Re: filesystems?
Personally, ext2 should be an excellent choice; efficient disk usage and read/write support in all those OSes, including Windows, http://fs-driver.org/ I've been using that driver on Windows XP for a while now, so far no errors. It's not open source or anything unfortunately; but the open source ext2-on-Winodws projects seem to be riddled with errors, ironically.
Re: sasyncd: no shared key specified
On 2007/09/03 23:42, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: tried sasyncd out on 4.1-release and noticed that when i uncomment the basic settings in the default /etc/sasyncd.conf file that i see Just deleting the lines with comments should get it working for you. There must be something funny with the parser, it doesn't like a line with a comment, followed by a newline, between the first real line of the config and the key. # IP addresses or hostnames of sasyncd(8) peers. peer 10.0.0.2 #peer 10.0.0.3 #peer 10.0.0.4 # Track master/slave state on this carp(4) interface. interface carp1 It's a bit early in the morning for me to see what's wrong with conf.y but here's a test case: peer 10.0.0.2 # interface carp1 sharedkey 0x349fec85c11f6b658d5c457d4668e035f11dfdccb849d5053a8763787b74db70 ...alternatively with the #\n\n between interface and sharedkey.
Re: partioning for multiple OS's
stan schrieb: I have a new laptop. It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD next. When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused. Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows. NameFlags Part Type FS Type [Label]Size (MB) -- sda1Primary Unknown (27) 10479.01 sda2BootPrimary FAT16[] 31453.48 sda3Primary Linux ReiserFS3.54 sda5Logical Linux swap / Solaris 3997.49 Logical Free Space74109.78 How can I acomplish this? Hello, do you need to have dual (triple, quadruple) boot, or would you like to hear about other possibilities? I would say: use some kind of virtualization (vmware server, xen, virtual pc ) Doing that, you have not to worry about partitioning and boot loader configuration (which all is possible but will also likely end in a mess). You have the possibilities to play with network between the virtual machines and the host, you can eazy share data between them, and it is eazy to set up. Virtualization ist not a solution for everything but a solution for a lot of things (I'm sure a lot of people here would agree), especially if you want to play around with things. guido
New user help
Hello there, I recently began to read about OpenBSD with a view to installing it on my home system (I am somewhat new to Unix) and while I was able to install the base system without any problems I was unable to find clear instructions or pointers on how to go on from there. I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface and use CVSync to update all source and follow the stable branch. I am confident that if someone was to send me details of how to accomplish this I would be able to learn much more about the system and how to use it. At the moment I use Ubuntu and come from an M$ background so want to learn as much as possible. I sometimes make mistakes (as can be seen in my previous post but I am improving). Thanks in advance. A.
Re: New user help
Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface You did install the *tgz parts? If so, you should be ready to fetch and install packages such as the various kde bits from your favorite mirror as per the FAQ's packages section, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html and use CVSync to update all source and follow the stable branch. I am confident that if someone was to send me details of how to accomplish this I would be able to learn much more about the system and how to use it. it's not really that hard, for sure. You may want to spend a little time browsing the faq, for these issues the building the system from source at http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html may be worth reading. Other useful alternatives for fetching source is csup (pkg_add csup) and its ancestor cvsup. See which one appeals to you. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: 4.1-stable 'make build' dies with 'out of memory' building perl
In http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=118786051715312w=1 I wrote: I run -stable on an IBM/Lenovo T41p laptop with 512M memory and 2G swap. I cvs-updated /usr/src on Aug 22 around 21:00 GMT. As usual, I followed the instructions at http://www.openbsd.org/stable.html to rebuild... but unlike all the other times I've done this, this time 'make build' died while building perl. [[...cut-n-paste error transcript ending with out of memory...]] A 'make build' usually takes 2 or 3 hours on this system, and the system has enough memory that (with the top-level 'make build' at nice 20) I don't notice any significant slowdown in concurrent interactive use. I've certainly never noticed 'make build' paging before. How much memory is an i386 4.1-stable 'make build' supposed to need? Or is this more likely a cvs bit-bash which has garbled my tree and the failure symptom just happens to be an infinite recursion somewhere? I'm pleased to report that I have solved the problem: Just (as root) rm /etc/malloc.conf (which previously was a symlink pointing to FGJP). So... it seems that 'make build' doesn't like malloc.conf being set to something other than the default (which is 'nothing at all'). Ok, lesson learned for next time... My question now is, was this an OpenBSD bug (which I should report on gnats), or a user error (which I should not report on gnats, at least not on the OpenBSD gnats :) ? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) [EMAIL PROTECTED] School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral. -- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam
Re: OT recommended mobo with lots of pci slots
hi, Just an o.t. based on your experience, can anyone pls recommend to me a intel/asus/epox mobo for dual core or pentium 4 proc with a lots of pci slot probably 4 or 5 pci slots and works fine on openbsd . is there a good(at least) support on linux or bsd for intel dual core proc? Thanks for your help guys. -- Jay Jesus D. Amorin Mobile: +639156275787 Home: +63 35 422-0023 Email: jay [at] jayamorin [dot] ph YM: jayamorin
Re: New user help
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter N. M. Hansteen) writes: Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface You did install the *tgz parts? sorry, that came out wrong, it should have been 'x*tgz parts'. I do need more coffee. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.datadok.no/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: New user help
On 2007/09/04 09:40, Adrian Fisher wrote: I recently began to read about OpenBSD with a view to installing it on my home system (I am somewhat new to Unix) and while I was able to install the base system without any problems I was unable to find clear instructions or pointers on how to go on from there. Good start; the best way forward is to play around with the system and learn your way around the documentation. As a new user, you're in a good position to help identify areas that could benefit from more detail, adjustments, or even just linking between sections. Coming from MS and desktop Linux it might require a slight change of mindset to trust the documentation, but it's one you need to make to get much out of OpenBSD. I wish to install the system then install and use the KDE interface http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq15.html should help you get that installed. As Peter pointed out you need to have the X file sets too, if you missed them, the easiest way to add them is to boot the installer and do an upgrade install. (The normal way to start X is to place xdm_flags= in /etc/rc.conf.local). and use CVSync to update all source and follow the stable branch. I You'll find more about cvsync and building the OS from source on www.openbsd.org, but there's plenty more to learn as it is. There's really no hurry to get into source builds. I don't know what you already know, but I'd suggest vi or mg, basic use of pkg_* tools, grep, locate, man as all being good to learn early.
Re: partioning for multiple OS's
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:55:56AM -0400, bofh wrote: On 9/3/07, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NameFlags Part Type FS Type [Label]Size (MB) -- sda1Primary Unknown (27) 10479.01 sda2BootPrimary FAT16[] 31453.48 sda3Primary Linux ReiserFS 3.54 sda5Logical Linux swap / Solaris 3997.49 Logical Free Space 74109.78 sda1 is most probably your rescue space or bios utilities. Not recommended for deletion. I'm not really a Windows person. Could you explain why Windows needs _2_ partions? In the distant past I had windows on a multiboot machine without this. -- I'm sorry, no one here has any intentions of helping you with anything. I am the manager of all of Customer Service.
Ultraportable Laptop
Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Lenovo 3000 V100 (V200) is another choice, but it appears they do not have at all the same rugged mechanics as the ThinkPad series. Samsung Q35 is a notebook that appears to have familiar hardware, but I am too much of a novice to tell. Sony Vaio TZ is another praised notebook, but I hear the Sony Vaio series have been no good with OpenBSD. Comments? Has anyone run Samsung Q35? It seems to be the best alternative so far. -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: Centralized ports collection server
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 04:15:23AM +0200, Adriaan wrote: On 9/4/07, John Nietzsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentleman, i would like to set a single box in my network to keep syncronized to the ports collection infra structure. My ideia is to export the directory /usr/ports to all my local connected machines. So, there would be no need to sync them all. I would like to be able to build the utilities/lib/etc once and be able to install them every machine with the same hardware/OS version. Is that possible? How show be my /etc/exports control configuration file? An alternative would be to use one box to create binary packages from ports. Copy or link the packages to one directory which you make available to the clients by NFS, scp or ftp. You now can install the binary packages on the clients by setting their PKG_PATH to that directory of the building machine. Depends if all your boxes are the same architecture. In any case, this is more or less sketched out in ports(7) (BULK PACKAGE BUILDING, in particular). Roughly sketched: - there are distinct areas in /usr/ports. There's the main stuff, there are the distfiles, there are the packages, there are the cookies, and there are the working directories. You will want to use separate rules for each. - You probably want to fetch the distfiles on the NFS server itself (using the mechanism described in mirroring-ports(7) - keep the work directory local. That's what WRKOBJDIR is for. - the ports tree has some mechanism to ensure that two thingies do not build the same package at the same time. With separate workdirs, this is less of an issue, as the chances of collision are less... but be careful. it's probably a good idea to lock stuff on machines that share some not read-only stuff (e.g., packages for the same architecture). - you might want to put the built packages on a separate partition with distinct rules: they're all that's needed if you just want to install stuff on a machine. - think about what you do with the various update and bulk cookies. There. The only thing we do not handle at all is shared installation through NFS. pkg_add really does not cope with machines which share only /usr/local and not /etc, for instance...
Re: New user help
For the kde thing, try something like --- pkg_add curl curl ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/ | awk '{print $NF}' /tmp/curl.out for package in `grep -i ^wget /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdebase /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdelibs /tmp/curl.out`\ `grep -i ^kdeaddons /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdeadmin /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdeartwork /tmp/curl.out` \ `grep -i ^kdeedu /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdegames /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdegraphics /tmp/curl.out` \ `grep -i ^kdemultimedia /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdenetwork /tmp/curl.out` \ `grep -i ^kdepim /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdesdk /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kdetoys /tmp/curl.out` \ `grep -i ^kdeutils /tmp/curl.out` `grep -i ^kde-i18n-ca /tmp/curl.out` do if ! pkg_add ${package} ; then echo pkg_add of ${package} failed 12 fi done - I have a big script to automatically install the software I always use from a recent snapshot (-current, in development), plus PF, plus antialiasing, plus X set-up etc etc. If you're interested, I can post it Cheers Pau Amaro-Seoane
Re: Ultraportable Laptop
Raimo Niskanen wrote: Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Get the x61 Tablet edition with the a 12.1 SuperView SXGA+ TFT 1400x1050 190nit and all your problems are solved :) See: http://shop.lenovo.com/ISS_Static/merchandising/US/PDFs/X61tablet.pdf Do note that some things (sound,hibernate) have not been solved yet on OpenBSD, see the thread from last week orso, but it should not be too long for those items to be resolved. Enjoy! Greets, Jeroen [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
IPSEC.CONF with Dynamic IP address (parse HOST name) doesnt seem to work
Hello everyone, I have several VPN tunnels between OBSD 3.8 systems (LAN to LAN via VPN). These all have fixed IP addresses and all works fine :-) . However, now I have a OBSD 3.8 system that gets a Dynamic IP address. I mapped that address to a hostname using DynDNS.org Using ipcheck.py (a python program) it keeps the DynDns.org DNS servers up-to-date when a IP change occurs. So far, so good. I was hoping to simply use the DynDns host name in the IPSEC.CONF file, but that doesnt seem to work :-(( . For this mail I changed the name to remote5.dyndns.org. The real name pings ok can Ii can use it to SSH into the machine. # # IPSEC to remote location 5 # Active host, remote location is passive # ike esp from 172.17.0.0/16 to 192.168.76.0/22 peer remote5.dyndns.org ike esp from openbsd ip to 192.168.76.0/22 peer remote5.dyndns.org ike esp from openbsd ip to remote5.dyndns.org Note the remote5.dyndns.org instead of a IP address. When I load this config file I get : # ipsecctl -f /etc/ipsec.conf /etc/ipsec.conf: 46: could not parse host specification /etc/ipsec.conf: 47: could not parse host specification /etc/ipsec.conf: 48: could not parse host specification ipsecctl: Syntax error in config file: ipsec rules not loaded How to get around this, that is, get the host named 'parsed' inside the ipsec.conf file towards the correct IP address ? regards Wiljoh
Re: filesystems?
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:17:44 +0200 Martin SchrC6der [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/3, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FAT32. And everyone can be compiled to read NTFS; Linux can even write to it. FreeBSD can also write NTFS using the ntfs-3g driver together with fusefs. Jona -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free. Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord Confusion
Re: filesystems?
Le mardi 04 septembre 2007 C 00:23 +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD a C)crit : Salut, On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: I think fat32 is a good choice: you have nothing to install. Did you ever have to debug a deep directory structure where something caused all directory to become files? On a 500G disk? Fun. Tonnerre No I didn't. Is it so fun? :) I didn't say fat32 is a good FS but IMHO it's a FS with less constraints than other ones. Imagine your network is down or you don't remember the name of the driver and you need to access to the data stored on a FFS disk from a new win box. I would say it's also fun :) To avoid this problem, you can create a small fat partition, store all the drivers (ext, ufs, ...) on it, and create multiple ufs/ext/.. partitions to prevent huge data loss. But it depends on the use you will have of your disk.
Re: IPSEC.CONF with Dynamic IP address (parse HOST name) doesnt seem to work
Just use a recent snapshot. Support for names instead of ip addresses has been added, mh, at least a year ago. HJ. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:32:55PM +0200, * VLGroup Forums wrote: Hello everyone, I have several VPN tunnels between OBSD 3.8 systems (LAN to LAN via VPN). These all have fixed IP addresses and all works fine :-) . However, now I have a OBSD 3.8 system that gets a Dynamic IP address. I mapped that address to a hostname using DynDNS.org Using ipcheck.py (a python program) it keeps the DynDns.org DNS servers up-to-date when a IP change occurs. So far, so good. I was hoping to simply use the DynDns host name in the IPSEC.CONF file, but that doesnt seem to work :-(( . For this mail I changed the name to remote5.dyndns.org. The real name pings ok can Ii can use it to SSH into the machine. # # IPSEC to remote location 5 # Active host, remote location is passive # ike esp from 172.17.0.0/16 to 192.168.76.0/22 peer remote5.dyndns.org ike esp from openbsd ip to 192.168.76.0/22 peer remote5.dyndns.org ike esp from openbsd ip to remote5.dyndns.org Note the remote5.dyndns.org instead of a IP address. When I load this config file I get : # ipsecctl -f /etc/ipsec.conf /etc/ipsec.conf: 46: could not parse host specification /etc/ipsec.conf: 47: could not parse host specification /etc/ipsec.conf: 48: could not parse host specification ipsecctl: Syntax error in config file: ipsec rules not loaded How to get around this, that is, get the host named 'parsed' inside the ipsec.conf file towards the correct IP address ? regards Wiljoh
Re: filesystems?
Hi! On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 10:48:27PM -0400, stan wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 07:22:47PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:23:34AM +0200, Tonnerre LOMBARD wrote: On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 05:10:57PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: I think fat32 is a good choice: you have nothing to install. Did you ever have to debug a deep directory structure where something caused all directory to become files? On a 500G disk? Fun. I would suggest that the OP be very specific with what is needed. What size of filesystem? Which operating systems need to read only and which to read and write. Given how flexible Linux and OBSD are, I would guess that the limit will be what can windows do. I don't know since I only used windows 3.1 for some games when I wasn't running OS/2. For 7 years its been Debian and now I'm transitioning to OBSD. I never have to interoperate with windows users. OK, let's eliminate Windows from the requiremant. Now we have OpenBSD, Linux, and FreeBSD in order of importance. All 3 need read/write access. I will be using this to move data, and I want to be able to keep various places in sync, using rsync. So modification date, and file name retention are important. Where does that lead us? For me, ext2 works fine, on a USB hard drive. Initialized it under OpenBSD: First partitioned it into 2 primary partitions, one OpenBSD, one ext2. Edited the disklabel accordingly (have the ext2 on slice i). newfs'ed (a as ffs, mostly for backup purposes for OpenBSD boxen only, i.e. no respect for other OS's needs; i as ext2, using mke2fs from the e2fsprogs port/package). At least on OpenBSD and on Linux it has worked fine up to now, both reading and writing on both platforms. Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Ultraportable Laptop
I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. Do take a look at the Toshiba Portege M's and R's. My M300 has proven extremely stable with OpenBSD. Michael.
Re: Ultraportable Laptop
I love my Fijitsu lifebook q2010. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:01:36PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Lenovo 3000 V100 (V200) is another choice, but it appears they do not have at all the same rugged mechanics as the ThinkPad series. Samsung Q35 is a notebook that appears to have familiar hardware, but I am too much of a novice to tell. Sony Vaio TZ is another praised notebook, but I hear the Sony Vaio series have been no good with OpenBSD. Comments? Has anyone run Samsung Q35? It seems to be the best alternative so far. -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award
But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like address space randomization which makes certain attacks very difficult, especially with the previous two techniques. So when they have a bug, it is exploitable just like bugs are on any other powerpc or i386 machine running some other operating system. These days even operating systems like Vista have the above 3 security technologies. First of all, bugs and viruses are two different things. Second, OS X does not need third-party protection. All of the protection is built into the OS! If Vista is so secure, then why does one need to download virus/spyware protection when it can simply be built into the OS? -The One I don't have virus/spyware protection and I've been fine before with Vista and XP. Perhaps you mean to say why do users who install things they shouldn't need virus/spyware protection? which I would argue that the OS doesn't matter. I could write a script that asks for rootly permission in OS X and start nuking stuff with the promise of prettier icons for their desktop or IM client. If you were to argue for worms and things of the like, then I would agree. The only virus I will probably ever catch is some zero-day that hits the world and gets in my work network (won't happen at my house -- I live alone)
ipsec.conf/ipsecctl interop with Windows XP
Has anyone got ipsec.conf/ipsecctl to interop with Windows XP? I had this working flawlessly with my isakmpd.conf, but rather like the new syntax and want to switch. I have it to the point of giving me this message when I start isakmpd with '-K -d -vvv' 090413.992346 Default isakmpd: phase 1 done: initiator id /C=CA/ST=Ontario/L=Sault Ste. Marie/O=Clean North/[EMAIL PROTECTED], responder id c0a82101: 192.168.33.1, src: 192.168.33.1 dst: 192.168.33.151 But no tunnels are created and no more messages are displayed. My ipsec.conf looks like this (tried with and without the 'quick...' line: ike passive esp from any to 0.0.0.0 main auth hmac-sha1 enc 3des-cbc \ quick auth hmac-sha1 enc 3des-cbc \ group modp1024 And the isakmpd.conf (working) it replaces looks like this: [Phase 1] Default=ISAKMP-peer-WI [Phase-1-ID] ID-type=USER_FQDN Name= [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ISAKMP-peer-WI] Phase= 1 Transport= udp Configuration= Default-main-mode ID= Phase-1-ID [Default-main-mode] DOI=IPSEC EXCHANGE_TYPE= ID_PROT Transforms= 3DES-SHA-RSA [Default-quick-mode] DOI=IPSEC EXCHANGE_TYPE= QUICK_MODE Suites= QM-ESP-AES-SHA-PFS-SUITE [3DES-SHA-RSA] ENCRYPTION_ALGORITHM= 3DES_CBC HASH_ALGORITHM= SHA AUTHENTICATION_METHOD= RSA_SIG GROUP_DESCRIPTION= MODP_1024 Life= LIFE_28800_SECS [LIFE_28800_SECS] LIFE_TYPE= SECONDS LIFE_DURATION= 28800,600:36000 Is there anyone who knows the magic sauce I'm failing to sprinkle on this setup? I would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks. -Dan -- Burnished gallows set with red Caress the fevered, empty mind Of man who hangs bloodied and blind To reach for wisdom, not for bread. -- Deoridhe Grimsdaughter
Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award
Welcome to a really long time ago. --- Lars Hansson
Re: IPSec
Hi, could you try the attached diff, please? Index: message.c === RCS file: /cvs/src/sbin/isakmpd/message.c,v retrieving revision 1.126 diff -u -p -r1.126 message.c --- message.c 2 Jun 2007 01:29:11 - 1.126 +++ message.c 3 Sep 2007 22:30:46 - @@ -927,6 +927,7 @@ message_validate_notify(struct message * if (type ISAKMP_NOTIFY_INVALID_PAYLOAD_TYPE || (type = ISAKMP_NOTIFY_RESERVED_MIN type ISAKMP_NOTIFY_PRIVATE_MIN) || + type == ISAKMP_NOTIFY_STATUS_CONNECTED || (type = ISAKMP_NOTIFY_STATUS_RESERVED1_MIN type = ISAKMP_NOTIFY_STATUS_RESERVED1_MAX) || (type = ISAKMP_NOTIFY_STATUS_DOI_MIN
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 01:53:53AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes, he either does it under the terms of the GPL v2 or under the terms of the BSD, or just as dual licensed. Actually, strictly speaking, the word *alternatively* might be interpreted in a more radical way as meaning you can't distribute in a dual licensed form, but I don't subscribe that. Hi. My understanding is: 1) BSD/ISC and GPL Licenses are just a set of condition that you need to satisfy should you like to re-distribute its code. Two sets, actually, that interssect for the most portion of them. 2) Dual License means you need to satisfy conditions of either BSD/ISC, or GPL. So basically, all it tells you is that you are granted to re-distribute the source code under certain conditions, that however does not grant you any permission to alter its copyright notice, right? If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. Anyway, it's a moot point since the SFLC found a much more polite way of converting to the GNU GPL without needing to remove it. Rui -- Wibble. Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes, he either does it under the terms of the GPL v2 or under the terms of the BSD, or just as dual licensed. Actually, strictly speaking, the word *alternatively* might be interpreted in a more radical way as meaning you can't distribute in a dual licensed form, but I don't subscribe that. Hi. My understanding is: 1) BSD/ISC and GPL Licenses are just a set of condition that you need to satisfy should you like to re-distribute its code. 2) Dual License means you need to satisfy conditions of either BSD/ISC, or GPL. So basically, all it tells you is that you are granted to re-distribute the source code under certain conditions, that however does not grant you any permission to alter its copyright notice, right? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?
Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like hardware available, other than that listed on landisk.html? (does not have to be restricted to OpenBSD/landisk, though) /Alexander
Re: Ultraportable Laptop
anybody with an Asus S6F(m) or U1F running OpenBSD ? These are aslo quite small, and while the S6F is quite thick, it comes with an internal DVD burner. Second battery push the autonomy up to 10h. Thinking about buying it, and using some BSD on it. On 9/4/07, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my Fijitsu lifebook q2010. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 12:01:36PM +0200, Raimo Niskanen wrote: Hi all! I am pondering on which ultraportable laptop would be fine for OpenBSD. The Lenovo ThinkPad X61 comes first to mind since OpenBSD traditionally has been good at ThinkPads, but a display of 1024x768 is too small. They should be bigger nowdays. Lenovo 3000 V100 (V200) is another choice, but it appears they do not have at all the same rugged mechanics as the ThinkPad series. Samsung Q35 is a notebook that appears to have familiar hardware, but I am too much of a novice to tell. Sony Vaio TZ is another praised notebook, but I hear the Sony Vaio series have been no good with OpenBSD. Comments? Has anyone run Samsung Q35? It seems to be the best alternative so far. -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. Anyway, it's a moot point since the SFLC found a much more polite way of converting to the GNU GPL without needing to remove it. speaking of moot and polite, i would appreciate it if you could refrain from posting any further about this topic, as your posts are (1) moot and (2) not very polite to the eyes and brains of other list readers. you have had more than ample opportunity to voice your opinions on the topic, now give it a rest.
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Wow. Let's all go practice law with a dictionary. ? But you mentioned dictionaries first... You do realize that when it comes to legal documents, such as licenses, that general-purpose dictionaries are inadequate, right? If you want to look up legal terms, you need a law dictionary. I think that if one is ignorant enough of law that one needs to consult a legal dictionary for more than one or two terms in order to understand a document, then perhaps it would be best to either do a lot of studying to become more knowledgeable, or find someone with more legal training to interpret the document. As a layperson with little in-depth knowledge of legal code, that's how i see things anyway. Dan RamaleyDial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540Des Moines IA 50311 USA
Re: Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Alexander Hall wrote: Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like hardware available, other than that listed on landisk.html? (does not have to be restricted to OpenBSD/landisk, though) /Alexander Plextor PX-EH h/w has been and is still readily available in the US, though it has been heavily discounted recently at certain online retailers. diana
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Wow. Let's all go practice law with a dictionary. ? But you mentioned dictionaries first... You do realize that when it comes to legal documents, such as licenses, that general-purpose dictionaries are inadequate, right? If you want to look up legal terms, you need a law dictionary. I think that if one is ignorant enough of law that one needs to consult a legal dictionary for more than one or two terms in order to understand a document, then perhaps it would be best to either do a lot of studying to become more knowledgeable, or find someone with more legal training to interpret the document. As a layperson with little in-depth knowledge of legal code, that's how i see things anyway. I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Rui -- Or not. Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
2007/9/5, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 01:53:53AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: 2007/9/3, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then a choice of licenses is offered to the receiver. If he only uses the software, neither affects him, but if he distributes, he either does it under the terms of the GPL v2 or under the terms of the BSD, or just as dual licensed. Actually, strictly speaking, the word *alternatively* might be interpreted in a more radical way as meaning you can't distribute in a dual licensed form, but I don't subscribe that. Hi. My understanding is: 1) BSD/ISC and GPL Licenses are just a set of condition that you need to satisfy should you like to re-distribute its code. Two sets, actually, that interssect for the most portion of them. 2) Dual License means you need to satisfy conditions of either BSD/ISC, or GPL. So basically, all it tells you is that you are granted to re-distribute the source code under certain conditions, that however does not grant you any permission to alter its copyright notice, right? If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. GNU GPL, however, only grants the right to re-distribute (under certain conditions), but not re-license, right? BTW, if satisfying requires in GPL would imply satisfaction of BSDL anyway, no? Rui -- Wibble. Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:38:09 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 11:37:00AM -0500, Daniel A. Ramaley wrote: On Saturday 01 September 2007 17:49, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:40:53PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Wow. Let's all go practice law with a dictionary. ? But you mentioned dictionaries first... You do realize that when it comes to legal documents, such as licenses, that general-purpose dictionaries are inadequate, right? If you want to look up legal terms, you need a law dictionary. I think that if one is ignorant enough of law that one needs to consult a legal dictionary for more than one or two terms in order to understand a document, then perhaps it would be best to either do a lot of studying to become more knowledgeable, or find someone with more legal training to interpret the document. As a layperson with little in-depth knowledge of legal code, that's how i see things anyway. I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT all at the same time. Maybe you need a Heisenberg experience to understand? then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Obviously, yes. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Please, let this thread die. Timo
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT all at the same time. Maybe you need a Heisenberg experience to understand? Are you lying intentionally? NOT all at the same time is far from the definition of the word in that page (which I had already linked to). 1. A situation which allows a choice between two or more possibilities. 2. A choice between two or more possibilities. 3. One of several things which can be chosen. All implying only one, and not both. then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Obviously, yes. Glad to. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Please, let this thread die. Glad you're helping it. Rui -- Hail Eris, Hack Linux! Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
ifstated.conf for pppoe
anybody got an ifstated.conf they're willing to share for having redundancy on their pppoe connection? example: your firewall that does the pppoe goes down and you want another machine to restart the pppoe session and route your network. am building one right now and will post it if nobody else ponies up in the next few hours. cheers, jake --
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Thus Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake on Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:52:59 +0100: On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 09:41:04PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: I think that if *alternative* means both at the same time in any reputable dictionary (legal or not), Show those. Besides this, it is WRONG. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative Hence the meaning of ALTERNATIVE: NOT all at the same time. Maybe you need a Heisenberg experience to understand? Are you lying intentionally? Given that you live in a parallel world where everything is *^-1, I'm saying the truth. Fine, good that you realize that. NOT all at the same time is far from the definition of the word in that page (which I had already linked to). Huh? 1. A situation which allows a choice between two or more possibilities. You are standing at the edge of Niagara Falls (as a matter of fact, your parallel reality might not know something like this, so have a look here [0]). You have the CHOICE of jumping OR stepping back. You do NOT have the possibility to do BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. (Given your not at least an Angel or something similar.) 2. A choice between two or more possibilities. Aha. 3. One of several things which can be chosen. One. Of N. Very clear, isn't it? All implying only one, and not both. Yes, and why do you state the opposite? then I'm on a parallel reality for sure. Obviously, yes. Glad to. Yes, you'd be an all-time winner of the Darwin Awards [1] in this universe. Other than that, you're just being pretentious. Please, let this thread die. Glad you're helping it. Even your universe surely knows people use polemics when running out of facts. Rui Timo [0] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls [1] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards
Question about dynamic DNS (BIND 8 EOL: OpenBSD Makes It Easy)
I read the article on undeadly and a question came up. dhcpd in base install does not support dynamic DNS (which is modern I guess) so I followed this guide to configure a 4.0 box to support it http://www.bsdguides.org/guides/openbsd/networking/dynamic_dns_dhcp.php But the following seems wrong to me: cd /usr/sbin mkdir isc-dhcp-2.0 mv dhcpd isc-dhcp-2.0/ mv /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd dhcpd Because it breaks the rule of packages being outside of the base install. So, what is the correct way to do it? I'm going to upgrade 4.0 to 4.2 when it releases so I actually am looking for information on this. Or, is nobody using dynamic DNS for some reason? Thanks for any advise about this. Tom Van Looy
Re: Question about dynamic DNS (BIND 8 EOL: OpenBSD Makes It Easy)
On 2007/09/04 22:13, Tom Van Looy wrote: But the following seems wrong to me: cd /usr/sbin mkdir isc-dhcp-2.0 mv dhcpd isc-dhcp-2.0/ mv /usr/local/sbin/dhcpd dhcpd oh, that will cause fun 6-12 months later at upgrade time when you've forgotten about it. run it from /usr/local/sbin in rc.local if you must... Or, is nobody using dynamic DNS for some reason? I don't. If you do, watch out for the names people try to register. Amusing things could probably done with wpad, for example.
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:08:46PM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote: Are you lying intentionally? Given that you live in a parallel world where everything is *^-1, I'm saying the truth. Fine, good that you realize that. I don't think you two are adding much to the common knowledge at this point. Perhaps it's best moved to private email. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation
How to properly configure man.conf
Hey guys, Recently started using OpenBSD (4.0) as my development server. I just installed dejagnu and one of the dependencies is TCL. At the end of pkg_add, this is the output * sudo pkg_add -i dejagnu ... dejagnu-1.4.3p4: complete --- tcl-8.4.7p1 --- You may wish to add /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man to /etc/man.conf * I tried editing man.conf and added the following lines, ** _whatdb /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/whatis.db tcl /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/ 9F /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/{man}9 ** Now, I run the following command: ** $ man Tcl man: no entry for Tcl in the manual. $ man -f Tcl Tcl (n) - Tool Command Language ** Am I missing something? Thanks, Amit
Re: How to properly configure man.conf
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:30:43PM -0700, Amit wrote: Hey guys, Recently started using OpenBSD (4.0) as my development server. I just installed dejagnu and one of the dependencies is TCL. At the end of pkg_add, this is the output * sudo pkg_add -i dejagnu ... dejagnu-1.4.3p4: complete --- tcl-8.4.7p1 --- You may wish to add /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man to /etc/man.conf * I tried editing man.conf and added the following lines, ** _whatdb /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/whatis.db tcl /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/ 9F /usr/local/lib/tcl8.4/man/{man}9 ** Now, I run the following command: ** $ man Tcl man: no entry for Tcl in the manual. $ man -f Tcl Tcl (n) - Tool Command Language ** Am I missing something? you'll have to specify the section: $ man -s tcl Tcl that should pick it up, i think. if you add the tcl8.4 dir to _default, you will be able to omit -s. failing that, check that there are pages where you think, and that it is Tcl and not tcl, or somesuch. also see -M, -m, MANPATH, man(1), and man.conf(5). jmc
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
Hi Sunnz, On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:32:20AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. GNU GPL, however, only grants the right to re-distribute (under certain conditions), but not re-license, right? No, the GNU GPL grants you the rights to 0. run it for any purpose 1. study modify it 2. reditribution of pristine copies 3. redistribution of derivatives All this just like the BSD. However, unlike the BSD, it does so in a reciprocal level: if you redistribute in the conditions of 2. or 3. you must license it under these (the GNU GPL's) terms. BTW, if satisfying requires in GPL would imply satisfaction of BSDL anyway, no? It's closer to include than imply, if you want to use these terms, since satisfying the BSDL means allowing proprietary derivatives, which the GPL aims to forbid. Rui -- Kallisti! Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: partioning for multiple OS's
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:30:27AM +0200, Guido Tschakert wrote: stan schrieb: I have a new laptop. It came with Vista on it. I used gpartd to resize those partions, and added Ubuntu. Now I want to add OpenBSD, and FreeBSD. I'd like to do OpenBSD next. When I boot the 4.1 CD, I get to the partioning step, and I am confused. Since I can't figure out how to capture the screen imafe from a machine booted off of the CD. I'll show you what Linux's cfdisk shows. NameFlags Part Type FS Type [Label]Size (MB) -- sda1Primary Unknown (27) 10479.01 sda2BootPrimary FAT16[] 31453.48 sda3Primary Linux ReiserFS3.54 sda5Logical Linux swap / Solaris 3997.49 Logical Free Space74109.78 How can I acomplish this? Hello, do you need to have dual (triple, quadruple) boot, or would you like to hear about other possibilities? Call me old fashinoned, but I prefer multiple boot. -- I'm sorry, no one here has any intentions of helping you with anything. I am the manager of all of Customer Service.
Re: ifstated.conf for pppoe
anybody got an ifstated.conf they're willing to share for having redundancy on their pppoe connection? example: your firewall that does the pppoe goes down and you want another machine to restart the pppoe session and route your network. I dont have the configuration with me right now (and it is probably gone since the site using it does not have adsl anymore) however the most fun configuration I did was something like that: two adsl links, two OpenBSD firewalls, using carp for failover. each firewall had connections to _both_ adsl modems, so that they can balance outgoing stuff. The load balancing was done using multipath routing (route -multi). The carp was used on the inner interface. So if carp was master, I would bring UP both pppoe interfaces if one of the pppoe connections went down, I would adjust routing to route over the remaining session etc. In order to make failover work smoothly, I matched the MAC addresses on the corresponding outer interfaces of each firewall so that they can see the same pppoe sessions, and built the kernel with PPPOE_TERM_UNKNOWN_SESSIONS Can -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.
Max throughput ?
Hey, It was suggested that we create an OpenBSD server with 9GB interfaces to start. 7 Will be used right off the bat. This would function as a core router brining 7 GB networks together on the inside of a main firewall. I suggested that maybe we would have some bandwidth issues with trying to push that much traffic through a single server. Can any one comment on this ? Would it not be better to use some think like a Cisco layer 3 GB switch. -- Michael Gale Nothing is impossible to a willing mind. - Monk Hae Chang
Re: Microsoft gets the Most Secure Operating Systems award
The One wrote: But how would it spread? There have been 2 OS X viruses, yet they spread terribly. And Apple has already fixed the issue. :) -The One On 9/2/07, Kennith Mann III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, The One [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/23/07 2:53 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Symantec have been trying to demonise OS X for a long while. And it is going to work soon. Because OS X has no Propolice-like compiler stack protection, nor anything like W^X which makes parts of the address space non-executable, nor anything like address space randomization which makes certain attacks very difficult, especially with the previous two techniques. So when they have a bug, it is exploitable just like bugs are on any other powerpc or i386 machine running some other operating system. These days even operating systems like Vista have the above 3 security technologies. First of all, bugs and viruses are two different things. Second, OS X does not need third-party protection. All of the protection is built into the OS! If Vista is so secure, then why does one need to download virus/spyware protection when it can simply be built into the OS? -The One I don't have virus/spyware protection and I've been fine before with Vista and XP. Perhaps you mean to say why do users who install things they shouldn't need virus/spyware protection? which I would argue that the OS doesn't matter. I could write a script that asks for rootly permission in OS X and start nuking stuff with the promise of prettier icons for their desktop or IM client. If you were to argue for worms and things of the like, then I would agree. The only virus I will probably ever catch is some zero-day that hits the world and gets in my work network (won't happen at my house -- I live alone) Here we hit the heart of the issue. The virus and spyware detection software for Windows isn't really to protect to the OS. It's to protect the user from themselves.
Re: Any new OpenBSD/landisk hardware?
Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Alexander Hall wrote: Hi all! I've been looking around for the Plextor PX-EH{16,25,40}'s lately and discovered that they seem to be on the way out, if available at all. At least on the Swedish sites. Is there any new OpenBSD compatible landisk-like hardware available, other than that listed on landisk.html? (does not have to be restricted to OpenBSD/landisk, though) /Alexander Plextor PX-EH h/w has been and is still readily available in the US, though it has been heavily discounted recently at certain online retailers. diana That scares me a little, since if there will be no hardware available, I guess the development of obsd/landisk will eventually come to an end. Well, thinking of it, I guess the sh4 could have other uses than serving landisk's. Anyway, you don't happen to know any retailers that ship world-wide (or at least Sweden-wide), with decent shipping costs? I looked around a bit and it seems to me that most of them are only targeting the US market. Of course, I may be totally blind. While at the subject, are the Plextor's really as useless for serving files as sometimes stated? The two drives I'm aiming to buy are supposed to form a geographically separated, rsync'd, storage pair. Mainly for documents, i.e. no streaming video or so. Samba and nfs comes to mind, but really not much more. I'd estimate at most two simultaneous users but probably less. :-) Is the bottleneck a slow processor, the hard drive, lousy I/O or something else? Thanks, /Alexander
switch or server? (was Re: Max throughput ?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/4/07 3:03 PM, Michael Gale wrote: Hey, It was suggested that we create an OpenBSD server with 9GB interfaces to start. I think here you mean 9 1-Gbit/s interfaces 7 Will be used right off the bat. This would function as a core router brining 7 GB networks together on the inside of a main firewall. I suggested that maybe we would have some bandwidth issues with trying to push that much traffic through a single server. RFCs 2544 and 2889 define router and switch test methodologies. A related document, RFC 1242, defines throughput as the maximum zero-loss rate. Note that throughput is a single rate. Ergo, there's no such thing as max or min or any other kind of throughput. There's just throughput. Can any one comment on this ? Would it not be better to use some think like a Cisco layer 3 GB switch. Most el cheapo gig switches will do the job without packet loss. Manageability, routing, an sshd server, redundant power, support, etc., cost extra. Commercial switches achieved line-rate, zero-loss performance around a decade ago, with small-frame latency and jitter in the tens of microseconds. These use ASICs or FPGAs or NPs to get there. Big studly servers equipped with 10G interfaces currently achieve goodput somewhere north of 1G but south of 10G with higher latency and jitter than switches. I'm not aware of anyone getting loss-free performance at N-Gbit/s (where N 7) using server hardware alone. dn iD8DBQFG3eCTyPxGVjntI4IRAqu8AKDotF/6ReuA+V/L2Z6Ng7f8tbCpQgCg1YR4 4g+vFsK6cmph88YQGnrXl54= =0N3R -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: filesystems?
Salut, On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 01:10:14PM +0200, Eric Elena wrote: No I didn't. Is it so fun? :) Oh yes. By the way, I must say that for additional fun, the directory names were A, B, C, ..., Y, Z. Gives you quite something to search for. Tonnerre [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Is Intel 82566MM supported?
Many latest laptops have Intel 82566MM Gigabit Ethernet controller. On man pages I read that em driver supports 82566DC, 82566DM. Is 82566MM supported? Roman.
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:40:30 -0500 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong wrong wrong. You interpretation is not relevant. The interpretation of the law is. You can't go around changing legal interpretation at your convenience. I interpret that downloading mp3s is like totally legal now doesn't make it so. Try it and see what happens. Let me try once more to explain how this works. Here is the license of a piece of code I wrote: * Copyright (c) 2007 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any * purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the * above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies. This means if you want to use my code in any way shape or form you MUST maintain the copyright license. It says on ALL copies therefore this includes other code, binary files, source, GPL goo etc. The whole point is that one can't go around interpreting law. That's a judge's job. I am not interpreting any licenses for anybody, I am stating facts as they exist today in the frame of the law. Don't like that? I suggest suing someone to see if you can get a judge to agree with your interpretation; from there you can claim jurisprudence. On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:52:45AM -0400, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Theo de Raadt wrote: For the record -- I was right and the Linux developers cannot change the licenses in any of those ways proposed in those diffs, or that conversation (http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/28/157). It is illegal to modify a license unless you are the owner/author, because it is a legal document. With respect to both you and Eban, I would disagree.. The law requires complying with the license not preserving it. The license is a part of the copyrighted work. It grants users rights beyond those of copyright law. Wrong. Copyright includes ALL rights; the license is what surrenders some of these rights. Copyright is INCLUSIVE. In other words if if write my totally 1337 program that has NO license it automatically is completely covered by copyright. One can NOT copy it, can NOT modify it can NOT distribute it. It is the most restrictive license. The ISC License requires little more than preserving the copyright notice, not the license itself, And even that I would think is redundant as removing a copyright notice would likely violate copyright law. Not likely; it is breaking the law. BSD Licensed code has found its way into proprietary products, with no availability of source - and no preservation of license. Try to run strings on windows command line utilities. You'll see that they preserved the copyrights as required. If you are not preserving the copyrights and the license in the file you are breaking the law. I did run strings on some Windows XP command line tools just out of curiosity and while I was able to find the copyright line I couldn't find any license. I don't want to reanimate this thread, I want it to die as quickly as possible but I was just wondering why they don't need to provide the license conditions. Jona -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free. Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord Confusion
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
I did run strings on some Windows XP command line tools just out of curiosity and while I was able to find the copyright line I couldn't find any license. The license on that code says: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. What you ran strings on is not source code. It was the binary. Then license on the original code continues: * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the *documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. Well, if you take your Microsoft documentation, and dig really deep, you will find the whole notice copied into it there. Go ahead, you'll find it. Can't take that long. Furthermore, older copies of the license used to say: * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software *must display the following acknowledgement: *This product includes software developed by the University of *California, Berkeley and its contributors. And.. once again, older copies of Windows DID follow that rule, too, just like Sun and everyone else. The only vendor who ever failed to do this was ATT / USL, who included modified BSD manuals in their Unixware commercial distributions, and that mistake resulted in USL losing the USL v BSDI University of California lawsuit. (I have simplified the situation, s/losing/settling at a serious loss/). That particular term was rescinded on July 22, 1999 by UCB, and since that time vendors are no longer required to follow term 3. Some still do, though, since their licensing-in-advertising people haven't heard the news. After UCB recinded that term, Todd Miller and I went and found all the code in the tree where that license term had been copied, and used by a new author -- and we contacted those author and asked them to recind their term too. I think, in the end, they all did. As far as I know the 3-term BSD license is totally dead, except in NetBSD, where their group still pushes developers to place new code under a full 4-term license. Sometimes we reluctantly include such code, hoping that one day this situation can be improved. I don't want to reanimate this thread, I want it to die as quickly as possible but I was just wondering why they don't need to provide the license conditions. Microsoft, like everyone else, follows the license to a 'T'. Sorry, I probably gave you more information than you wanted.
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 06:16:35PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: As far as I know the 3-term BSD license is totally dead, except in NetBSD, where their group still pushes developers to place new code under a full 4-term license. Sometimes we reluctantly include such code, hoping that one day this situation can be improved. The 4 term licence in NetBSD is mostly dead too. It is not pushed as desirable at all, it is up to the individual developer to use the licence they feel appropriate and that seems, more often than not, to be the 3 term licence. Not that it matters much but I think the advertising clause is a waste of time and does make life far more difficult for the people who do want to comply with the licence conditions - they have to trawl through all the code and pull out all the individuals that want their names mentioned. It made a little more sense when the sources were under the BSD umbrella but now it's just silly having to list a cast of thousands in any advertising. -- Brett Lymn
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:16:35 -0600 Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did run strings on some Windows XP command line tools just out of curiosity and while I was able to find the copyright line I couldn't find any license. The license on that code says: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. What you ran strings on is not source code. It was the binary. Then license on the original code continues: * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright *notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the *documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. Well, if you take your Microsoft documentation, and dig really deep, you will find the whole notice copied into it there. Go ahead, you'll find it. Can't take that long. Thanks a lot for the clarification! I don't want to reanimate this thread, I want it to die as quickly as possible but I was just wondering why they don't need to provide the license conditions. Microsoft, like everyone else, follows the license to a 'T'. Sorry, I probably gave you more information than you wanted. You can't get too much information IMO. While I knew the rough lines of the story it's interesting to read some details. Thanks for that! Jona -- I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free. Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord Confusion
Re: Atheros 5424
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron Hsu wrote: I am just wondering if any work is going into the Atheros 5424 chipset? (I noticed some disturbing news about new code being added to the Atheros code.) How much work would be involved to get the chipset working? Documentation? Seriously, why not ask Atheros for programming docs for the chipset in question? -- [100~Plax]sb16i0A2172656B63616820636420726568746F6E61207473754A[dZ1!=b]salax
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
As far as I know the 3-term BSD license is totally dead, except in NetBSD, where their group still pushes developers to place new code under a full 4-term license. Sometimes we reluctantly include such code, hoping that one day this situation can be improved. The 4 term licence in NetBSD is mostly dead too. It is not pushed as desirable at all, it is up to the individual developer to use the licence they feel appropriate and that seems, more often than not, to be the 3 term licence. I beg to differ. Do a grep of their entire tree. You'll be surprised.
Re: That whole Linux stealing our code thing
blah blah blah You are worse than a mother in law. Shut up already. Your drivel stopped being amusing 178000 emails ago. On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 10:18:33PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Hi Sunnz, On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:32:20AM +1000, Sunnz wrote: If the person chooses to use the GNU GPL they have to respect the GNU GPL's conditions, not the BSD ones. GNU GPL, however, only grants the right to re-distribute (under certain conditions), but not re-license, right? No, the GNU GPL grants you the rights to 0. run it for any purpose 1. study modify it 2. reditribution of pristine copies 3. redistribution of derivatives All this just like the BSD. However, unlike the BSD, it does so in a reciprocal level: if you redistribute in the conditions of 2. or 3. you must license it under these (the GNU GPL's) terms. BTW, if satisfying requires in GPL would imply satisfaction of BSDL anyway, no? It's closer to include than imply, if you want to use these terms, since satisfying the BSDL means allowing proprietary derivatives, which the GPL aims to forbid. Rui -- Kallisti! Today is Boomtime, the 28th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3173 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...?
Re: How do I configure Cyclades Z serial ports with OpenBSD?
OK, thanks for the pointers! I rebuilt the kernel, uncommenting the cz driver. Installed the new kernel on that machine, rebooted. Now I get: Sep 4 21:15:18 log01 /bsd: cz0 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 Cyclades Cyclom-Z rev 0x01cz0: Cyclades-Ze, no channels at tached, firmware 3.3.1 Sep 4 21:15:18 log01 /bsd: cz0: polling mode, 20 ms interval (2 ticks) But I don't see any /dev/ttyZ?? ports. What do I do next? Thanks! Don On 9/2/07, Martin Reindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am running OpenBSD 4.1 stable. I installed a Cyclades Ze PCI card, and hooked it up to the external 1U box. When my machine boots, I see: Cyclades Cyclom-Z rev 0x01 at pci1 dev 9 function 0 not configured So the OS/driver does see the card. How do I get from where I am to functioning /dev/ttyZ?? ports? Thank you in advance for any advice or pointers you can give me. Don Have a look at the cz(4) driver, you need to comment it out in GENERIC (preferably in -current).