Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-24 Thread Tobias Weingartner
Matthew Szudzik wrote: Of course, but the kernel doesn't support drm, and somebody reading the documentation has no way to know. At the very least, there could be an Errata section at the bottom of the man page, mentioning that OpenBSD does not support hardware 3D acceleration.

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-24 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 10:25:27AM -0400, Dan Farrell wrote: So the word is that -generic- won't support 3d because it doesn't have DRM, but you could always have an OpenBSD kernel with DRM compiled in? The ``it'' that doesn't have support for DRM isn't just the GENERIC configuration---it's the

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-24 Thread Ted Unangst
On 4/24/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the word is that -generic- won't support 3d because it doesn't have DRM, but you could always have an OpenBSD kernel with DRM compiled in? Just want to be sure. And I thought, Ted, that you had been working on DRM for OpenBSD, but I couldn't

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-24 Thread bofh
On 4/24/07, Matthew R. Dempsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ``it'' that doesn't have support for DRM isn't just the GENERIC configuration---it's the OpenBSD kernel sources. There's as much source code supporting DRM in the kernel as there is supporting Reiser4 or ZFS. Taking it completely out

radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Sunnz
Anyone running current with Xorg7.2 with a radeon card? I always used nVidia cards but I have been told that radeon has the best 3D support as far as free software solution goes... so I have been thinking of getting a radeon instead. I tried to find a list of supported cards by the radeon on

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Sunnz
Ahhh actually I just typed in man radeon and there's some list of supported chipsets(?), I don't know why I didn't looked there in the first place!!! I guess I expected the X site would have some info... But still, I never used Radeon cards before if you have some links that explains how their

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Matthew Weigel
Sunnz wrote: hardware 3D acceleration (experimental on R300 and R400 series cards) Well I'd need a PCI-E card so what should I really look for? A R400 PCI-E card? It says experimental so is it unstable? As I recall, X.org 3D acceleration requires kernel-level support for DRI that

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Sunnz
Sorry for spamming... but I really want to ask as I have read more. From the man page of radeon on current, R400 series has 3D hardware acceleration... so what is R400 series? Is RV410, R420, R423/R430 and R480/R481? What concerns me now is that they all says (2D only), is the one with no 2D

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 03:23:59AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: So I am wondering if anyone knows what radeon cards are supported by this radeon driver in Xorg 7.2 and what's the state of its 3D capability on OpenBSD using 100% free code? OpenBSD doesn't have DRI, so there's no 3D acceleration with any

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'd need a PCI-E card so what should I really look for? A R400 PCI-E card? It says experimental so is it unstable? There's no 3D support on OpenBSD due to lack of DRI and DRM. -- Jonathan

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Sunnz
Ohhh I see now that's why it says 2d only. Thanks. 2007/4/24, Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'd need a PCI-E card so what should I really look for? A R400 PCI-E card? It says experimental so is it unstable? There's no 3D support on OpenBSD due to

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 03:23:59AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: Anyone running current with Xorg7.2 with a radeon card? I always used nVidia cards but I have been told that radeon has the best 3D support as far as free software solution goes... so I have been thinking of getting a radeon instead.

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Stefan Sperling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want 3D and BSD, your only option currently is FreeBSD. IIRC, NetBSD has made some progress and they got some drivers working. -- Jonathan

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Tue, Apr 24, 2007 at 04:47:20AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: Ohhh I see now that's why it says 2d only. Thanks. Those man pages are from X.org. X.org supports 3d acceleration on some (older) graphics cards but only 2d on some (newer) others. OpenBSD does not support 3d acceleration on any cards.

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Matthew Szudzik
Those man pages are from X.org. X.org supports 3d acceleration on some (older) graphics cards but only 2d on some (newer) others. OpenBSD does not support 3d acceleration on any cards. Shouldn't this be considered a documentation bug? Even though the man page

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Ted Unangst
On 4/23/07, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those man pages are from X.org. X.org supports 3d acceleration on some (older) graphics cards but only 2d on some (newer) others. OpenBSD does not support 3d acceleration on any cards. Shouldn't this be considered a documentation bug?

Re: radeon driver in -current Xorg 7.2?

2007-04-23 Thread Matthew Szudzik
the radeon driver does support 3d. if you have a kernel with drm, it will try to use it. Of course, but the kernel doesn't support drm, and somebody reading the documentation has no way to know. At the very least, there could be an Errata section at the bottom of the man page, mentioning