Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Bernd Ahlers
Marc Espie [Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:30:28PM +0200] wrote: It's because of gitk which is a repository browser (or so http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html tells me). Annoying that there's no git-no_x11 but them's the breaks. Makes no sense. It's clearly a multi-package situation, not flavor.

subr_pool: question

2008-07-16 Thread banana split
hello, I've a question (maybe a stupid one). I have a problem with a box so I'm start searching the reason of this problem. By reading the code I'm wondering what are the circumstances under which the code panics in pool_do_get (different sentinel values...) specifically in #ifdef DIAGNOSTIC

Re: sendmail STARTTLS

2008-07-16 Thread Hugo Villeneuve
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:27:38AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2008-07-14, GVG GVG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any more idea on this subject? Something I should check that I missed? Your help is much appreciated I would go through starttls(8) again from scratch, it does work. Maybe I

Re: Hardware recommendation for firewalls (more than 4 NICs)

2008-07-16 Thread Russell Howe
Claer wrote, sometime around 15/07/08 07:31: On Mon, Jul 14 2008 at 28:15, Mart?n Coco wrote: Thanks! Have you tried the quad nics on those Dells? We do have a couple of R200s, 860s and 850s running with 2 dual port cards no problem, but we have never tried the quad ports. Hello, I do

Re: gnome-display-properties for OpenBSD ?

2008-07-16 Thread Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 07:34:37PM -0700, my mail wrote: --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jasper Lievisse Adriaanse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: gnome-display-properties for OpenBSD ? hi, yep, correct. please see

swap-encryption paper missing from www/index.html

2008-07-16 Thread Jonathan Thornburg
A web-site glitch: The paper Neils Provos Encrypting Virtual Memory http://www.openbsd.org/papers/swapencrypt.ps is missing from the OpenBSD related pre3sentations papers index page http://www.openbsd.org/papers/index.html ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] t =

Re: Routing on source

2008-07-16 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:10:54 +0200 Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-03 15:18]: * Daniel Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-06-25 06:39]: The mechanism you seek is the route-to and reply-to. using a seperate routing table (route -T 1 add

Re: subr_pool: question

2008-07-16 Thread Artur Grabowski
It happens when some memory was freed to the pool and then modified after it was freed. //art banana split [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hello, I've a question (maybe a stupid one). I have a problem with a box so I'm start searching the reason of this problem. By reading the code I'm wondering

Re: Identifying Bandwidth Hogs

2008-07-16 Thread Dave Wilson
Sean Malloy wrote: Hello, Maybe NetFlow. Checkout the pfflowd and flowd packages. I seem to recall it being said that the recent change if the pfsync protocols (which pfflowd uses as its datasource) means that since 4.3 (possibly 4.2, I forget when the pfsync stuff went in) pfflowd doesn't

subr_pool: pool.9 needs to be updated

2008-07-16 Thread banana split
sorry if I'm wrong but pool cache has gone so man pages needs to be updated Index: pool.9 === RCS file: /cvs/src/share/man/man9/pool.9,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -p -u -r1.36 pool.9 --- pool.9 26 Jun 2008 05:42:08 -

apc Back-UPS ES 525

2008-07-16 Thread sonjaya
Dear all, i have small ups seri APC / Back-UPS ES 525 , how to joint and control with openbsd , i try using apc-upsd when test not working. then i try nut but unknown driver. if any sucsess story can share to me :) -- sonjaya http://sicute.blogspot.com

tagging in NAT rules not working

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Fretz
Hello Iv've the following problem in PF with NAT / Filtering, OpenBSD 4.4 (-current): pf nat rule: nat log on bge0 inet from 172.16.12.128/27 tag natted - 88.82.xx.xx pf filter rule: pass log quick all flags S/SA keep state tagged natted the packed is dropped by my default deny rule (the rule

OpenBSD 4.3 and relayd from -current (make fails)

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Fretz
Hello I want to use relayd on OpenBSD 4.3 Release (i386). I've the problem, that relayd exits as soon as all checked hosts are down. The problem was described by this post: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/142876 So I tested relayd in openbsd -current (4.4 beta i think) and it works

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Tony Abernethy
MY APOLOGIES --- getting cross-eyed in my old age. On 7/16/08, Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: anip If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). I most certainly did not write

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-16 Thread Ed Ahlsen-Girard (TYBRIN Corp.)
-Original Message- From: Jim Razmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:58 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0 I would like it to automatically ping Adobe looking for the Flash player that is not available. When I'm particularly

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Tony Abernethy
Ted Unangst wrote: anip If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). The parallel argument is that if any GUI tool has a command line helper function, then that package is broken. (Microsoft Windows still has a

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: On 7/15/08, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm sending an email to misc when a package depends on X that should **NOT** depend on X. That's what's broken, obviously, if you're saying I should be

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: On 7/15/08, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm sending an email to misc when a package depends on X that should **NOT** depend on X. That's what's broken, obviously, if you're saying I should be installing X on a production server. NOT.

Re: tagging in NAT rules not working

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Smith
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Marco Fretz wrote: pf nat rule: nat log on bge0 inet from 172.16.12.128/27 tag natted - 88.82.xx.xx pf filter rule: pass log quick all flags S/SA keep state tagged natted FWIW, you no longer need to specify flags S/SA keep state as it is the default. It does work

Re: Identifying Bandwidth Hogs

2008-07-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-16, Dave Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Malloy wrote: Hello, Maybe NetFlow. Checkout the pfflowd and flowd packages. I seem to recall it being said that the recent change if the pfsync protocols (which pfflowd uses as its datasource) means that since 4.3 (possibly 4.2,

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/16/08, Tony Abernethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: anip If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). I most certainly did not write that.

Re: OpenBSD 4.3 and relayd from -current (make fails)

2008-07-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-16, Marco Fretz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I tested relayd in openbsd -current (4.4 beta i think) and it works fine. now the stupid question: how to compile this version of relayd for 4.3. the simple answer: you don't. If you want -current relayd, the rest of -current comes along

IBM x335 1u server advice

2008-07-16 Thread Stuart VanZee
Does anyone here have some experiance with an IBM x335 1u server. I am looking at a couple of these for use in some basic general server stuff using OpenBSD but they don't have PS/2 Keyboard ports. Just some sort of KVM connector called ct2 that I have never heard of. Would I be able to ingore

Re: apc Back-UPS ES 525

2008-07-16 Thread Vadim Zhukov
16 July 2008 c. 16:41:55 sonjaya wrote: Dear all, i have small ups seri APC / Back-UPS ES 525 , how to joint and control with openbsd , i try using apc-upsd when test not working. then i try nut but unknown driver. if any sucsess story can share to me :) Search mail archives of ports@

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: You could also use a less retarded source control system. Not my choice, unfortunately, .. almost all of the Rails projects use GIT. Lee == Leland V. Lammert[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chief

Re: rtorrent problems - solved?

2008-07-16 Thread viq
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Artur Grabowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry for the carpet bombing, I grabbed the list of people who I saw report problems with rtorrent. I'm writing to ask those who had problems with rtorrent try it again with newest

Re: pfctl

2008-07-16 Thread Nathan Rickerby
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:16:08PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Stuart Henderson escreveu: On 2008-07-14, Charlie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed that you are unable to view the currently loaded options for pf using pfctl, even 'pfctl -sa' doesn't show the options

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy wrote (to tedu@): Out of curiosity, what happens when you install X but answer no to the question about intending to RUN X? ... It would install all the C crap and not put startx in rc, in

This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Siju George
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? --Siju

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called flash. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:21:33AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard (TYBRIN Corp.) wrote: -Original Message- From: Jim Razmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:58 PM To: misc@openbsd.org

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread STeve Andre'
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 13:33:31 Siju George wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? --Siju Let me be the first to say-- Who cares? I may completely disagree with him, but I'm not going to invest in a flame fest over his comments.

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread (private) HKS
++ -HKS Let me be the first to say-- Who cares? I may completely disagree with him, but I'm not going to invest in a flame fest over his comments. To each their own. --STeve Andre'

in-kernel pppoe issue with username/password length

2008-07-16 Thread asd asd
First of all I would like to say you hello! I have some problems on setting up a OpenBSD box as gateway for pppoe connection. I'm using a DSL modem running in bridge mode / well, i try to use it :) /. PPPOE username/password are 16 character in length and i believe this is a issue with

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Denis Doroshenko
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? haha, poor linus cries like a baby coz not everyone is gonna kiss his ass these days. of course security is not that important! there

GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Morton Harrow
Dear gentlemen (and included list-members), Let me first introduce myself. My name is Morton Harrow, senior GNU/Linux consultant in the London metropolitan area. I have been around in the Open Source world since the early beginning. I am very happy with the spirit and efforts of the Free Software

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marcus Andree
snip I may completely disagree with him, but I'm not going to invest in a flame fest over his comments. snip Being here when Stallman started the last flame nuclear holocaust war, I feel a weird sense of deja-vu right now.

Re: in-kernel pppoe issue with username/password length

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Balmer
* asd asd wrote: First of all I would like to say you hello! I have some problems on setting up a OpenBSD box as gateway for pppoe connection. I'm using a DSL modem running in bridge mode / well, i try to use it :) /. PPPOE username/password are 16 character in length and i believe this

Re: pfctl

2008-07-16 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Nathan Rickerby escreveu: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:16:08PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Stuart Henderson escreveu: On 2008-07-14, Charlie Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have noticed that you are unable to view the currently loaded options for pf using pfctl,

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
*yawn* linus' opinion is as interesting as his relevance. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:03:31PM +0530, Siju George wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? --Siju

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread mcb, inc.
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Siju George wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? To me, security is important. But it's no less important than everything *else* that is also important! I.e. there are no shades of gray in import hence

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marti Martinez
From http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys Well, shit, he's got ME nailed... -- Systems Programmer, Principal Electrical Computer Engineering The University of Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of your asses and actually read his words with the use of some common sense you might get what he means. It's a balanced opinion. From what i've seen so far in this list, the BSD-crowd *is* a bunch of masturbating monkeys anyway, i get much more

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Denis Doroshenko escreveu: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? haha, poor linus cries like a baby coz not everyone is gonna kiss his ass these days. of

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Marcus Andree
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Morton Harrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear gentlemen (and included list-members), Let me first introduce myself. My name is Morton Harrow, senior GNU/Linux Hmmm... something is telling me this message won't have a happy end. consultant in the London

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
We have that already. /* * Copyright (c) CCYY YOUR NAME HERE [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any * purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above * copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Balmer
* Denis Doroshenko wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? haha, poor linus cries like a baby coz not everyone is gonna kiss his ass these days. of course

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marcus Andree
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? To me, security is important. But it's no less important than everything *else* that is also important! I.e. there are no shades of gray in import hence importance is black-and-while. H... IMO,

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
debian users are masturbating amoebas On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:47:54PM +0100, Nuno Magalh??es wrote: Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of your asses and actually read his words with the use of some common sense you might get what he means. It's a balanced opinion. From

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: On 7/15/08, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm sending an email to misc when a package depends on X that should **NOT** depend on X. That's what's broken, obviously, if you're saying I should be installing X on a production server. NOT.

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Nuno Magalhces [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here it's rtfm and chest-thumping. because here, many people have spent many hours making sure tfm gives you all the information you need

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Aaron Glenn
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? I like to think OpenBSD attracts the kind of people that come up with their own opinions from their own experiences and don't invest

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy wrote: Ted Unangst wrote: anip If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). The parallel argument is that if any GUI tool has a command line helper function, then that

contact info for PC Weasel?

2008-07-16 Thread James Hartley
Does anyone have any information on contacting/ordering a PC Weasel? Their Website: http://www.realweasel.com/ ...is still up, but an inquiry sent to info@ last week is still unanswered. According to a Calgary operator, the number listed on the Website is no longer in service, searching

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Steve Shockley
Nuno MagalhC#es wrote: From what i've seen so far in this list, the BSD-crowd *is* a bunch of masturbating monkeys anyway I'm not a monkey.

GPL version 5

2008-07-16 Thread Reyk Floeter
Dear list-members, (* let me introduce myself. My name is Reyk Floeter, OpenBSD hacker from the Hannover area. I have been around in the Open Source world since a while. I am very happy with the spirit and efforts of the OpenBSD project (www.openbsd.org). As the name mentions Open, one would

Re: tagging in NAT rules not working

2008-07-16 Thread Chris Smith
On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Chris Smith wrote: pass log quick all flags S/SA keep state tagged natted Just to clarify my thinking - the packet has to be passed in before it can be natted which applies, in your case, the natted tag, changing the above to a pass out rule and then add a pass in

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:08:51PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Ted Unangst wrote: On 7/15/08, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm sending an email to misc when a package depends on X that should **NOT** depend on X. That's what's broken, obviously, if

negative values in vmstat?

2008-07-16 Thread Daniel Barowy
Hello everyone, Can someone here shed some light on why my vmstat might have negative values? If I understand the manpage correctly (and Henning and Phillipp's paper on tuning), these values are nonsensical: $ vmstat wd0 wd1 sd0 procs memorypagedisks

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/16/08, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was mentioned earlier that there is a non-X version in ports - why don't the maintainers FIX the problem and make that the package instead of all this bitching about why people compain about broken packages? The problem was fixed months

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Landry Breuil
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't fix the main problem, however, .. a version control package should NOT be in packages as an X flavor. It was mentioned earlier that there is a non-X version in ports - why don't the maintainers FIX the

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
Oh he now develops code? I thought that ended somewhere in in '95. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:45:23PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Denis Doroshenko escreveu: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Marco Peereboom escreveu: Oh he now develops code? I thought that ended somewhere in in '95. On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:45:23PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: Denis Doroshenko escreveu: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Don Hiatt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L. V. Lammert It was mentioned earlier that there is a non-X version in ports - why don't the maintainers FIX the problem and make that the package instead of all this bitching about why people compain about broken packages?

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Aaron W. Hsu
Hrm . . . From: Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: misc misc@openbsd.org Subject: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Just to be clear: The process we follow to increase security is simply a

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Kevin Wilcox
2008/7/16 Nuno MagalhC#es [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of your asses and actually read his words with the use of some common sense you might get what he means. It's a balanced opinion. It's not that it isn't a balanced opinion or that he may be right

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Stuart VanZee
From: Marti Martinez From http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys Well, shit, he's got ME nailed... -- Systems Programmer, Principal Electrical Computer Engineering The University of Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] I

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Miod Vallat
Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1?

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Bob Beck
On 16-Jul-08, at 12:14 PM, Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a monkey. Hey but I am! Pass the banana flavoured lube! Oook oook oook! Now could we return to useful conversation instead of feeding the trolls? -Bob

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Almir Karic
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:03:00PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: debian users are masturbating amoebas is this really necessary? and if so why?

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Jason Dixon
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:08:57PM -0700, Aaron Glenn wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? I like to think OpenBSD attracts the kind of people that come up

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 09:54 PM 7/16/2008 +0200, Landry Breuil wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't fix the main problem, however, .. a version control package should NOT be in packages as an X flavor. It was mentioned earlier that there is a non-X version

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 09:54 PM 7/16/2008 +0200, Landry Breuil wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:08 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That doesn't fix the main problem, however, .. a version control package should NOT be in packages as an X flavor. It was mentioned earlier that there is a non-X version

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Nick Guenther
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Nuno Magalhces [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of your asses and actually read his words with the use of some common sense you might get what he means. It's a balanced opinion. From what i've seen so far in this

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:06:23PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1? That might converge in some sense. If the end is to be something like license.template, then we're talking about GPL version theta, where

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:42:15PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: I always do my homework, Is the following mindless word-drool about 'put startx into rc' an example of how you do your homework? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Tony Abernethy

Huawei E220 on ALIX

2008-07-16 Thread Martin Schmitt
Hi all! I'm trying to use a Huawei E220 UMTS USB modem on an ALIX, using OpenBSD Flashdist 20080504. I have extended the GEODE configuration as follows: # diff -c /opt/flashdist-20080504/GEODE /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/conf/GEODE *** /opt/flashdist-20080504/GEODE Sun May 4 21:32:07 2008 ---

Re: Huawei E220 on ALIX

2008-07-16 Thread Ryan McBride
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24:36PM +0200, Martin Schmitt wrote: I'm trying to use a Huawei E220 UMTS USB modem on an ALIX, using OpenBSD Flashdist 20080504. Please try this with the GENERIC kernel, and report back to us if you still have a problem.

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of terms the GPLv3 provides. You

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 05:23 PM 7/16/2008 -0400, William Boshuck wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:42:15PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: I always do my homework, Is the following mindless word-drool about 'put startx into rc' an example of how you do your homework? Yep, .. though I relied on another post instead

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Pecaut
On 7/16/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called flash. But then how will I watch Ow! My balls! videos online? What will I do? -Mark

Re: [gnu.org #367522] GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Zak Greant
Greetings All, At many of you have realized, this is a textbook troll [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) ]. For my part, I'm muting this thread and moving on. -- Cheers! --zak

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Morton Harrow
- Original Message - From: Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Morton Harrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GPL version 4 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:06:23 + Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1? Hi Miod, Most of the people

Re: Huawei E220 on ALIX

2008-07-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-16, Ryan McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24:36PM +0200, Martin Schmitt wrote: I'm trying to use a Huawei E220 UMTS USB modem on an ALIX, using OpenBSD Flashdist 20080504. Please try this with the GENERIC kernel, and report back to us if you still have

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Al Viro
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 05:31:15AM +0800, Morton Harrow wrote: In addition to the announcement of the GPLv4, I was trying to discuss another point. Piss off. 1) if you read the text of GPL, you will notice that later versions are explicitly limited to the versions published by FSF.

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread David Collier-Brown
Morton Harrow wrote: Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1? To quote Fred Weigel, they should be 3 3.1 3.14 3.141 3.1415 3.14159 --dave -- David Collier-Brown| Always do right. This

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
Yes it is. To illustrate the stupidity and pointlessness of this all. Linus is a troll, we know, who cares? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:34:07PM +0200, Almir Karic wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:03:00PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: debian users are masturbating amoebas is this really

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:45:23PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: | I took the care of reading all the thread. The guy is just asking linus | why the policy about security bugs isn't being followed. Linus replies | him telling that he do not want script kiddies to exploit the bugs. He | even

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-16 Thread Daniel W Barowy
Marco Peereboom wrote: I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called flash. On the other hand, web developers think this thing is hot shit. I certainly share your sentiment, but having just come from a web development class where the instructor essentially

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 05:41:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You missed an important philosophical point. In Richard Stallman's world view, it isn't the user's freedoms that matter, it's the *software*s freedom. Oh, great. First poeple bend the term freedom (like FSF does), then they

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Daniel B.
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Morton Harrow wrote: Dear gentlemen (and included list-members), Let me first introduce myself. My name is Morton Harrow, senior GNU/Linux consultant in the London metropolitan area. I have been around in the Open Source world since the early beginning. I am very happy

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). You don't get it, so I'll explain it. There are a lot of packages in OpenBSD. We can spend time

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:47:54PM +0100, Nuno Magalhces wrote: Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of your asses and actually read his words with the use of some common sense you might get what he means. It's a balanced opinion. It's a totally misinformed opinion. Quoting In

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:23:26PM -0400, Daniel W Barowy wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called flash. On the other hand, web developers think this thing is hot shit. I certainly share your sentiment, but having just come

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). You don't get it, so I'll explain it. Yes, I DO get it,

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread Damien Miller
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case in this situation). You

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Joe S
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Morton Harrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our planned release date of GPLv4 is 15th September 2008. That's scary. I'm staying indoors, shutting down any linux/windows pc's and not leaving the house that day.

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread bofh
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:41 PM, L. V. Lammert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Marc Espie wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:30:02AM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote: If a command line tool like git has a 'GUI Helper', then that package is broken (which, I believe, is the case

Re: 'Nother broken package - git-1.5.4.2

2008-07-16 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 10:52 AM 7/17/2008 +1000, Damien Miller wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, L. V. Lammert wrote: You know, if you spent 1/10th of the effort that you have wasted ranting on learning the ports system then you could have modified the port to place the X11-requiring bits in a subpackage already. It

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-16 Thread Jason Beaudoin
Most of the people who have replied seem to be missing the point. I just don't know what you brought the discussion to this mailing list. If it is of serious concern to you, and if you haven't realized that he probably won't care (or agree), talk to rms about this. Either way, it's all your

uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries

2008-07-16 Thread jared r r spiegel
cri on jul 11 snapshots now, have gone thru i think 2 or 3 snapshot iterations since ~early/mid june. first recorded/noticed incident of the 'uvm_mapent_alloc: out of static map entries' jobby was jun.16th while running a DEBUG.MP kernel i had made in attempt to catch more info on a

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