Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-05-01 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Artur Grabowski wrote: Simple, I trust the people I drink beer with. Do they have to be drinking beer too? :) -- [100~Plax]sb16i0A2172656B63616820636420726568746F6E61207473754A[dZ1!=b]salax

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-05-01 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Tuesday, May 1, 2007 at 00:04:06 +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: This is just an idea, and might well be completely retarded/wrong, but: Unless I am mistaken, the reason that compiling the same binary twice yields different results is that gcc adds some randomness (barring special circumstance

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-05-01 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 10:36:08PM +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote: On Tuesday, May 1, 2007 at 00:04:06 +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: This is just an idea, and might well be completely retarded/wrong, but: Unless I am mistaken, the reason that compiling the same binary twice yields different

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-30 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Sunday, April 29, 2007 at 09:06:28 +0200, Johan Linner wrote: A great initiative! I have tried the i386 stable-build and it is working as expected. I will definately have use for your work, can't wait for the first patch to the 4.1 release ;) Thanks for the feedback. Nice to know that at

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-30 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 04:21:34PM +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote: On Sunday, April 29, 2007 at 02:35:06 +0100, mal content wrote: I'm extremely interested in binary updates as I don't yet have the resources to put together a build server and compiling updates in qemu is very painful. Until

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-29 Thread Johan Linner
Maurice Janssen skrev: On Thursday, April 19, 2007 at 23:45:51 +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote: Some progress was made in the last couple of days. First results are up at ftp://ftp.su.se/pub/mirrors/openbsd_stable/ I hope to add amd64, alpha and hppa in the near future. I don't have the

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-29 Thread Artur Grabowski
mal content [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: trust On a related note, what is the OpenBSD project's criteria for trust in matters such as this? Simple, I trust the people I drink beer with. //art

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-28 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Thursday, April 19, 2007 at 23:45:51 +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote: Some progress was made in the last couple of days. First results are up at ftp://ftp.su.se/pub/mirrors/openbsd_stable/ I hope to add amd64, alpha and hppa in the near future. I don't have the hardware to build other

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-28 Thread Rico Secada
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:35:06 +0100 mal content [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28/04/07, Maurice Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, April 19, 2007 at 23:45:51 +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote: Some progress was made in the last couple of days. First results are up at

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-19 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Tuesday, April 10, 2007 at 01:43:56 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I have noticed that the OpenBSD team puts a lot of emphasis on using binary packets rather than building from ports, which I think IMHO is good, but why is it that there is no binary kernel updates, rather than

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/15 03:41, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: (As an aside, how often do you update your -current systems varies; main desktop/laptop and any boxes I use when I'm working on anything to do with ports, fairly often. other machines - generally when there's a fix that I want or when there's

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-16 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/15 03:41, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: (As an aside, how often do you update your -current systems varies; main desktop/laptop and any boxes I use when I'm working on anything to do with ports, fairly often. other machines -

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Friday, April 13, 2007 at 17:21:14 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Maurice Janssen wrote: On Friday, April 13, 2007 at 15:16:41 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: If there was a real concrete effort, not just the usual vapor ware, I would/could offer hosting in Equinix peering point, for downloading

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Saturday, April 14, 2007 at 07:43:06 +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: My company has to provide -stable base system and especially packages on at least i386 for it's customers. We have a fan-out box to which customer systems connect (the PKG_PATH points to it). This works really nice an we can

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
I just skimmed this whole thread and I am wondering about a couple of things. It appears that all of you are talking about basically following the instructions for release(8) and just providing the generated files for people. Is that correct? If the above is true, I can also assist with

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Marc Balmer
Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: I just skimmed this whole thread and I am wondering about a couple of things. It appears that all of you are talking about basically following the instructions for release(8) and just providing the generated files for people. Is that correct? That is not enough. You

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/04/15 02:37, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: The original poster seemed to be asking more about an incremental update system. Maybe that's the wrong term but something along the lines of the name-your-favorite-linux-distribution setup. An example might be yum in CentOS (and others) or

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Apr 15, 2007, at 3:05 AM, Marc Balmer wrote: Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: I just skimmed this whole thread and I am wondering about a couple of things. It appears that all of you are talking about basically following the instructions for release(8) and just providing the generated files

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-15 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
On Apr 15, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2007/04/15 02:37, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: The original poster seemed to be asking more about an incremental update system. Maybe that's the wrong term but something along the lines of the name-your-favorite-linux-distribution setup. An

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Maurice Janssen wrote: On Tuesday, April 10, 2007 at 11:36:08 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: We have stated this numerous times, but maybe it's not easy to find in the archives because there is no obvious subject: not enough resources. Binary updates for the whole system would be desireable, but we

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread Maurice Janssen
On Friday, April 13, 2007 at 15:16:41 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: If there was a real concrete effort, not just the usual vapor ware, I would/could offer hosting in Equinix peering point, for downloading binaries, That's in the US? Is that OK with regard to export restrictions? Not to put

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Maurice Janssen wrote: On Friday, April 13, 2007 at 15:16:41 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: If there was a real concrete effort, not just the usual vapor ware, I would/could offer hosting in Equinix peering point, for downloading binaries, That's in the US? Is that OK with regard to export

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread Rico Secada
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:16:41 -0400 Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to put the burning on anyone here, but if that was going to be done, I would love to be sure it is done properly, meaning with some guidance of devs to follow the same standard as the project if possible. Any

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread viq
On 13/04/07, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maurice Janssen wrote: On Friday, April 13, 2007 at 15:16:41 -0400, Daniel Ouellet wrote: If there was a real concrete effort, not just the usual vapor ware, I would/could offer hosting in Equinix peering point, for downloading binaries,

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-13 Thread Marc Balmer
Maurice Janssen wrote: On Tuesday, April 10, 2007 at 11:36:08 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: We have stated this numerous times, but maybe it's not easy to find in the archives because there is no obvious subject: not enough resources. Binary updates for the whole system would be desireable, but we

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-10 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:43:56AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I have noticed that the OpenBSD team puts a lot of emphasis on using binary packets rather than building from ports, which I think IMHO is good, but why is it that there is no binary kernel updates, rather than

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-10 Thread Rico Secada
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:43:56 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all for the kind and enlightening answers. When I read that it was mainly due to lack of people and so, and not because that it was a bad idea, I then hope OpenBSD will keep expanding, and one day have all the resources which

Re: Binary kernel and base update

2007-04-09 Thread Steve Shockley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD has really made a cool solution with pkg_add -u, but why not kernel and basesystem binary updates as well? You can do binary updates. On your build machine just update to -stable and do make release, then upgrade your machines.