Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Ouellet Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:54 PM To: OpenBSD Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator your job(s) offer instead of your jobs@, etc if you think

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Theo de Raadt Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:48 PM To: Christopher Snell Cc: OpenBSD Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator And if anyone wanted my opinion, I am fine

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 11:45:37AM -0500, Umnada Tyrolla wrote: your job(s) offer instead of your jobs@, etc if you think it is that badly needed... http://openbsdsupport.org/jobs/ An admin interface will be added to post your jobs. For now send it in if you have any and I

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Umnada Tyrolla wrote: I don't think that really helped the problem any. How are the headhunters going to know about it? That's better then complaining and doing nothing and was an answer to the request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, as describe on the site Please only send OpenBSD specific

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/07 2:17 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Get real, meta postings (postings about other postings) also build this misc community. You cannot expect a channel to carry 100% data (relevance), What should we insist on? Is there something to insist on on an open list? As I tried to explain, an

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-04 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Theo de Raadt wrote: Nope. We can't aim higher when there are people like you, full of hate, and once again not adding real content. i hate those haters! we should hang their leader, it will fix everything. ;)

OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Tom Bombadil wrote: The just guy sent one single e-mail asking if a bsd user wanted a job, which I bet many among us might be interested. I've certainly heard from consulting customers who got my info from the consultants page at OpenBSD ... It's

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Farrell
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diana Eichert Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:03 AM To: OpenBSD Subject: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Tom Bombadil wrote: The just guy sent one single e-mail asking if a bsd user

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Peter Landry
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diana Eichert Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:03 AM To: OpenBSD Subject: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: Tom Bombadil wrote: The just

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Adam
Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO allowing employers to seek out OBSD admins for employment helps further encourage OBSD use. misc@ is not for encouraging openbsd use, that's what advocacy@ is for. So why can't there be a jobs@ or something similar? Is there a philosophical reason

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Farrell
] -Original Message- From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:40 PM To: Dan Farrell Cc: OpenBSD Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO allowing employers to seek out OBSD admins for employment

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Kenny Mann
Adam wrote: Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO allowing employers to seek out OBSD admins for employment helps further encourage OBSD use. misc@ is not for encouraging openbsd use, that's what advocacy@ is for. Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Jason Dixon
On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Kenny Mann wrote: I'm failing to understand why this is such a big deal... I must be missing something. Some people enjoy patronizing others. It makes them feel better about themselves. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Jack J. Woehr
The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Kenny Mann wrote: Adam wrote: Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO allowing employers to seek out

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to understand the mindset of OpenBSD users by reading the

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Marc Balmer
* Patrick Useldinger wrote: Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to understand the mindset

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread bofh
On 1/3/07, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/3/07, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Adam
Kenny Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His response was a bit rude, however at least the courtesy was made to attempt a reading on the rules page. He made the best decision he could given the information he had. No, he posted to the openbsd user questions and answers list something that is

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:07:16 +0100, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, Ni! Ni! and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Marc Espie
For once, I'm going to say this from my position as an OpenBSD developer who has sunk countless hours into writing code for this OS. It's obvious a lot of wankers around here have nothing better to do than start threads based on that job offer. I am perfectly happy with someone posting a job

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Peace, and to move on, I don't know if that's any good or not or even needed really. But like many wanted How To saying it would be much better, however the results are not overwhelming, but peace came from it anyway. Here is a place for your job(s) offer instead of your jobs@, etc if you

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Christopher Snell
On 1/3/07, Kenny Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His response was a bit rude, however at least the courtesy was made to attempt a reading on the rules page. He made the best decision he could given the information he had. Hi All, I apologize if my posting offended anyone. That really was not

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Christopher Snell wrote: Hi All, I apologize if my posting offended anyone. That really was not my intent. I *do* read this list regularly, attend OpenBSD-related SNIP Chris Nah, no apology needed, except perhaps an apology from myself, since I never intended this

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
And if anyone wanted my opinion, I am fine with the occasional (but rare) job posting which is polite, to the point, and relevant to OpenBSD. But I am not OK with all the whiners and lamers who followed up on that posting with trash talk. That's about 35 postings so far, it looks like. And I

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Get real, meta postings (postings about other postings) also build this misc community. You cannot expect a channel to carry 100% data (relevance), What should we insist on? How about 20%? Or can we aim higher? Nope. We can't aim higher when there are people like you, full of hate, and