Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Andres Perera wrote: > sorry, but i never sold nm as the sole step granting immunity. i > explicitly presented it as an example. nevertheless, the full list of > things i do do not cover all of possible changes you pointed out. i > constructed it in a way that also

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
sorry, but i never sold nm as the sole step granting immunity. i explicitly presented it as an example. nevertheless, the full list of things i do do not cover all of possible changes you pointed out. i constructed it in a way that also works with snapshots: diff include/sys/syscall{args,}.h with

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > all of the calls in syscalls.master map to a unique function, and all > of them start with sys_. it's true that nm won't tell me about > argument changes. i just risk it a little by assuming no one's that > evil Okay, granted nm will tell yo

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
and that will be an exception that i'll have to deal with, which is entirely reasonable given that they rarely do change another rare exception i could skirt around would be white space changes that would deter me from diffing syscalls.master instead of `nm /bsd` during automation, but the problem

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Philip Guenther
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > all of the calls in syscalls.master map to a unique function, and all > of them start with sys_. it's true that nm won't tell me about > argument changes. i just risk it a little by assuming no one's that > evil Heh. *Yesterday* tedu asked

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
since packages are done in synch with snapshots, i do not use the trees because i rather use packages it's not clear whether or not changes in snapshots are allowed to make the packages incompatible with what you find in the repositories. perhaps i would be able to retract what i said as silly (an

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
all of the calls in syscalls.master map to a unique function, and all of them start with sys_. it's true that nm won't tell me about argument changes. i just risk it a little by assuming no one's that evil On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM,

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Luis Useche
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:41, eagir...@cox.net wrote: > >> What may be a slightly faster method of tracking close to current: >> >> http://www.tedunangst.com/snapper.html >> >> I haven't used it in a while, because I used to build the kernel

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 21:41, eagir...@cox.net wrote: > What may be a slightly faster method of tracking close to current: > > http://www.tedunangst.com/snapper.html > > I haven't used it in a while, because I used to build the kernel with NTFS > support, and never got back to using it after th

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread eagirard
At 2012-06-20 0:00:21, Tony Sidaway wrote: Summary: I want to turn my main system into a semi-automatic follower of "-current" and I think this strategy may useful to the project. Is this something that is already being done? My rationale here is that it's a good thing for OpenBSD users who have

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote: > Summary: I want to turn my main system into a semi-automatic follower > of "-current" and I think this strategy may useful to the project. Is > this something that is already being done? That's more or less what the snapshot process is, excep

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
> never mind the premise that snapshots contain changes not found in the > trees, you state things to the effect of "user chooses wether or not > to reboot to new kernel". didn't even bother; e.g., comparing nm > outputs well, hang on. quite often those diffs in snapshots are not yet commited for

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > didn't even bother; e.g., comparing nm > outputs Er, what are you expecting to divine by comparing nm output?

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Andres Perera
ultimately naive/incomplete approach never mind the premise that snapshots contain changes not found in the trees, you state things to the effect of "user chooses wether or not to reboot to new kernel". didn't even bother; e.g., comparing nm outputs

Re: Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Tony, Tony Sidaway wrote on Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 01:00:21AM +0100: > Summary: I want to turn my main system into a semi-automatic follower > of "-current" and I think this strategy may useful to the project. Is > this something that is already being done? No. The main reason being that follo

Following -current through a semi-automatic process: a strategy for encouraging user involvement?

2012-06-19 Thread Tony Sidaway
Summary: I want to turn my main system into a semi-automatic follower of "-current" and I think this strategy may useful to the project. Is this something that is already being done? My rationale here is that it's a good thing for OpenBSD users who have the technical skills to follow development a