On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:26:52 -0600 (MDT), Diana Eichert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just use some 50cal BMG rounds, that should be effective ammunition.
sorry, I just had to after following this thread for awhile
I think you're taking the phrase Bullet-Proof Software a bit too
literally. ;-)
JCR
Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells
and whistles.
Anybody know what, if anything, it does that an
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:54:22 -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 22:09 -0400, Jim Fron wrote:
What it does that an OBSD solution can't is be low power, cheap, and
bought off the shelf (maybe there are off-the-shelf suppliers of OBSD
machines, but they aren't in every strip
Hi,
I have 1 argument for D-Link and against OpenBSD:
D-Link can DSL. OpenBSD can not. So you have to
buy at least a DSL modem for OpenBSD. And since you
are buying a DSL modem, why not add 20 Euros and
buy a DSL-router? At least for a small home network.
Regards
Alex
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 10:30:25AM +0200, Alexander Farber wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I have 1 argument for D-Link and against OpenBSD:
|
| D-Link can DSL. OpenBSD can not. So you have to
| buy at least a DSL modem for OpenBSD. And since you
| are buying a DSL modem, why not add 20 Euros and
| buy a
Melameth, Daniel D. wrote:
Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells
and whistles.
Anybody know what, if
On 2005-08-03 03:03, Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and
whistles.
Anybody know what, if anything,
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:03:34 +1000, Rod.. Whitworth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and
whistles.
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:03:23 +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote:
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 10:30:25AM +0200, Alexander Farber wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I have 1 argument for D-Link and against OpenBSD:
|
| D-Link can DSL. OpenBSD can not. So you have to
| buy at least a DSL modem for OpenBSD. And since you
| are
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
Rod.. Whitworth
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:04 PM
To: Miscellaneous OBSD
Subject: Ammunition needed to defend OpenBSD/pf
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
I do not know what a system looks like to an attacker trying to
fingerprint you using boxes from Office Depot.
However, I would hope that using OpenBSD/pf that I could advertise the
fact that I am using OpenBSD/pf, and someone would just move on to their
next target.
Sincerely, Rob
At 04:30 AM 8/3/05, Alexander Farber wrote:
I have 1 argument for D-Link and against OpenBSD:
D-Link can DSL.
Does it really? My D-link router (at home) is tossing SYN attacks back to
the modem (as determined by ISP monitoring) causing the DSL modem to
lockup. I am eager to learn how to
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 10:30 +0200, Alexander Farber wrote:
Hi,
I have 1 argument for D-Link and against OpenBSD:
D-Link can DSL. OpenBSD can not. So you have to
buy at least a DSL modem for OpenBSD. And since you
are buying a DSL modem, why not add 20 Euros and
buy a DSL-router? At
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:47 -0400, Will H. Backman wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
Rod.. Whitworth
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:04 PM
To: Miscellaneous OBSD
Subject: Ammunition needed to defend OpenBSD/pf
On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:47 -0400, Will H. Backman wrote:
Many of these devices provide the what if I get hit by a bus
protection of a simple, single purpose system. If you use something
like OpenBSD, it can be viewed as a homegrown application that must be
supported by the organization, and
On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 02:35:07AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote:
your FUD look, just level with them. If you really want me to go
into all the various technical details involved in a full source
code audit the costs you would bear to do an equivalent audit on a
closed source binary through
Of chefren
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:47 PM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Ammunition needed to defend OpenBSD/pf
On 08/03/05 19:25, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:
You mean having the DSL router and modem be in the same physical box,
thus introducing a single point of failure? That's a huge
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 01:15 pm, Jim O'Donald wrote:
Using your example of a power supply lasting 10 years, that would
translate to 2 failures in 10 years, not 1 failure in 5 years.
And if the box is properly designed, it will continue running unless both
power supplies fail simultaneously
On 08/03/05 20:55, Dave Feustel wrote:
On Wednesday 03 August 2005 01:15 pm, Jim O'Donald wrote:
Using your example of a power supply lasting 10 years, that would
translate to 2 failures in 10 years, not 1 failure in 5 years.
And if the box is properly designed, it will continue running
On 08/03/05 20:15, Jim O'Donald wrote:
That logic is completely false and you contradict yourself.
Pooh pooh.
Allowing for multiple points of failure does not mean that something is
less reliable as you have described. It means that if/when one fails, the
other will still be available.
But
On 8/3/05, Matt Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think everyone on this list has done a wonderful job explaining
why an OpenBSD box will beat the D-Link practically hands-down.
The cynical side of me thinks that managers, no matter how great the
reality of OpenBSD, are likely to reject it
chefren wrote:
Two equal power supplies in line: Twice as much the risk of a
brakedown of the system and two times as much failures of power supplies.
Lets see.
Let X be the (boolean) random variable designating ''system X breaks
down in the first N years''. Equally, let Y be the random
On 8/3/05, Matt Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The cynical side of me thinks that managers, no matter how great the
reality of OpenBSD, are likely to reject it based on a fear
and/or ignorance of open source, or with logic like, Well if it's
so good, how come I've never heard of it?
The same
just use some 50cal BMG rounds, that should be effective ammunition.
sorry, I just had to after following this thread for awhile
Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and
whistles.
Well, I we connected a new client with straight
On 8/2/05, Rod.. Whitworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody know what, if anything, it does that an OBSD solution doesn't/
cannot, that may be important?
Complete documentation and source code you can not only look at, but
modify if you're so inclined.
aaron.glenn
* Aaron Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-02 19:01]:
On 8/2/05, Rod.. Whitworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anybody know what, if anything, it does that an OBSD solution doesn't/
cannot, that may be important?
Complete documentation and source code you can not only look at, but
modify if
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:03:34 +1000
Rod.. Whitworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and
Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Somebody sent me a query asking for a justification for my proposal to
supply a firewall/router using OpenBSD when there was thsi device:
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=327 , with all its claimed bells and
whistles.
The DLink doesn't have failover or load balancing.
The next firmware or os version may require the purchase of a new
appliance because these upgrades will not support your appliance. On
the other hand, you can bet that a new release of obsd/pf will not
require the purchase of new hardware.
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 08:03 pm, Rod.. Whitworth
On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Rod.. Whitworth wrote:
Anybody know what, if anything, it does that an OBSD solution doesn't/
cannot, that may be important?
Or alternatively the reverse.
What it does that an OBSD solution can't is be low power, cheap, and
bought off the shelf (maybe there
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 22:09 -0400, Jim Fron wrote:
What it does that an OBSD solution can't is be low power, cheap, and
bought off the shelf (maybe there are off-the-shelf suppliers of OBSD
machines, but they aren't in every strip mall in the country).
To the third of those, I agree. To the
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