Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
Currently I use an hAtom+XOXO mix for search results on my pages, but I have found that hAtom works sufficently for most -- I just wasn't sure if this was a 'proper' use of it... but I figure it probably is since you can have RSS for search too... -- Singpolyma On 8/30/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks very possible. In particular, (1) according the article, Yahoo only returns its results in HTML, so we know HTML is good (2) one could add an extra field to the OpenSearch XML (a description file about how your results are returned) indicating that the file is hAtom (3) parties not understanding hAtom can just display HTML (4) parties wating to understand hAtom can do it themselves or use a webservice When I was at MashupCamp in January (Feb?) there was a guy from A9/OpenSearch very interested in mashup type applications and developer feedback so there's a door open for us. I'll also note that his WordPress integration problem will probably go away if we did this, as an independent XML-feed result will not have to be returned; Regards, etc... David http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com On 8/30/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Ted Drake wrote: It's slightly off topic, but I thought I'd share my latest post about how we added the OpenSearch protocol to the Yahoo! Tech site. This open protocol lets you define how your web site's search engine works and then activates the personal search box in IE7 and Firefox 2. It also helps the aggregating search engines, such as A9. http://www.last-child.com/add-opensearch-to-your-web-site/ Sorry if it is too off-topic. I'm not sure this is off-topic at all. I think OpenSearch solves a problem by extending RSS that microformats could solve by extending HTML, possibly hAtom specifically. The problem is identifying search results for reuse in aggregation, reformatting, etc. The use cases are obvious as there are plenty of applications that already reuse this type of data and could benefit from a standard format for already published search results (A9, OS X Sherlock, etc.), there's certainly no shortage of search results on the web to use as real- world examples from the general web searches to very narrow-focus searches, and between hAtom and OpenSearch, I suspect most of the work is already done. hSearch? ` Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- - Stephen Paul Weber, Amateur Writer http://www.awriterz.org MSN/GTalk/Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ/AIM: 103332966 NSA: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLOG: http://singpolyma-tech.blogspot.com/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:36 AM, David Janes wrote: The reason I think that (2) is needed is: (a) profiles are not manditory, so we can't depend on their presence (b) the search-results consumer, knowing that there is hAtom search results, may want not to read the URL at all (prefering a proxy to do it) (c) there is and will continue to be pages that have HTML but not hAtom So are you proposing an extension to OpenSearch to support hAtom; or that a MIME type is established for hAtom? //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 30, 2006, at 9:52 AM, David Janes wrote: I'm not sure how to be clearer: my first message in this thread suggests in point (2) add a single-field extension to OpenSearch XML; my second message says adding a MIME type is not the solution [1]. OK, so an extension to OpenSearch since OpenSearch currently uses MIME types to distinguish the type of a response. IMHO this is undesirable since it essentially makes opensearch treat microformats (hAtom) as a special case. But maybe I've got something wrong here with my understanding of OpenSearch. I just pinged people over on opensearch-discuss [1] to take a look at this thread so maybe more light is available. //Ed [1] http://opensearch.org/pipermail/discuss/2006-August/57.html ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 29, 2006, at 11:28 PM, David Janes wrote: (2) one could add an extra field to the OpenSearch XML (a description file about how your results are returned) indicating that the file is hAtom There are two problems here, and I think we should avoid approaching both at once. Just as a blog description was tabled until after hAtom, I think a search results description should be tabled until after there are microformat search results to be described. How exactly is Yahoo indicating which HTML is search results? That's not part of the OpenSearch standard as I'm reading it, and I don't see anything equivalent to OpenSearch's RSS and Atom syntaxes in Yahoo's HTML. Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
more light: http://wiki.unto.net/OpenSearch_and_microformats //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
I'm not sure if I understand the theory behind the twiki of OpenSearch and Microformats. Are you suggesting I modify the opensearch.xml file to include microformat values, so that when A9 and other search engines gather the content, they can insert the microformat into their results? A9 does not support HTML search pages at this time. I tried to register our OpenSearch with them and the response was that they only accept RSS and atom at this time. I haven't looked at hAtom yet. If I can add some microformatting to our search results, I'd be happy to try it. This is a sample product result from the search result page. Where would the OpenSearch/hAtom microformats be added? div class=product id=prod8 div class=prodTitle h4a href=/pr/apple-ipod-shuffle-512mb-mp3-player/1991675140 Apple iPod shuffle 512MB MP3 Player/a/h4 div class=ytcompareProductCheck label class=compareLabel for=a1991675140Select this product to be compared with others/labelinput class=ytcompProdCheckBox name=id id=a1991675140 value=1991675140 type=checkbox /div /div div class=ytImgThumbContainera href=/pr/apple-ipod-shuffle-512mb-mp3-player/1991675140 class=ytprodThumbLinkimg class=prodThumb src=http://f3c.yahoofs.com/shopping/mcid2_17104/simg_t_tcatalog_l_t19916751 401105478782jpg85?rm_Dy10zfXDq alt=/a/div div class=ytRatingsContainer ul class=ytratingsul li class=overall stars8 span title=Yahoo! Users gave this product 4.19 out of 5 stars for overall quality4.19/5 /spanb class=ytuserRatings559img src=/images/userratings.jpg alt=this product has user ratings/b /li li class=ytSpecInstalled Memory: 512 MB/li li class=ytSpecAudio Format: AAC, AIFF, MP3, WAV/li li class=ytSpecSystem Compatibility: Mac, PC/li /ul/div divul class=priceInfo li class=ytPrice span class=priceLow$66.49/span - span class=priceHigh$74.05/span in 6 stores/li li class=pricebuttona href=/pp/1991675140 class=ytbtncomppricesCompare Prices/a/li /ul /div Thanks for your help, I'd love to extend the OpenSearch and Microformatting as much as possible. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Summers Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:22 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch more light: http://wiki.unto.net/OpenSearch_and_microformats //Ed ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Ted Drake wrote: This is a sample product result from the search result page. Where would the OpenSearch/hAtom microformats be added? For the results section, you'd just be adding hAtom to the results, which someone more involved with hAtom would probably explain better than I. But to make an HTML version of OpenSearch, you'd also need to identify that those hAtom entries are search results part of a larger set. A quick one-to-one mapping of OpenSearch to HTML looks something like this: pResults span class=start-index21/span to 30 of span class=total-results423/span, span class=per-page10/ span per page./p input type=text class=search-terms value=New York History / That's taken from the example here: http://opensearch.a9.com/spec/1.1/response/#rss That's a slightly different format of information that can be inferred, but is not explicitly published on Yahoo! Tech. For example, I can see there are ten results per page, but that's not stated anywhere. And I can assume that page one starts at an index of 1, and page 2 at an index of 11, but that's also not published currently. The total results and search terms are already published, so they would just need class names to match the OpenSearch properties. And the difference between Yahoo's HTML and the OpenSearch properties (e.g. page vs. index, stated per-page vs. unstated) would need to be worked out through collecting more examples and seeing which is more representative of the implied schema for search results across the web. Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] OpenSearch
Hi All It's slightly off topic, but I thought I'd share my latest post about how we added the OpenSearch protocol to the Yahoo! Tech site. This open protocol lets you define how your web site's search engine works and then activates the personal search box in IE7 and Firefox 2. It also helps the aggregating search engines, such as A9. http://www.last-child.com/add-opensearch-to-your-web-site/ Sorry if it is too off-topic. Ted Drake Yahoo! Tech ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] OpenSearch
This looks very possible. In particular, (1) according the article, Yahoo only returns its results in HTML, so we know HTML is good (2) one could add an extra field to the OpenSearch XML (a description file about how your results are returned) indicating that the file is hAtom (3) parties not understanding hAtom can just display HTML (4) parties wating to understand hAtom can do it themselves or use a webservice When I was at MashupCamp in January (Feb?) there was a guy from A9/OpenSearch very interested in mashup type applications and developer feedback so there's a door open for us. I'll also note that his WordPress integration problem will probably go away if we did this, as an independent XML-feed result will not have to be returned; Regards, etc... David http://blogmatrix.blogmatrix.com On 8/30/06, Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 29, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Ted Drake wrote: It's slightly off topic, but I thought I'd share my latest post about how we added the OpenSearch protocol to the Yahoo! Tech site. This open protocol lets you define how your web site's search engine works and then activates the personal search box in IE7 and Firefox 2. It also helps the aggregating search engines, such as A9. http://www.last-child.com/add-opensearch-to-your-web-site/ Sorry if it is too off-topic. I'm not sure this is off-topic at all. I think OpenSearch solves a problem by extending RSS that microformats could solve by extending HTML, possibly hAtom specifically. The problem is identifying search results for reuse in aggregation, reformatting, etc. The use cases are obvious as there are plenty of applications that already reuse this type of data and could benefit from a standard format for already published search results (A9, OS X Sherlock, etc.), there's certainly no shortage of search results on the web to use as real- world examples from the general web searches to very narrow-focus searches, and between hAtom and OpenSearch, I suspect most of the work is already done. hSearch? ` Peace, Scott ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
