Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-09 Thread M. Schatzl
Ok, please stop that now. Those pseudo-witty replies are getting quite annoying. Thanks.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 10:33:19PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Remember we opted for C++ during c2k2 (or was it c2k3), but not until ddb has proper name demangling code. *rolls eyes* Yuck. Miod Kind

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Tony
Quoth Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu On Wednesday 08 February 2006 04:20, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Miod Vallat wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Remember we opted for C++ during c2k2 (or was it

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread tony sarendal
On 08/02/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu On Wednesday 08 February 2006 04:20, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Miod Vallat wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Nickolay A Burkov
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 14:01:38 -0800 Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/06, Antonios Anastasiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been wondering what are the openbsd team's long term-plans (if any at all,of course) regarding future smp support. I am aware that openbsd currently

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Eric Faurot
On 2/8/06, Diana Eichert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cast a vote for re-writing the kernel in Ruby because of it's robust threads implementation. No no no, OpenBSD should be rewritten with the new GPL v3 as soon as it stabilizes. It seems much more robust than the previous releases, and it is

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Frank Bax
At 06:40 PM 2/7/06, STeve Andre' wrote: On Wednesday 08 February 2006 04:20, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Miod Vallat wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Remember we opted for C++ during c2k2 (or was it c2k3), but not

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread chefren
On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance. So the language should be VHDL! +++chefren

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Wednesday, February 8, chefren wrote: On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance. So the language should be VHDL! Ugh! That's akin to using C++ and C# at the same

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Roy Morris
On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance. So the language should be VHDL! +++chefren Just write the OS in SQL PL and move on! Geeeze ..

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread yary
It's been a while since I've had the opportunity to code in RPG. Implementing an SMP kernel in an old IBM report generating language is an interesting challenge, and would open up the possibility of running OpenBSD 4.0 on card-sorting machines.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:35:30 -0700 Tobias Weingartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, February 8, chefren wrote: On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Tobias Weingartner wrote: On Wednesday, February 8, chefren wrote: On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance. So the language should be

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread chefren
On 02/08/06 21:48, Diana Eichert wrote: On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Tobias Weingartner wrote: On Wednesday, February 8, chefren wrote: On 02/08/06 14:56, Nickolay A Burkov wrote: Weee! I think OpenBSD kernel should be implemented in hardware part! Of course, big gate array and stellar performance.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Benjamin Collins
On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 08:51:31PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: digressed a bit (I'm sure that surprises everyone here that I'd do that), Shocked! Anyway, to folks who are wondering about SMP, all you have to do is notice how little traffic there is on smp@ and how (relatively) few commits there

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, chefren wrote: and I know just the card to do it, http://www.metanetworks.org/products.html No no no, those cards have not enough memory shameless plug we manufacture one with up to 2x 256MB SDRAM with fully independent address and data busses:

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread eric
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 15:21:19 -0700, Diana Eichert proclaimed... Can you do line rate 10G/OC192 with your card? Last I heard only Endace could; and they're not supported.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Craig McCormick
Now I don't feel at all bad about not being able to run bsd.mp on my clunky old dual-266 Dell PowerEdge 4200. Pah! Programmers nowadays, no idea of commitment! ;) On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 22:36 -0600, Benjamin Collins wrote: On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 08:51:31PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: digressed

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, eric wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 15:21:19 -0700, Diana Eichert proclaimed... Can you do line rate 10G/OC192 with your card? Last I heard only Endace could; and they're not supported. the metanetworks 10G can

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread eric
On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 16:04:22 -0700, Diana Eichert proclaimed... the metanetworks 10G can Hmm, no kidding. Do you know of anything that is rather lossless just for 1G networks (optical)? We may be throwing some taps out and the usually intel cards are very lossy.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, eric wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 16:04:22 -0700, Diana Eichert proclaimed... the metanetworks 10G can Hmm, no kidding. Do you know of anything that is rather lossless just for 1G networks (optical)? We may be throwing some taps out and the usually intel cards are very

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, eric wrote: SNIP Hmm, no kidding. Do you know of anything that is rather lossless just for 1G networks (optical)? We may be throwing some taps out and the usually intel cards are very lossy. Oops, I just re-read your original post. They have a new 1G card with

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread chefren
On 02/09/06 00:04, Diana Eichert wrote: On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, eric wrote: On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 15:21:19 -0700, Diana Eichert proclaimed... Can you do line rate 10G/OC192 with your card? Last I heard only Endace could; and they're not supported. the metanetworks 10G can Since also OC192

10G 1G h/w accelerated NICs Was: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-08 Thread Diana Eichert
On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, chefren wrote: SNIP Lets put in the OpenBSD plug first: Yes OpenBSD is fully supported with the FT-x card. The Metanetworks 10G card is supported by an OpenBSD driver. The only OpenBSD version directly supported is 3.7, it was the current version when we purchased it.

openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Antonios Anastasiadis
hi list. I have been wondering what are the openbsd team's long term-plans (if any at all,of course) regarding future smp support. I am aware that openbsd currently supports smp under the big kernel lock, which offers some advantages for userland applications but generally things like interrupt

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Ted Unangst
On 2/7/06, Antonios Anastasiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been wondering what are the openbsd team's long term-plans (if any at all,of course) regarding future smp support. I am aware that openbsd currently supports smp under the big kernel lock, which offers some advantages for

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 02:01:38PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: [...] i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. ;-) How about erlang (once we've got a working port)? Erlang's threads (called processes) are much more lightweight, and OpenBSD is, as

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Miod Vallat
i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Remember we opted for C++ during c2k2 (or was it c2k3), but not until ddb has proper name demangling code. Miod

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread tony sarendal
On 07/02/06, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/7/06, Antonios Anastasiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been wondering what are the openbsd team's long term-plans (if any at all,of course) regarding future smp support. I am aware that openbsd currently supports smp under the big

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Bryan Irvine
i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Get real Ted. You know that python is the way to go. What's the point of re-writing in either language? emacs already has a kernel.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread tony sarendal
On 07/02/06, Bryan Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Get real Ted. You know that python is the way to go. What's the point of re-writing in either language? emacs already has a kernel. I don't

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Antonios Anastasiadis
Damn. I shouldn't have asked.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Felipe Scarel
Aside from all (somewhat funny, especially the java one) jokes, what are the plans regarding SMP? Recently I had to install FreeBSD on a dual-Xeon server because it's SMP support is kinda better than OpenBSD's, but that did not please me at all, so that is indeed a good question. -- Felipe

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Nick Holland
Felipe Scarel wrote: Aside from all (somewhat funny, especially the java one) jokes, what are the plans regarding SMP? Same as always. Wait for someone to show REAL CODE. Evaluate the merits of that code. If it is up to OpenBSD standards, commit the code. Note that the real code comes first.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Wednesday, February 8, Felipe Scarel wrote: Just to explain better what happened, I was willing to install OpenBSD on the machine even if it somewhat lost some power because of the SMP stuff. However, my boss doesn't share the same views regarding security with me, so I had no choice.

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread STeve Andre'
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 04:20, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Miod Vallat wrote: i think we should rewrite the kernel in java since it has good support for threads. Remember we opted for C++ during c2k2 (or was it c2k3), but not until ddb has proper name demangling

Re: openbsd's future plans?

2006-02-07 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
-Original Message- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 February 2006 01:40 AM To: Diana Eichert Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: openbsd's future plans? On Wednesday 08 February 2006 04:20, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Miod Vallat wrote: i