Re: Non-x86

2007-10-30 Thread Matthew Szudzik
Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). I agree that sparc64 is currently the best alternative to the x86 architecture in i386 and amd64. For me, the biggest obstacles

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-29 Thread Lars Noodén
Martin SchrC6der wrote: 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). It's too bad that Apple discontinued their PPC. It was an acceptable price

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-29 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 06:53:38PM +0200, Lars Nood??n wrote: Martin SchrC6der wrote: 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). It's

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-28 Thread Jeff Quast
On 10/26/07, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). If anyone is looking for a non-x86 laptop, there aren't many choices. Is there any

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-28 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 09:59:43AM -0400, Jeff Quast wrote: On 10/26/07, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). If anyone

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Lars Noodén
ropers wrote: On 24/10/2007, Lars NoodC)n [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1148.htm http://www.intel.com/pressroom

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/10/26, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not sure there is a context in which Wikipedia is ever relevant: it It's only as relevant as YOU help make it. Shut up and improve it. Best Martin

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread mickey
On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 01:39:56PM +0200, Martin Schr?der wrote: 2007/10/26, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm not sure there is a context in which Wikipedia is ever relevant: it It's only as relevant as YOU help make it. Shut up and improve it. why don't you shuddup? cu --

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Ted Unangst
On 10/26/07, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the specific context of CALEA, the AMT wikipedia page as of Fri Oct 26 07:45:59 GMT 2007, does not contain any references to CALEA, but do contain the links I provided above. The CALEA page points to links easily found with search engines.

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/10/26, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). Best Martin

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Lars Noodén
, what are the details? If not, what non-x86 options are available for regular workstations and servers. There's a shitload available for embedded devices and such. Where are the choices for non-x86? -Lars

Re: Non-x86

2007-10-26 Thread Matthew Szudzik
Where are the choices for non-x86? The only remaining alternative is Sparc. Everything else is either old (macppc) or expensive unsupported (IA64). If anyone is looking for a non-x86 laptop, there aren't many choices. Is there any information about OpenBSD on the following Sparc laptop

Re: Non-x86 (was: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..)

2007-10-25 Thread ropers
On 24/10/2007, Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1148.htm http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive

Non-x86 (was: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but ..)

2007-10-24 Thread Lars Noodén
on the other side of this brand new pile of shit. Seriously, what (affordable) non-x86 hardware options are available, especially those without AMT or AMT-like backdoors? http://softwarecommunity.intel.com/articles/eng/1148.htm http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases

non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? Regards, -Lars

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread nicodache
corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? Regards, -Lars

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
that the AMD Geode seems to be x86-based. What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? Regards, -Lars Do you have any special reasons for not using x86-based hardware? BR dunceor

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
query to the list. ... on epiacenter website ... I find only x86-based units there: celeron, amd geode, pentium, c3, eden, TM8600, etc. One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell or Freescale

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
of products manufacturers. Yes. I know. Hence my query to the list. ... on epiacenter website ... I find only x86-based units there: celeron, amd geode, pentium, c3, eden, TM8600, etc. One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? There has got to be non

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread nicodache
, amd geode, pentium, c3, eden, TM8600, etc. One ARM on the list, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell or Freescale or anything else. Regards, -Lars

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Lars Noodén
Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor wrote: What is AMT? http://www.intel.com/technology/platform-technology/intel-amt/index.htm aka rootkit for everybody http://strombergson.com/kryptoblog/?p=311 Well ARM is not under Intel, Intel does ARM-processors just like several others do (Atmel, TI, Phillips

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Stuart Henderson
, though. But isn't ARM now under Intel, maker of AMT? Not all Intel CPUs are i386-compatible, of course... There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell or Freescale or anything else. Freescale is a company, not a CPU architecture - looks like they have designs

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Lars Noodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has got to be non-x86 units out there, SBC or other, running Cell or Freescale or anything else. If you look hard enough, I think you can find ARM/MIPS/PowerPC based single-board computers vaguely comparable to the Soekris range. Heck, just look

Re: non-x86-based hardware for OBSD?

2007-09-25 Thread Ted Unangst
that the AMD Geode seems to be x86-based. indeed. meaning it uses the same compiler and kernel as the most widely tested port of openbsd. What corresponding non-x86 hardware options are common, recommended, or even available ? why would you want such a thing?