Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Marc Espie
The only way to know is to try.

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:44:46PM -0500, David Noel wrote: I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual desktop/workstation user. Back in the day I was attracted to OpenBSD's heavy focus on security but was pulled towards FreeBSD due to a good

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Comète
Take a look at this page too (https://stable.mtier.org/). This is a great help to follow stable without compiling. I use it with all my servers. Morgan Le 30/10/2013 03:44, David Noel a écrit : I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:44 AM, David Noel david.i.n...@gmail.com wrote: I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual desktop/workstation user. Back in the day I was attracted to OpenBSD's heavy focus on security but was pulled towards FreeBSD

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Marko Cupać
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:44:46 -0500 David Noel david.i.n...@gmail.com wrote: But now that I'm administering 6 of them I'm really starting to get annoyed by the whole process: rebuild kernel... rebuild world... reboot, and then pray that it doesn't blow up in my face (as it often does). Perhaps

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Marian Hettwer
For FreeBSD: stay on -RELEASE and use freebsd-update(8) Nowadays no need to build world. -- sent via my mobile C64 Am 30.10.2013 um 03:44 schrieb David Noel david.i.n...@gmail.com: I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Rodrigo Mosconi
On FreeBSD, you need to rebuild the kernel (and partial world) to enable/use IPSEC. By default FreeBSD doesn`t support IPSEC, and enable it turn freebsd-update useless 2013/10/30 Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de For FreeBSD: stay on -RELEASE and use freebsd-update(8) Nowadays no need to build

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Stefan Sperling contributed: 5.4 will be out on Friday and I don't see why you shouldn't at least give it a try. As already mentioned you can use mtier with 5.4 Release but if a package you require isn't on mtier and needs updating then you can either build the

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 02:04:45PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Is the time_t fix/hurdle part of 5.4 release? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html#20130813 No. Rolling back to stock 5.3 or 5.4 will require reinstalling.

Re: OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-30 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 09:44:46PM -0500, David Noel wrote: I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual desktop/workstation user. Back in the day I was attracted to OpenBSD's heavy focus on security but was pulled towards FreeBSD due to a good

OpenBSD maintenance compared to FreeBSD

2013-10-29 Thread David Noel
I started playing around with FreeBSD back in the 2.2.7 days. I'd describe myself as a casual desktop/workstation user. Back in the day I was attracted to OpenBSD's heavy focus on security but was pulled towards FreeBSD due to a good friend of mine being a FreeBSD contributor (dude, trust me, it's