Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread Steffen Kaiser
On Sat, 13 May 2006, netguy wrote: reply and/or voice their opinions, thanks. I did not ever get a definitive answer so I figured that I was treading on new ground; sorta. It seems to me Hmm, these is something you should keep in mind that postmaster@ and abuse@ are to be available in

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Thanks! This is great info! Regards, KAM - Original Message - From: Jan Pieter Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mimedefang@lists.roaringpenguin.com Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:48:42PM -0400, Kevin A.

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread netguy
Hi all [snip] It was described in a now-expired ietf document draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt, still available at: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt This does not answer the question of how to stop spammers from using network resources. So that is probably very

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 07:43, netguy wrote: It was described in a now-expired ietf document draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt, still available at: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt This does not answer the question of how to stop spammers from using network

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread Steffen Kaiser
On Mon, 15 May 2006, netguy wrote: This does not answer the question of how to stop spammers from using network resources. So that is probably very wishfull thinking but if another avenue could be taken away from them... Spam is sent to domain.tld WITHOUT checking MX records. Dunno what's

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread John Rudd
On May 15, 2006, at 6:01 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 07:43, netguy wrote: It was described in a now-expired ietf document draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt, still available at: http://ietfreport.isoc.org/all-ids/draft-delany-nullmx-00.txt This does not answer the question of how

Re: [Mimedefang] DNS and MX records

2006-05-15 Thread Les Mikesell
On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 09:43, John Rudd wrote: This does not answer the question of how to stop spammers from using network resources. So that is probably very wishfull thinking but if another avenue could be taken away from them... Spam is sent to domain.tld WITHOUT checking MX records.

[Mimedefang] Hacking in authenticated local submissions

2006-05-15 Thread Philip Prindeville
I'm using port 465 and SSL for local submissions, and I'd like to tweak either Mdf or SA (or both) so that if I forward (for instance) a copy of a spam to someone outside, that I in turn don't get my message rejected because it looks like spam. Now, why isn't trusted_networks taking effect?

[Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Kelson
David F. Skoll wrote: (although it does have one, to catch people who are too lazy to type www. into their browsers.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usually, domain.tld would be the same as www.domain.tld, registered for those too lazy to type www. as part of the address. Of course marketing

Re: [Mimedefang] Hacking in authenticated local submissions

2006-05-15 Thread Matthew Schumacher
Philip Prindeville wrote: I'm using port 465 and SSL for local submissions, and I'd like to tweak either Mdf or SA (or both) so that if I forward (for instance) a copy of a spam to someone outside, that I in turn don't get my message rejected because it looks like spam. Now, why isn't

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread WBrown
Kelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/15/2006 01:41:17 PM: The only real use for the www. prefix is as a visual cue indicating that the address refers to a website. It's shorter and more aesthetically pleasing than http:// It's certainly not easy in speech. double-u double-u double-u dot

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Rob MacGregor
On 5/15/06, Kelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David F. Skoll wrote: (although it does have one, to catch people who are too lazy to type www. into their browsers.) ---SNIP--- Am I the only one who finds this talk of lazy users a bit... I don't know, condescending? (Admittedly, this is on a

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Ben Kamen
As a sidenote, I do remember reading (although I can't remember where) that it's considered bad form to assign an IP address to a domain. IP's should be assigned to hosts... Anyone else ever read that? I can't remember if it was an RFC or what. -Ben -- Ben Kamen - O.D.T., S.P.

RE: [Mimedefang] Hacking in authenticated local submissions

2006-05-15 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Philip Prindeville wrote: Do we want to change the line: if ($Features{SpamAssassin}) { in mimedefang-filter, for instance, to skip this check if $auth_authen is valid? Yup. http://www.mimedefang.com/kwiki/index.cgi?SMTPAuth David, perhaps the synthesize_received_header could add an

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rife
On 15 May 2006 at 10:41, Kelson wrote: Really, the only reason websites tend to be named www.example.com these days is tradition. Well, yes. That's the tradition for the *default* website for a domain. Other websites at that domain may have different hostnames. Almost every major domain

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Kelson
Jeff Rife wrote: The only real use for the www. prefix is as a visual cue indicating that the address refers to a website. No, it's because it's not store.domain.tld (where you buy stuff from the company) or support.domain.tld (where they provide support info), etc. I'm not talking about

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Rife
On 15 May 2006 at 12:06, Kelson wrote: No, it's because it's not store.domain.tld (where you buy stuff from the company) or support.domain.tld (where they provide support info), etc. I'm not talking about www vs. other hostnames -- I'm talking about www vs. the plain domain name.

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread Peter P. Benac
I run an Apache Web Server. When I create a virtual domain I add both the ServerName and ServerAlias directives to each. I know IIS has a similar convention. Is it a lazy user or a lazy admin? My $.02 for what it's worth!! Pete Am I the only one who finds this talk of lazy users a bit... I

Re: [Mimedefang] OT: www. and lazy users (was Re: DNS and MX records)

2006-05-15 Thread John Rudd
On May 15, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Peter P. Benac wrote: I run an Apache Web Server. When I create a virtual domain I add both the ServerName and ServerAlias directives to each. I know IIS has a similar convention. Is it a lazy user or a lazy admin? Lazy user. Because it's not about typing,

Re: [Mimedefang] Hacking in authenticated local submissions

2006-05-15 Thread Philip Prindeville
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Prindeville wrote: Do we want to change the line: if ($Features{SpamAssassin}) { in mimedefang-filter, for instance, to skip this check if $auth_authen is valid? Yup. http://www.mimedefang.com/kwiki/index.cgi?SMTPAuth Thanks. Should that be