Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Hello Tim, On 17/08/2010 08:52, Tim's Trees wrote: Martin, Thank you for your detailed reply. I had hoped my site would be a comprehensive list of events within a certain category. Let us say Craft Fairs and because of the searching I would provide, a user could select all Craft Fairs in the Cornwall area for the next 12 months. If each event was an hCalendar, then they could right click to add all to a Google Calendar and publish that Google Calendar. If I had hoped to generate some sort of advertising revenue from my original site, then this would potentially dilute that income stream. Not necessarily, If your site was just publishing events, then that is no bad thing you can always provide advertising along side the event data, the hope is that you will attract *more* visitors because you have published your data in a "take away" format i.e. hCalendar. They could similarly data-scrape the page and reformat and publish, but that would be more difficult. Indeed So my fear was/is, am I making it too easy to acquire my lists or should I take it as a compliment and not worry. Making your events/lists easy to acquire is a good thing on the whole, by doing so you are not only making it easy for the average person to do something with your data, you are also making it easy for search engines to store your data and include in their listings. Other sites may also want to do something with your data, but again don't worry too much about that, unless they are copying your entire website of course ;) Its the nature off the web these days to syndicate/re-publish data somewhere else. I was also looking at doing something similar with hListing for a classifieds' site. Good Idea :) Many thanks again for your excellent reply. No problem. Martin McEvoy Tim On 16 August 2010 23:12, Martin McEvoy wrote: On 16/08/2010 19:24, Tim's Trees wrote: Thank you all for your full and quick replies. You are welcome You were right, the original was a complete mismatch of quotes and once I had fixed those it displayed in Chrome and Operator:Firefox. I apologise for not spotting that. :) I have noted the urls you have recommended and will investigate those first in future. I am wanting to create an event site and I had the idea, I should have my entries in hCalendar format, but I am now worrying, that it may be too easy to clone my site, with a right click. Do you have any opinions on this ? Im a little unsure of what you mean if you mean by cloning perhaps you mean spoofing? ( copying a website possibly for fraud such as phishing or email-spoofing ) it doesn't really happen *too* much in the real world unless your site is a bank or it offers online payments in some way (e.g. PayPal), In which case I wouldn't worry to much about that. Having said all that Social Networking sites (Facebook/MySpace) are becoming targets for these kind of attacks nowadays. If you are worried about people copy and pasting from your website, unless its copyrighted material, again don't worry too much, Id take that as a compliment, the majority of people who *do* copy and paste tend to be just learning. If its for anything else the stuff they are copying will never do them any good as far as search engines are concerned because *you* published the data *first*. Some search engines (google) will actually remove pages that contain duplicate content from their listings, or it will bury the duplicate content so deep in their listings that there is no way anyone will ever see it anyway. The rule of thumb concerning microformats is, If you use microformats on your website you can expect your data to be shared, crawled and Indexed by practically anything that can consume microformats, If you don't want this to happen, say because your data is private or something sensitive, then don't use microformats. Dont let that last part put you off though, sharing your data, particularly events and contact details, *is* a good thing. Hope all that helps rest your mind a little. Best wishes -- Martin McEvoy -- Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Martin, Thank you for your detailed reply. I had hoped my site would be a comprehensive list of events within a certain category. Let us say Craft Fairs and because of the searching I would provide, a user could select all Craft Fairs in the Cornwall area for the next 12 months. If each event was an hCalendar, then they could right click to add all to a Google Calendar and publish that Google Calendar. If I had hoped to generate some sort of advertising revenue from my original site, then this would potentially dilute that income stream. They could similarly data-scrape the page and reformat and publish, but that would be more difficult. So my fear was/is, am I making it too easy to acquire my lists or should I take it as a compliment and not worry. I was also looking at doing something similar with hListing for a classifieds' site. Many thanks again for your excellent reply. Tim On 16 August 2010 23:12, Martin McEvoy wrote: > On 16/08/2010 19:24, Tim's Trees wrote: >> >> Thank you all for your full and quick replies. > > You are welcome > >> You were right, the >> original was a complete mismatch of quotes and once I had fixed those >> it displayed in Chrome and Operator:Firefox. I apologise for not >> spotting that. > > :) > >> I have noted the urls you have recommended and will investigate those >> first in future. >> >> I am wanting to create an event site and I had the idea, I should have >> my entries in hCalendar format, but I am now worrying, that it may be >> too easy to clone my site, with a right click. Do you have any >> opinions on this ? > > Im a little unsure of what you mean if you mean by cloning perhaps you mean > spoofing? ( copying a website possibly for fraud such as phishing or > email-spoofing ) it doesn't really happen *too* much in the real world > unless your site is a bank or it offers online payments in some way (e.g. > PayPal), In which case I wouldn't worry to much about that. Having said all > that Social Networking sites (Facebook/MySpace) are becoming targets for > these kind of attacks nowadays. > > If you are worried about people copy and pasting from your website, unless > its copyrighted material, again don't worry too much, Id take that as a > compliment, the majority of people who *do* copy and paste tend to be just > learning. If its for anything else the stuff they are copying will never do > them any good as far as search engines are concerned because *you* published > the data *first*. Some search engines (google) will actually remove pages > that contain duplicate content from their listings, or it will bury the > duplicate content so deep in their listings that there is no way anyone will > ever see it anyway. > > The rule of thumb concerning microformats is, If you use microformats on > your website you can expect your data to be shared, crawled and Indexed by > practically anything that can consume microformats, If you don't want this > to happen, say because your data is private or something sensitive, then > don't use microformats. Dont let that last part put you off though, sharing > your data, particularly events and contact details, *is* a good thing. > > Hope all that helps rest your mind a little. > > Best wishes > > -- > Martin McEvoy > > ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
On 16/08/2010 19:24, Tim's Trees wrote: Thank you all for your full and quick replies. You are welcome You were right, the original was a complete mismatch of quotes and once I had fixed those it displayed in Chrome and Operator:Firefox. I apologise for not spotting that. :) I have noted the urls you have recommended and will investigate those first in future. I am wanting to create an event site and I had the idea, I should have my entries in hCalendar format, but I am now worrying, that it may be too easy to clone my site, with a right click. Do you have any opinions on this ? Im a little unsure of what you mean if you mean by cloning perhaps you mean spoofing? ( copying a website possibly for fraud such as phishing or email-spoofing ) it doesn't really happen *too* much in the real world unless your site is a bank or it offers online payments in some way (e.g. PayPal), In which case I wouldn't worry to much about that. Having said all that Social Networking sites (Facebook/MySpace) are becoming targets for these kind of attacks nowadays. If you are worried about people copy and pasting from your website, unless its copyrighted material, again don't worry too much, Id take that as a compliment, the majority of people who *do* copy and paste tend to be just learning. If its for anything else the stuff they are copying will never do them any good as far as search engines are concerned because *you* published the data *first*. Some search engines (google) will actually remove pages that contain duplicate content from their listings, or it will bury the duplicate content so deep in their listings that there is no way anyone will ever see it anyway. The rule of thumb concerning microformats is, If you use microformats on your website you can expect your data to be shared, crawled and Indexed by practically anything that can consume microformats, If you don't want this to happen, say because your data is private or something sensitive, then don't use microformats. Dont let that last part put you off though, sharing your data, particularly events and contact details, *is* a good thing. Hope all that helps rest your mind a little. Best wishes -- Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Thank you all for your full and quick replies. You were right, the original was a complete mismatch of quotes and once I had fixed those it displayed in Chrome and Operator:Firefox. I apologise for not spotting that. I have noted the urls you have recommended and will investigate those first in future. I am wanting to create an event site and I had the idea, I should have my entries in hCalendar format, but I am now worrying, that it may be too easy to clone my site, with a right click. Do you have any opinions on this ? Tim On Aug 16, 2010 5:09pm, Martin McEvoy wrote: > Hello Tim, > > > > On 16/08/2010 13:59, Tim's Trees wrote: > > > I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be > > recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with > > the normal microformat extensions. > > > > Other microformats I have tried were recognised. > > > > The offending code is > > > > > > http://www.zvents.com/fort-worth-tx/events/show/79634462″> > > Big Bad Voodoo Daddy > > > > > > Musical Performance featuring Big Bad Voodoo > > Daddy > > > > http://www.zvents.com/fort-worth-tx/venues/show/35132″ > > class=”url fn org” only_path=”false”>Bass Performance Hall > > > > Fort Worth > > TX > > 4th and Calhoun Streets > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like you have some mixed quotes "" in there, if I copy and paste > your example into notepad nothing seems to be amiss but if you paste into > something else say dreamweaver or notepad2 you start to see the problem :) > try validating. > > > > You can validate fragments of html at > http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input+with_options , check validate html > fragment, you will see what the problem is. > > > > Microform.at has a transformer that transforms microformat fragments by > direct input http://microform.at/direct/ which is useful for trying new > markup, test before you publish ;) > > > > Hope all that helps, good luck. > > > > -- > > Martin McEvoy > > > ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Hello Tim, On 16/08/2010 13:59, Tim's Trees wrote: I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with the normal microformat extensions. Other microformats I have tried were recognised. The offending code is http://www.zvents.com/fort-worth-tx/events/show/79634462″> Big Bad Voodoo Daddy Musical Performance featuring Big Bad Voodoo Daddy http://www.zvents.com/fort-worth-tx/venues/show/35132″ class=”url fn org” only_path=”false”>Bass Performance Hall Fort Worth TX 4th and Calhoun Streets It looks like you have some mixed quotes "" in there, if I copy and paste your example into notepad nothing seems to be amiss but if you paste into something else say dreamweaver or notepad2 you start to see the problem :) try validating. You can validate fragments of html at http://validator.w3.org/#validate_by_input+with_options , check validate html fragment, you will see what the problem is. Microform.at has a transformer that transforms microformat fragments by direct input http://microform.at/direct/ which is useful for trying new markup, test before you publish ;) Hope all that helps, good luck. -- Martin McEvoy ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Tim's Trees wrote: > I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be > recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with > the normal microformat extensions. Other microformats I have tried > were recognised. The offending code is I was able to get Operator to acknowledge the microformat in your sample. One thing that I did notice is that it didn't work until I corrected the 'fancy' quotes around your URL to simple 'straight' quotes. I don't know if the 'fanciness'(i.e. typographic quotes with different characters for close and open) was inserted by your email client or if it was present in your original source-code, but it's something you might like to check. By the way, my understanding is that setting 'display: none' on microformatted data will probably be frowned on. I don't think it's the cause of your problem (although I suppose an extension could assume that 'display: none' indicated that the author didn't want a piece of data to be taken into account) but if my reading of: http://microformats.org/wiki/principles is correct, hiding microformatted data is discouraged. Angus ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
Tim, most user-agent tools ignore hidden elements... So remove the display: none; and try again. :) Cheers, André Luís On 16 August 2010 14:46, Brian Suda wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tim's Trees > wrote: >> I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be >> recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with >> the normal microformat extensions. > > do you have a URL so that others can test it as well? > > -brian > > > -- > brian suda > http://suda.co.uk > ___ > microformats-discuss mailing list > microformats-discuss@microformats.org > http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss > ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Trying to learn microformats
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tim's Trees wrote: > I came across the following script, but I can not get it to be > recognised as a microformat, by my browsers Chrome and Firefox, with > the normal microformat extensions. do you have a URL so that others can test it as well? -brian -- brian suda http://suda.co.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
