Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-18 Thread Theodore Tso
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:29:48AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Now if they'd fix the copyright message to only mention Reyk all would be good. It *does* mention Reyk, if you would bother to look. The thing which Theo is kvetching about, and which apparently is enough to cause the *BSD

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 01:18:05PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: So for code which is single-licensed under a BSD license, someone can create a new derived work, and redistribute it under a more restrictive license --- either one as restrictive as NetApp's (where no one is allowed to get

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:55:54PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: Wohoho! Slow here please. NDA have nothing to do with licenses and especially with copyright. NetApp even though their stuff is under their copyright and license does hopefully not modify the copyrights of imported BSD/ISC code.

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 08:20:39AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: Theodore Tso writes: Now, you don't need a licence from the original author to use the derived work. The author of the derived work only needs a licence from the original author to create a derived work. Do you think

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:23:41PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote: Because they put their copyright plus license on code that they barely modified. If they would have added substantial work into the OpenHAL code and by doing that creating something new I would not say much. Number 1, some of the

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-17 Thread Theodore Tso
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 03:06:37PM -0700, Can E. Acar wrote: The only remaining issue is whether Nick Jiri have enough original contributions to the code to be added to the Copyright. I believe this needs to be resolved between Reyk and Nick and Jiri. The main reason of Theo's message,

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Theodore Tso
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 10:39:26PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: The most questionable legal advice in this thread was by Theo de Raadt who claimed choosing one licence for _dual-licenced_ code was illegal... JFTR, I do *not* think that that assessment was questionable. Unless the

Re: Wasting our Freedom

2007-09-16 Thread Theodore Tso
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 02:17:53AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: Look at what you are saying from a different perspective. Let's say someone took the linux kernel source from the official repository, removed the GPL license and dedicated the work to public domain or put it under any other