was: Re: [uf-discuss] Hcalendar in bbc.co.uk/programmes)

2007-12-14 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/14/07 3:55 PM, Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 23:18 +, Martin McEvoy wrote: I do NOT however believe that machine data should be displayed in a people area such as @title, I think machine data can be stored elsewhere in a document such as in the head

Re: [uf-discuss] using microschema

2007-11-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/24/07 9:25 PM, Tatsuya Noyori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to suggest microschema to improve interoperability of microformats. Hi Tatsuya, There are two general areas of problems that your suggestion. The first is, what is the real world interoperability problem that you are

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Complete n00b: adr microformat

2007-11-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/19/07 4:14 PM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/11/19, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: div class=localitySurrey Hills, Sydney/div div span class=regionabbr title=New South WalesNSW/abbr/span span class=postal-code2010/span /div

Re: [uf-discuss] OBJECT Pattern Page Updated

2007-11-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/6/07 12:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a big edit, but the page was not in a good state and this needed doing. I ask that people take a little time to read the new version, compare it to the old and raise any remaining issues.

Re: [uf-discuss] OBJECT Pattern Page Updated

2007-11-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/6/07 8:34 AM, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, Following on somewhat from the messages last month regarding the OBJECT pattern I've updated the Wiki page (http://microformats.org/ wiki/include-pattern) quite substantially. Ben, this is a *tremendous* update, thanks very

Re: [uf-discuss] Complete n00b: adr microformat

2007-11-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/6/07 7:57 PM, Francois Lafortune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A1. I would propose locality for the suburb maybe and if you must specify city AND suburb in different tags then I dont see anything wrong with that, they are both class names and from the xhtml standpoint they can be re-used.

Re: [uf-discuss] Complete n00b: adr microformat

2007-11-06 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 11/6/07 7:20 PM, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday, I would like to ask a few questions about the adr microformat and I really hope I am in the correct place. I am so sorry if I am not. I am trying to learn about microformats, and so far so good. Q1. I have an address I would

Re: [uf-discuss] [admin] Notice of community ban

2007-10-18 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 10/18/07 8:03 PM, Steve Robillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe anyone else has been banned, but rather that Andy has been banned multiple times, and it appears to have had little effect. It did actually help for a while last time, as Andy's emails and behavior were certainly

Re: [uf-discuss] Optimus ‹ microformats parser

2007-09-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/20/07 4:47 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ack, of course not - I have it configured as a pseudo-newsgroup in my combined news mail client. Sorry. Nonetheless, the character is not rendering properly, here, at least - though it does render properly at:

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard: title or role

2007-09-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Sep 20, 2007 12:22 PM, Dimitri Glazkov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/20/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In hCard, should a job title like Head of Marketing be classed as title or role, or both? What's the difference? Off the top of my head: role = executive title =

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats presentation

2007-09-12 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/12/07 7:07 AM, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently gave a presentation at GeekUp Liverpool, I've posted the talk up [1] and added a link on the wiki. It was a fairly simple talk and I tried to focus on why you'd want to publish microformats, how they're going to be used in

Re: [uf-discuss] barcamp brighton

2007-09-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/9/07 7:11 AM, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do any of the uf guys at brighton right now have some uf stickers? can i please beg for some? :) Thom, find me, I may have a few remaining (as well as a few folded pocket cheat sheets). Tantek

Re: [uf-discuss] Microformats and title attribute parsing

2007-09-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
Re-routing parsing issue to microformats-dev. On 9/7/07 7:36 PM, Mike Kaply [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See: http://kidachi.kazuhi.to/blog/archives/002343.html I was disappointed with his comment - he means that Operator won't catch title attribute of span element in hCalendar as far as

Re: [uf-discuss] Third option?: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-09-07 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/7/07 8:25 AM, Ernest Prabhakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, On Sep 7, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Eric A. Meyer wrote: or 2) leave the specs where they are and create new -intro pages. I've seen [...] no one object to #2. Then you haven't been paying full attention. For those of us

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats UI in Firefox 3

2007-09-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 9/2/07 4:07 AM, Jamie Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hiya, I am not so sure that introducing an extra div / element is the way forward as it is requiring even more of the authors. I tend to agree with Jamie's assessment. I was under the impression that part of the idea behind

Re: [uf-discuss] hCite status and next steps

2007-09-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 8/31/07 1:17 PM, Jason Calabrese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to be using hCite in 1 of the products that I work on. Since it will be only used interally for now I'm not going to wait for it to become a recommended specification. I do plan to stay current though. It looks like

Re: [uf-discuss] Need for plain-language intros for each microformat

2007-08-30 Thread Tantek Çelik
Replying to several messages in this thread in one reply: On 8/29/07 9:05 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, August 29, 2007 16:40, Brian Suda wrote: On 8/29/07, Manu Sporny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Manu's post hasn't arrived here, yet; I think my ISP has server trouble.]

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Microformats in Google Maps

2007-08-02 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 8/2/07 8:34 AM, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-brainstorming#implied_adr_subproperties which strikes me as unworkable, being overly complex and not suitable for internationalisation (not just in non-English speaking

[uf-discuss] Discussion of public domain declaration template usage

2007-07-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 7/25/07 2:29 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made this edit in the light of Manu's well- intentioned, but misguided, request that changes be made to the template: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-July/010238.ht ml To be clear, such changes are

Re: [uf-discuss] Discussion of public domain declaration template usage

2007-07-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 7/25/07 4:21 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 7/25/07 2:29 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I made this edit in the light of Manu's well- intentioned, but misguided, request that changes be made

[uf-discuss] Mediawiki accesskey shortcut usage instructions

2007-07-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 7/25/07 2:29 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the same edit, Tantek restored instructions, such as use CTRL S to save, which I'd removed, which are OS and browser specific, on the basis that they help some people. Actually, ctrl-s/alt-s help *the vast majority of people* who

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Voluntary Public Domain declarations now enabled on the wiki

2007-07-20 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 7/20/07 4:35 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I applaud him for doing so; but, at the time of writing, copyright in both hCalendar and hCard is still claimed, in part, by Technorati, Inc., by virtue of their being one of the three listed authors, Technorati is not listed as an

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

2007-07-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/30/07 7:11 AM, Jeremy Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't believe that hCard needs to be extended to accommodate a date of death field. I think that we already have a microformat to deal with this use case; it just doesn't happen to be hCard. The dtend field in hCalendar seems like

Re: [uf-discuss] abbr and accessibility - a work around.

2007-07-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/25/07 12:39 PM, James Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies for not responding sooner. I've been working on a test case script for all of the possibilities listed on the assistive- technology-abbr-results pages, but side work always falls behind work work. snip

Re: [uf-discuss] Hidden metadata no microformats

2007-07-03 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 7/3/07 11:23 AM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Paul Wilkins wrote: You could try the FAQ. http://microformats.org/wiki/faq Where it says: Q. Given that Google now looks at hidden content as potential

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

2007-06-28 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/28/07 11:27 AM, Benjamin West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/28/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes For some of these I see quite a bit of utility (e.g. gender is often used in social network searches - an actual

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

2007-06-28 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/28/07 5:28 PM, Alex Faaborg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably none of us here is the right ones to decide something like this... Fair enough, several other people have made this point as well. We are always open to feedback about microformat detection in Firefox 3, so if anyone has

Re: [uf-discuss] wysiwyg editors and microformats

2007-06-25 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/25/07 10:39 AM, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: conversions of events to ics files with the technorati converter gave me files Outlook didn't understand. I know this is Outlook's fault, but to sell the idea of Microformats to people in charge of IT companies right now, we

[uf-discuss] include-pattern parsing

2007-06-21 Thread Tantek Çelik
redirecting parsing assertion to microformats-dev per mailing-list guidelines. On 6/20/07 8:17 PM, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the object tag to be used instead for the include pattern? given no, not given, not without a URL to documentation. the complexity it adds to

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Work-of-art/Tim Gambell

2007-06-08 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/8/07 2:21 AM, Toby A Inkster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Drake wrote: Could the Dublin core be converted into a microformat. In short no, however, it could be converted to POSH. Dublin Core is one of many citation-like previous formats, and thus best serves as source research for

Re: [uf-discuss] hListing and hReview

2007-06-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 6/4/07 7:59 AM, Taylor Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hReview and the proposed hListing are very similar, sharing structure and properties. They both use item and it seems logical that they should work exactly the same in that area...but they are just different enough to cause parsing

Re: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?

2007-05-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/9/07 10:53 AM, John Beales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we need to investigate is something like operator that works in page for microformats. I have thought about this, but it's not high on my list. Mike I'm going to try to see about making a favelet for IE that uses Brian Suda's

Re: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?

2007-05-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/9/07 11:17 AM, Brian Suda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/9/07, John Beales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we need to investigate is something like operator that works in page for microformats. I have thought about this, but it's not high on my list. Mike I'm going to try to see about

Live Clipboard (was Re: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?)

2007-05-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/8/07 6:08 PM, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this was the page mentioned a while back http://spaces.live.com/editorial/rayozzie/demo/liveclip/liveclipsample/clipboa rdexample.html Added to implementations page. http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations#Live_Clipboard

Re: [uf-discuss] uF Tools for Internet Explorer?

2007-05-09 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/8/07 2:39 PM, John Beales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have Operator Tails for Firefox, but the majority of users out there are still using IE, and if they could use something, even a bookmarklet, to export hCards from web pages Those certainly exist. it would make evangelizing a

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/3/07 7:10 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But to bring it back to the original argument, the routine extraction does not necessarily have to equate to data visible in, say, a tooltip. The routine extraction may well be mediated via some machine interpretation. May is

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
quote what you wrote in part or in full on microformats wiki? Thanks, Tantek On 5/3/07 6:18 PM, Al Gilman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:24 AM +0100 4 05 2007, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Tantek Çelik wrote: 2. Keep both copies of the data at least somewhat visible to humans so that at least

Re: [uf-discuss] human readable date parsing

2007-05-04 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 5/4/07 8:19 AM, James Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Copied the entire email below for context. Tantek, if you post this to the wiki, please note it as opinion and give a link to the thread. Marking this as fact would misrepresent the views of the Microformats group as a whole. I disagree

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