Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Michael Dexter
By this, I mean, developers *are* working on improving the features currently offered by OpenBSD. In general people work on things which they will find the most useful first. Sometimes this matches up with what you want, other times it doesn't. Are they willing to take a suggestions from the

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me take a stab of responding to this... Thanks for responding... On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 05:33:12PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Hi, NOTE: No intention to behave like a troll. I've been following the

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread raven
Zbigniew Baniewski ha scritto: On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 09:52:34PM +0100, raven wrote: Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply to my mails. I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. But, you still dumb. I can see

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Siegbert Marschall
Hi, It gets stranger. How is a bare bones code ever going to be useful to a non developing user? Its useful to them only when its part of an overall system. And that overall system in a really usable state is only available via CDs which need to be purchased. aehm, hello ? I do buy the cd's,

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread raven
Jussi Peltola ha scritto: For each message in this thread that I consider insulting (10 so far), I will donate 1 euro to OpenBSD to compensate for lost developer time reading such messages. Being a student my budget can't take more, but at least I try to be grateful. Keep up the good work

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 2/17/08, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff Steckel wrote: Threads or any other form of uncontrolled resource sharing are very bad ideas. that might be true for those that don't understand threads. for other it can be highly benefitial. Indeed, threads are bad strikes me as

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Brian
--- Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to run more of the same you fork. Threads usefulness are limited in scope. Threads dangers are endless. Nonetheless there are good reasons for threading; just not as many as people give it credit for. Ssh is not one of those use

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Geoff Steckel
Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 2/17/08, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff Steckel wrote: Threads or any other form of uncontrolled resource sharing are very bad ideas. that might be true for those that don't understand threads. for other it can be highly benefitial. Indeed, threads are

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
If you want to run more of the same you fork. Threads usefulness are limited in scope. Threads dangers are endless. Nonetheless there are good reasons for threading; just not as many as people give it credit for. Ssh is not one of those use cases where threading is important. On Sun, Feb 17,

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread David Higgs
On Feb 17, 2008 8:01 PM, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 2/17/08, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff Steckel wrote: Threads or any other form of uncontrolled resource sharing are very bad ideas. that might be true for those that don't understand

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Leonardo Rodrigues
Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own code well enough to have completed it. BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about how you've put in your blood, sweat and tears, but forget to understand the point that without us users you are

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread System Administrator
To the majority on this list -- my apologies if I end up feeding this troll instead of making him 'go away'. to the OP -- this is why you got absolutely NO answer from the devs. and now for the archives in the hopes that at least some of the future would be posters will research before

Re: Nfsen and php problems...?

2008-02-17 Thread Richard Daemon
On Feb 17, 2008 7:15 AM, Peter Haag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On February 17, 2008 11:28:42 AM +0100 Peter Haag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | | --On February 16, 2008 11:20:29 PM -0500 Richard Daemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | | Hi, | | | | I'm really stumped on this and any help

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Geoff Steckel
David Higgs wrote: On Feb 17, 2008 8:01 PM, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg Reynolds wrote: On 2/17/08, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff Steckel wrote: Threads or any other form of uncontrolled resource sharing are very bad ideas. that might be true for those that

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: threads is a particular programming model of multiple execution contexts in a (mostly) shared memory and (mostly) shared resource environment which is not cost-effective for producing reliable software. Only because people design threaded programs

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:52 AM, Jason Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: On Feb 18, 2008 1:16 AM, David Higgs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 17, 2008 1:53 PM, Mayuresh Kathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its good to know that Ted did indeed try to

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 2:25 AM, Kenneth R Westerback [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:44AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: On Feb 17, 2008 11:23 PM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me take a stab of responding to this... Thanks for responding... On Sun, Feb

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 2:22 AM, raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayuresh Kathe ha scritto: Raven, learn to write understandable English first, then try to reply to my mails. I will try, thanks for a suggestion, english not is my mother tongue. But, you still dumb. English isn't my native

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Daniel Hagerty
Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: threads is a particular programming model of multiple execution contexts in a (mostly) shared memory and (mostly) shared resource environment which is not cost-effective for producing reliable software. Are you really unable to see the irony in

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread David Higgs
On Feb 17, 2008 11:16 PM, Geoff Steckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Higgs wrote: Assuming that a software program is not system-critical or requires high security, and it benefits greatly from a shared memory/resource model, I fail to see why threading can not be cost-effective. May I

Re: Issue with carp int going to MASTER state on two boxes

2008-02-17 Thread kyle
I forgot to post a followup to this. I had a buddy of mine who ran into a similiar issue the other day which was the exact problem I had had. I figured it out way back when(year ago?) and if he just ran into the problem now Im sure others have and will in the future. The issue was the network the

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Han Boetes
Lies chefren wrote: ... Richard Stallman stopped [coding] doing so long time ago... B) Richard Stallman puts users first, =like you!=, Richard Stallman =believes= users are more important than coders so coders should be enslaved by the users. Which is plain STUPID since without coders

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 7:57 AM, Leonardo Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually what Ted has done was utterly disastrous, he knows his own code well enough to have completed it. BTW, you are as big an oaf as Richard Stallman, you keep ranting about how you've put in your blood, sweat and

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Zbigniew Baniewski
On Sun, Feb 17, 2008 at 10:20:22PM -0500, System Administrator wrote: To the majority on this list -- my apologies if I end up feeding this troll instead of making him 'go away'. to the OP -- this is why you got absolutely NO answer from the devs. and now for the archives in the hopes that

Re: What is our ultimate goal??

2008-02-17 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Feb 18, 2008 1:55 AM, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mayuresh Kathe wrote: think a generally usable 64/128 bit file system, you have that much porn that you need a 128bit fs? Ya I do :)

need some help with base httpd

2008-02-17 Thread System Administrator
After spending the weekend testing this every which way and searching the net and archives to no avail, I need a few more eyes to help determine whether this is a bug, a feature, or some minor stupidity on my part... First the environment: OpenBSD 4.2-stable (GENERIC) #1: Fri Feb 1 02:28:33

Re: take threads off the table

2008-02-17 Thread Marc Balmer
Marco Peereboom wrote: If you want to run more of the same you fork. Threads usefulness are limited in scope. Threads dangers are endless. Nonetheless there are good reasons for threading; just not as many as people give it credit for. Ssh is not one of those use cases where threading is

Re: need some help with base httpd

2008-02-17 Thread Richard Toohey
On 18/02/2008, at 8:31 PM, System Administrator wrote: After spending the weekend testing this every which way and searching the net and archives to no avail, I need a few more eyes to help determine whether this is a bug, a feature, or some minor stupidity on my part... [cut] into a file to