2013/1/14 Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com:
You need to understand that people asking question here have no idea
about the marvellous man pages in OpenBSD and they never will (because
then they would not be asking in the first place).
Then they haven't read afterboot(8).
Best
Martin
PS:
2013/1/14 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de:
PS: apropos should be mentioned in afterboot(8).
The first command in afterboot mentioned is help.
The first paragraph of help(1) goes:
Type man man for instructions on how to use it properly. Pay
especially close attention to the -k option.
Why? apropos should be known by any UNIX user.
The level of acceptable ignorance in the UNIX community is staggering.
This is not the 'old' days of 1990 where there was no documentation
and UNIX wisdom was passed on by sage UNIX wizards to young
apprentices. It is very unfortunate that Linux has
And if you stay on these lists long enough you WILL be
insulted by Theo. That's just a fact of life. Deal with it.
Hell, he even managed to insult Nick.
Where are the insults? In every single post he was able to make his
point. Yeah, maybe it was very acid, but never rude or focused on
My apologies to all; I didn't mean to be trolling or rude back to those
helpful on the list.
I believe you.
I just felt off putting comments like let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you are
not the right way to treat those who support your projects.
The project cannot be held responsible for
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Mihai Popescu mih...@gmail.com wrote:
My apologies to all; I didn't mean to be trolling or rude back to those
helpful on the list.
I believe you.
I just felt off putting comments like let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you
are not the right way to treat those
I have an OpenBSD 5.1 installed + a cable from my ISP. I have the
username/password for the PPPoE connection, but how can I configure
the connection to be permanent? (I have 1 interface on the machine.)
Hi,
Le 13/01/2013 19:37, Random, Eyes a écrit :
I have an OpenBSD 5.1 installed + a cable from my ISP. I have the
username/password for the PPPoE connection, but how can I configure
the connection to be permanent? (I have 1 interface on the machine.)
man 4 pppoe is the way to go.
2013/1/13 Random, Eyes randome...@postafiok.hu:
I have an OpenBSD 5.1 installed + a cable from my ISP. I have the
username/password for the PPPoE connection, but how can I configure
the connection to be permanent? (I have 1 interface on the machine.)
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=openbsd+pppoe
--
On Jan 13, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Michał Markowski markows...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/1/13 Random, Eyes randome...@postafiok.hu:
I have an OpenBSD 5.1 installed + a cable from my ISP. I have the
username/password for the PPPoE connection, but how can I configure
the connection to be permanent? (I
Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com writes:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of
thing. I mean the first hit is the man page, and apparently it's very
hard for some people to get over such additional hurdles.
[Sun Jan 13 19:41:39] peter@deeperthought:~$ apropos
2013/1/13 Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of thing
Well, there is apropos(1). :)
--
Michał Markowski
...@gmail.com
Date:
To: Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: How to configure pppoe client on OpenBSD?
2013/1/13 Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of thing
Well, there is apropos(1
Jay Jennings l...@equineform.com writes:
Rudeness is why people find openbsd hard for newbies; and potentially
new funders of the projects and buyers of cds and merchandise.
As a 5 year user ... apropos is a new page for me too.
In this case I'd call it 'terseness' rather than 'rudeness',
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:42:37PM +0100, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
Jay Jennings l...@equineform.com writes:
Rudeness is why people find openbsd hard for newbies; and potentially
new funders of the projects and buyers of cds and merchandise.??
As a 5 year user ... apropos is a new
Would it help to put a link to so called FAQ in the right on the first
page of www? Perhaps just below the T-shirts and posters, reading Here
you can find help about your questions and for installing.
New for me is the basements machines picture ... it looks awesome.
Le 13/01/2013 21:48, Mihai Popescu a écrit :
Would it help to put a link to so called FAQ in the right on the first
page of www? Perhaps just below the T-shirts and posters, reading Here
you can find help about your questions and for installing.
New for me is the basements machines picture ...
Mihai Popescu mih...@gmail.com writes:
Would it help to put a link to so called FAQ in the right on the first
page of www?
Well, there already is one FAQ link from the front page, under the
OpenBSD Resources heading. Would adding another link to the dead
center of the page help? I honestly
On 2013-01-13, Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com wrote:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of thing.
There is - post the question to misc@!
Or if there only was a way to search in man pages. :)
But you'd half to read the manual for man(1) to learn all about
... apropos is a new page for me too.
Thank you for the suggestion.Â
Original message
From: MichaÅ Markowski markows...@gmail.com
Date:
To: Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com
Cc: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: How to configure pppoe client on OpenBSD?
2013/1/13 Franco
@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: How to configure pppoe client on OpenBSD?
2013/1/13 Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of thing
Well, there is apropos(1). :)
--
Michał Markowski
--
Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict
I've
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013, at 02:26 PM, Jay Jennings wrote:
Rudeness is why people find openbsd hard for newbies; and potentially new
funders of the projects and buyers of cds and merchandise.
Jay is the rude person here.
Someone helps him, and he insults them.
The world would be better off
My apologies to all; I didn't mean to be trolling or rude back to those
helpful on the list.
I just felt off putting comments like
let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you are not the right way to treat those
who support your projects.
A response back like: check the man pages, check the faqs,
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:26:32AM -0800, Jay Jennings wrote:
Rudeness is why people find openbsd hard for newbies; and potentially new
funders of the projects and buyers of cds and merchandise.??
As a 5 year user ... apropos is a new page for me too.
I prefer typing man -k, but whatever
My apologies to all; I didn't mean to be trolling or rude back to those
helpful on the list.
I just felt off putting comments like
let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you are not the right way to treat those
who support your projects.
How do you, specifically, support our projects? Must be pretty
On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:28 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote:
On 2013-01-13, Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com wrote:
There should be a let-me-find-that-man-page-for-you for that sort of thing.
There is - post the question to misc@!
Or if there only was a way to search in man
2013/1/14 Franco Fichtner slash...@gmail.com:
You need to understand that people asking question here have no idea
about the marvellous man pages in OpenBSD and they never will (because
then they would not be asking in the first place). If it weren't for
jmc@'s love for tweaking man pages I'd
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Oh, and read BOOKS. Not just the Internet.
And if you stay on these lists long enough you WILL be
insulted by Theo. That's just a fact of life. Deal with it.
Hell, he even managed to insult Nick.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013, at 12:26 AM, list wrote:
My
On 2013 Jan 14 (Mon) at 08:17:08 +0100 (+0100), Franco Fichtner wrote:
:Teaching is hard, but being impatient and judgmental on people asking
:questions is not the way, especially on an open mailing list. Having
:'annoying' questions pop up again and again is an opportunity to do
:something
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