Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-21 Thread lists
Mon, 21 Nov 2016 18:41:10 +0100 Kamil Cholewiński > On Mon, 21 Nov 2016, trondd wrote: > > If you want the MOTD to be aimed at users who may not have much Unix > > knowledge yet, then the sysadmin can change it to whatever makes sense for > > their

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-21 Thread Kamil Cholewiński
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016, trondd wrote: > If you want the MOTD to be aimed at users who may not have much Unix > knowledge yet, then the sysadmin can change it to whatever makes sense for > their environment. Consider the first-time user experience for a person that just

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-21 Thread trondd
On Mon, November 21, 2016 12:07 pm, Kenneth Gober wrote: > > If a novice user doesn't know about the "help" command Who is this MOTD for? The default text seems to be aimed at sysadmins who should already have some knowledge of Unix and how to find man pages and such, but may not know how to

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-21 Thread Kenneth Gober
On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: > Filling the terminal isn't really a major issue though is it? > Terminals do scroll after all Framebuffer consoles don't. Although they're a bit larger than 80x24 so it matters less. If a novice user doesn't know

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-19 Thread Gareth Nelson
Filling the terminal isn't really a major issue though is it? Terminals do scroll after all --- “Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” - Printcrime by Cory Doctrow Please avoid sending me

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-19 Thread Chad Dougherty
On 2016-11-19 16:43, Stuart Henderson wrote: To even get to the point of reading motd, a new user is going to already need to have found documentation. I can think of several examples where that's not true. Filling 2/3 of an 80x24 terminal at login by default seems quite a lot especially

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-11-19, Chad Dougherty wrote: > I've been using OpenBSD since version 2.3 (pmax) and I've never felt > like the default motd instills in users the appropriate level of > confidence in the system. "What, I'm just logging in and they're > already telling me how to report

Re: Making motd great again

2016-11-19 Thread Mark Carroll
On 19 Nov 2016, Chad Dougherty wrote: > Our developers have spent countless hours improving these > man pages so that they are clear and precise so please read them > carefully. For what it's worth, I do applaud this pointer to the documentation. There are many questions I've not sent to this

Making motd great again

2016-11-19 Thread Chad Dougherty
I've been using OpenBSD since version 2.3 (pmax) and I've never felt like the default motd instills in users the appropriate level of confidence in the system. "What, I'm just logging in and they're already telling me how to report and fix bugs? Bummer, man!" We can do better. TREMENDOUSLY