Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread Travers Buda
I'd like to present GPL version 10^100^100! (that's not an exclaimation, that's a factorial.) Over the years, clauses have been _removed_ from BSD-like licenses. The GPL keeps getting things _added_. *insert some sort of wisdom here about how this means BSD-like is better* Reading (and

which to donate? (WAS: Re: problems with Areca ARC-1200)

2008-07-17 Thread Ryan Corder
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Ryan Corder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, is it the firmware? the definition in pcidevs? I'm just baffled as to why the card shows up but the drives don't. I really, really don't want to keep Linux on this machine, so _any_ help is greatly appreciated.

Re: in-kernel pppoe issue with username/password length

2008-07-17 Thread Росен Петков
First and foremost because i've try it several times, always end with an error in setspppname. Second, i'm not the only one facing it - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/729287.html at bottom of page rhade describes what he found. Third - when using guest:guest /ISP

Re: tcpdump -X

2008-07-17 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my using ifconfig. -- David Hill Thanks for your prompt reply. Just out

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread Han Boetes
Morton Harrow wrote: Let me first introduce myself. My name is Morton Harrow, senior GNU/Linux consultant in the London metropolitan area. I have been around in the Open Source world since the early beginning. I am very happy with the spirit and efforts of the Free Software Foundation (FSF).

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread dermiste
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:01 AM, scar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Marco Peereboom @ 2008/07/16 23:00: Flash is only good for a few things such as naked ladies performing anatomic tricks, dude getting punched in the ding-dong Trogodor the

Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

2008-07-17 Thread viq
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 08:12:15PM -0700, my mail wrote: it's possible to do this? install VMware 5.5 or 6 in OpenBSD 4.3? i have found this link after google, but this for OpenBSD before 2003-10-13. I want using OpenBSD for Desktop for my primary OS and then install Windows XP in VMware.

Re: in-kernel pppoe issue with username/password length

2008-07-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-07-17, =?windows-1251?B?0O7x5e0gz+Xy6u7i?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First and foremost because i've try it several times, always end with an error in setspppname. Second, i'm not the only one facing it - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/729287.html at

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Gregory Edigarov
Marco Peereboom wrote: debian users are masturbating amoebas just cannot imagine how could an amoeba jerk off you will certainly get a prize... :-) :-))) : :D On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:47:54PM +0100, Nuno Magalh??es wrote: Eheh he's right :-) If you guys get your heads out of

Re: pppoe0 doesn't get ip address - how to reconnect ?

2008-07-17 Thread Vadim Zhukov
15 July 2008 c. 14:57:58 Henning Brauer wrote: * Xavier Millihs-Lacroix [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-15 09:02]: Sometimes when I boot a soekris box (net5501) - OpenBSD 4.3, I didn't get each times an ip address for the pppoe0 link. This is a problem as I can connect to this box only remotely.

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread ropers
2008/7/17 Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Morton Harrow wrote: Let me first introduce myself. My name is Morton Harrow, senior GNU/Linux consultant in the London metropolitan area. I have been around in the Open Source world since the early beginning. I am very happy with the spirit and efforts

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Almir Karic
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 05:10:46PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Yes it is. To illustrate the stupidity and pointlessness of this all. Linus is a troll, we know, who cares? insulting anyone is IMHO hardly ever necessary/good, trolling (of known folks, such as linus and rms) is (again IMHO)

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Fergus Wilde
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 18:33, you wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? --Siju OpenBSD - proudly powered by primates' privates -- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: 0161 834 7961 Fax: 0161 839

Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

2008-07-17 Thread my mail
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3? Try having a look at qemu. -- viq ok, will try it if i use qemu i still use bridged networking like VMware ? thx

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: 1. I suddenly don't care 2. I will not purchase anything from you 3. I'll find alternatives who make my experience better 4. I'll save some time by not watching some retarded video It

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Artur Grabowski
Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, when he tries to say that the OpenBSD crowd has a different attitude, I don't know who he's referring to, but certainly not me. That's the funniest part about this. If the attitude we have about the issue in that disucssion makes us a bunch of wanking

Re: amd64 with 4Go and azalia

2008-07-17 Thread Markus Hennecke
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, OUSADOU Azwaw wrote: Hi all, I have a amd64 computer with 4Go of memory. When i boot i have this error : azalia0 at pci1 dev 0 function 1 vendor ATI, unknown product 0xaa30 rev 0x00: can't map device i/o space azalia1 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 Intel 82801I HD Audio rev

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Karl Sjodahl - dunceor
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: 1. I suddenly don't care 2. I will not purchase anything from you 3. I'll find alternatives who make my

Re: pppoe0 doesn't get ip address - how to reconnect ?

2008-07-17 Thread Xavier Milliès-Lacroix
The soekris box seems now working. I have to wait several days... I just add in the file : /etc/rc.shutdown ifconfig pppoe0 down Thanks a lot all for your help. I 'll have a look also for PPOE_TERM_UNKNOWN_SESSIONS Regards. Xavier. 2008/7/17 Vadim Zhukov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 15 July 2008 c.

Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

2008-07-17 Thread viq
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:58:08AM -0700, my mail wrote: --- On Thu, 7/17/08, viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3? Try having a look at qemu. -- viq ok, will try it if i use qemu i still use bridged

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread ropers
2008/7/17 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Making excuses for flash isn't helping. You can't say: I agree but I use it anyway because I want teh nekid ladies. No, no, take it from an old Masturbating Monkey, most of the pr0n videos out there on teh Intartubes do not in fact require aBLOBe

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Jason Beaudoin
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: 1. I suddenly don't care 2. I will not purchase anything from you 3. I'll find alternatives who make my

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 16, 2008, Morton Harrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of terms the GPLv3 provides. For

Re: Identifying Bandwidth Hogs

2008-07-17 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: does anyone know of a document or website that has a tourtorial on setting up a netflow sensor, collector, etc. Sam Fourman Jr. i have a very large nfdump running at work

Re:

2008-07-17 Thread ropers
2008/7/15 Vadim Zhukov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An easier summary document for some people to read: http://www.geek.com/images/geeknews/2006Jan/core_duo_errata__2006_01_2 1__full.gif http://tinyurl.com/3xnw88

Re: Identifying Bandwidth Hogs

2008-07-17 Thread Henning Brauer
* Diana Eichert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-17 14:11]: i have a very large nfdump running at work and after meeting the author at a conference some time ago, watching his presentation and talking to him at length, i totally recommend that. and one day I will write better netflow export for

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:21:28 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 16, 2008, Morton Harrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blah, blah, blah... 8 snip loads of irrelevant shit. Can all you bastards take this discussion to somewhere where it is relevant instead of blindly CCing to all the addresses

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:54:15AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote: Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It should be used responsibly, as semantically as possible, and degrade nicely for those who

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 03:38:35PM -0600, Mark Pecaut wrote: On 7/16/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one am glad there is no plugin for that infectious disease called flash. But then how will I watch Ow! My balls! videos online? What will I do? There's plenty of

Re: tcpdump -X

2008-07-17 Thread Josh Grosse
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:04:17AM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: ...but it's also long time users like Paul and Josh forgetting the end result of being overly helpful. Hey, JC, I pointed the OP to acronymfinder.com; one of the more useful sites I know of.

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Paul de Weerd escreveu: I'd suggest you rethink your reasons for changing OS. If you want to switch from Linux to OpenBSD (or vice versa, for all I care), please make sure there's sound technical reasons for it. The main guy said something stupid does not a bad product make. Cheers, Paul

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Sevan / Venture37
looks like the theme for the 4.4 release is sorted then. _ Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Sevan / Venture37 escreveu: looks like the theme for the 4.4 release is sorted then. _ Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/ agreed. I barely can wait to see Ty

[ landisk ] - install w/o the serial console

2008-07-17 Thread Joel CARNAT
Hello, I have a serial console on my Plextor PX-EH40L which seems to be broken now (no RX available). After quite a few testings of various OSes, the disk is now blanked. Until I get a new serial console, I'd like to try OpenBSD 4.4 on that disk. I couldn't find the procedure to manually install

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Daniel Barowy
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: Somehow the word Java comes to mind... Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again. Are you saying that Java is not being used widely? All of the fundamental courses in my CS department are taught using Java, and I don't think my

Re: OT: BSDanywhere mailing lists online

2008-07-17 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Stephan A. Rickauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The BSDanywhere project has now its own bug tracker as well as two mailing lists. No excuses for spamming the OpenBSD lists any longer ;) See http://bsdanywhere.org for details. woohoo!!! this is cool. A few faq

Re: ipmi not working on poweredge 2850

2008-07-17 Thread Jörg Streckfuß
Am Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:03:59 +0200 schrieb Ariane van der Steldt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 05:09:10PM +0200, J??rg Streckfu?? wrote: today i tried to read the esm log on a poweredge 2850 running OpenBSD 4.3 stable. In the past i could see much more output from the

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Alphons Fonz van Werven
Marco Peereboom wrote: For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: [snip] 2. I will not purchase anything from you In my opinion it's not always that simple. Take skydiving equipment for example. This is a small and highly specialized market in which often few alternatives

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Jason Dixon
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:36:11PM +0200, Hannah Schroeter wrote: Hi! On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:54:15AM -0400, Jason Dixon wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:59:44PM -0700, Jason LaRiviere wrote: Flash has a place on the web, just like any other rich media format. It should be used

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 02:16:15PM +, Alphons Fonz van Werven wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: [snip] 2. I will not purchase anything from you In my opinion it's not always that simple. Take skydiving equipment for example.

confirmed working wireless minipci cards at 54Mbps under OpenBSD 4.3

2008-07-17 Thread Dave
Hi all, I'm looking to compile a list (of at least one :-) working minipci wireless card(s) which reliably run at the fastest supported speed under 802.11a or 802.11g on OpenBSD 4.3. The minipci card would be intended to run in a Soekris 5501 box. I've read the OpenBSD docs and searched and

Re: tcpdump -X

2008-07-17 Thread GVG GVG
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU, which can be found my

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
You are the one jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane... Lame example but don't worry most people who give these types of examples think that the recipient is an idiot and could not have come up with it themselves. I appreciate you treating me like a 3 year old. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008

Re: OT: BSDanywhere mailing lists online

2008-07-17 Thread Josh Grosse
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:08:51PM +0800, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: - how is this different from the jggimi discs? I can't speak to Stephan's recent changes; he and I spoke via e-mail just before his Beta 1 was packaged. I did look at Beta 1, but not newer ISOs, I'll talk only to known

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:47:31AM -0400, Daniel Barowy wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: Somehow the word Java comes to mind... Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again. Are you saying that Java is not being used widely? All of the fundamental

Re: tcpdump -X

2008-07-17 Thread Tony Abernethy
GVG GVG wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:04 AM, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 July 2008, GVG GVG wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, David Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 03:42:58PM +0200, GVG GVG wrote: Use the size of your MTU,

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Alphons Fonz van Werven
Gilles Chehade wrote: I know that if I had to buy something which had a direct impact on me being dead or alive, I'd probably move my ass to the store, and probably a few stores even, rather than just buying it on internet Very true of course. However, not every store sells every make. In

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Dave Anderson
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:47:31AM -0400, Daniel Barowy wrote: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Marco Peereboom wrote: Somehow the word Java comes to mind... Tell me again how that one runtime meme worked for them again. Are you saying that Java is not being

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Alphons Fonz van Werven
Marco Peereboom wrote: You are the one jumping out of a perfectly good working airplane... You obviously haven't seen the airplane... most people who give these types of examples think that the recipient is an idiot [snip] I appreciate you treating me like a 3 year old. Last time I

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread ttw+bsd
On 17.07-10:26, Jason Dixon wrote: [ ... ] I don't have any customers that use Java for client-side image rendering, so I can't speak as to how it would compare. I suspect that Java wouldn't be as efficient as flash for passing instructions to the client, but that's just a hunch. performance

Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

2008-07-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:58 AM, my mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Thu, 7/17/08, viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3? Try having a look at qemu. -- viq ok, will try it if i use qemu i still use bridged

Re: cross-compiling for NetBSD?

2008-07-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:16 AM, Jason Beaudoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya! maybe I'll get flames for inquiring, but I'll try anyway: has anyone attempted (maybe with success) building a NetBSD toolchain on OpenBSD? I understand that this might seem senseless to some folks, but it's a

Re: cross-compiling for NetBSD?

2008-07-17 Thread Ted Unangst
On 7/17/08, Jason Beaudoin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has anyone attempted (maybe with success) building a NetBSD toolchain on OpenBSD? This would fall more into the NetBSD camp. After all, it's their toolchain. NetBSD has a build script that facilitates building the system, including

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote: [ ... ] I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here. this is wrong. java versions are largely compatible and most requirements are library problems, not runtime

Re: [ landisk ] - install w/o the serial console

2008-07-17 Thread Diana Eichert
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Joel CARNAT wrote: Hello, I have a serial console on my Plextor PX-EH40L which seems to be broken now (no RX available). After quite a few testings of various OSes, the disk is now blanked. Until I get a new serial console, I'd like to try OpenBSD 4.4 on that disk. I

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-12:13, Jason Dixon wrote: You don't have to be a dick. [ ... ] eh ... ok. i wasn't trying to be; i was trying to be funny but apparently my linguistic skills are on a par with your own. apologies. [ ... ] I don't know anything about Java client-side rendering

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Jason Dixon
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 07:09:19AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have done just fine without flash for years. For me it is very simple; if your site has flash it means: 1. I suddenly don't care 2. I will not

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Edd Barrett
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 7:07 PM, n0g0013 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote: [ ... ] I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here. this is wrong. java versions are largely

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
I love your optimism. Integration efforts I worked on for a large company always required to drop 1 run time environment per app. I promise we tried really really hard to make that one. This meant that when a loaded box went out the door there were as many as 8 java runtimes installed on your

CARP not leaving backup state

2008-07-17 Thread William Stuart
(Sorry if this is a dupe, not sure if you had to be a subscriber to send to the list) Hello all, I am a new to OpenBSD but not *nix in general... I have two systems running OpenBSD 4.2. It has 9 carp interfaces, and has been running fine for months. All of a sudden, both systems are in

CARP not leaving backup state

2008-07-17 Thread William Stuart
Hello all, I am a new to OpenBSD but not *nix in general... I have two systems running OpenBSD 4.2. It has 9 carp interfaces, and has been running fine for months. All of a sudden, both systems are in BACKUP state. I have rebooted, shut down and restarted, run ifconfig carp1 state

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Shizzle Cash
On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: agreed. I barely can wait to see Ty Semaka artwork for 4.4. Definitively it should include monkeys. And amoebas too. I agree, monkeys should definitely be somehow incorporated into the artwork for the next release.

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Marcus Andree
Don't forget some amoebas wearing suits and t-shirts with a penguin stamp. agreed. I barely can wait to see Ty Semaka artwork for 4.4. Definitively it should include monkeys. And amoebas too. I agree, monkeys should definitely be somehow incorporated into the artwork for the next release.

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the official flash plugin, I would be suprised! Actually, http://solarcollector.ca/create.php doesn't look too bad. It still feels crufty to me though, on Windows

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Nick Guenther
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kyle Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I don't think of OpenBSD as a 'secure' system, I think of it as a 'correct' system, and security is a side effect of that that's good for

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Maxim Belooussov
looks like the theme for the 4.4 release is sorted then. _ Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/ Can we get a sticker, too?

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Marc Balmer
* Shizzle Cash wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: agreed. I barely can wait to see Ty Semaka artwork for 4.4. Definitively it should include monkeys. And amoebas too. I agree, monkeys should definitely be somehow incorporated into the artwork for the next

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Jim Willis
I agree entirely! The OpenBSD developers should surely be raised upon shoulders for all of there work... However a mocking sticker would be rather awesome! -Jim

Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

2008-07-17 Thread Dale Rahn
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:56:07AM -0400, Bill Traynor wrote: Is there a SuperH platform specific mailing list? I don't see it listed here: http://openbsd.org/mail.html in the Platform Specific Lists section. If not, should there be? I understand OpenBSD was ported to the LanDisk:

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-14:16, Jason Dixon wrote: [ ... ] ... but i was also making the point that if you don't know anything about Java client-side rendering and are not a flash or java developer perhaps you should refrain from spouting technical jargonese on the subject. i know what you're getting but

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-13:21, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:07:05PM +, n0g0013 wrote: On 17.07-10:13, Marco Peereboom wrote: [ ... ] I am saying that each java app requires its own java runtime because the previous/next version is incompatible. Nothing new here. this is

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-19:33, Edd Barrett wrote: [ ... ] If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the official flash plugin, I would be suprised! i apologise if i'm becoming overly terse but it's becoming clear that any attempt at discourse here deteriorates, at best, to pissing contest

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread n0g0013
On 17.07-15:35, Nick Guenther wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you get java awt rendering animations half as decently as the official flash plugin, I would be suprised! [ ... ] Flash is definitely faster. [ ... ] i agree with the faster point

Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

2008-07-17 Thread Diana Eichert
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Dale Rahn wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:56:07AM -0400, Bill Traynor wrote: Is there a SuperH platform specific mailing list? I don't see it listed here: http://openbsd.org/mail.html in the Platform Specific Lists section. If not, should there be? I understand

Tomcat?

2008-07-17 Thread L. V. Lammert
We may be looking at a project using Servlets, .. I see tomcat in packages, but are there any 'gotchas' running on a normal production system? There doesn't seem to be anything current in the archives (since 3.4). Thanks! Lee

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread lists
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:05:49AM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote: just cannot imagine how could an amoeba jerk off you will certainly get a prize... :-) :-))) : :D I try to imagine, but the amoeba splits. Sort of like linux. Paul.

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Deanna Phillips
n0g0013 writes: any attempt at discourse here deteriorates, at best, to pissing contest This is what should go on the t-shirt.

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread linux-os (Dick Johnson)
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, David Collier-Brown wrote: Morton Harrow wrote: Shouldn't GPL versions follow the bright example of TeX, and thus the next version be 3.1? To quote Fred Weigel, they should be 3 3.1 3.14 3.141 3.1415 3.14159 --dave -- David

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Sevan / Venture37
ty draws openbsd developers as fish. and I think that we, the openbsd developers, did enough to warrant a nice topic for the next release. no need to resort to that strange monkey business. or do you want to honour a stupid remark made by l. by making him the main theme of our next release?

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread scar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 dermiste @ 2008/07/17 07:47: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:01 AM, scar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco Peereboom @ 2008/07/16 23:00: Flash is only good for a few things such as naked ladies performing anatomic tricks, dude getting punched in the

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Francisco Valladolid Hdez.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 Again a mis representation in pulic? I think the software if free ( freedom) each proyect has the freedom to do the best effort posibly. Think only in BSD world (Net,

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Shizzle Cash
On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Marc Balmer wrote: * Shizzle Cash wrote: On Jul 17, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote: agreed. I barely can wait to see Ty Semaka artwork for 4.4. Definitively it should include monkeys. And amoebas too. I agree, monkeys should definitely be

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
So I can't call a spade a spade? Sorry buddy I don't do politics well. If something sucks it is perfectly ok to call that out. I haven't even begun being harsh towards java and/or flash. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 08:42:01PM +, n0g0013 wrote: On 17.07-13:21, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu,

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Stephen Takacs
Jason LaRiviere wrote: The current breed of standards-based web developers - which in my estimation form the bulk of all web developers currently doing anything anyone is seeing, and of which I am fairly representative, would think nothing of the sort. Truly well-versed web developers find

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Edd Barrett
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:03 PM, n0g0013 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day that the formats, behaviours and protocols are opened so that we can implement a native, opensource viewer. Like, this month? Google: openscreen. Flash

Re: This is what Linus Torvalds calls openBSD crowd

2008-07-17 Thread Andrew Klaus
Umm.. Well if the OS is properly documented, why would you need to ask the question in the first place? It's one thing to read things for yourself throroughly, and another to just take some answer given to you. I'm sure the people saying RTFM would tell you to do that unless it wasn't actuall in

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:03:14PM +, n0g0013 wrote: --- remove drivel --- in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day that the formats, behaviours and protocols are opened so that we can implement a native, opensource viewer. No it is not. I sucks and is

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
And I type like a retard too... On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 06:49:28PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:03:14PM +, n0g0013 wrote: --- remove drivel --- in short, flash is a good tool. we'll all look forward to the day that the formats, behaviours and protocols

Re: Install VMware 5.5 or 6.0 at OpenBSD 4.3?

2008-07-17 Thread Fabio Almeida
Hi, I`m running XP on qemu, using nat, but I`ve used bridge too. The command is: sudo /usr/local/bin/qemu -m 756 -net nic -net tap,ifname=tun0,script=/etc/qemu-XP_ifup /home/eu/virtuals/windowsXP.img /etc/qemu-XP_ifup: - #! /bin/sh _ETHER=tun0 _BRIDGE=bridge0 # Let the

Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

2008-07-17 Thread Pedro la Peu
I have about 6 of them running an older version of OpenBSD, probably the first or second release. Landisk -current as a .5TB Topfield PVR - TCP/IP bridge / cache here. I only wish I could get more of 'em.

Re: tcpdump -X

2008-07-17 Thread Theo de Raadt
this kind of replies do have a long tradition in this list - probably most of the times for a good reason! On the other hand, calling people idiots, isn't really polite, to put it mildly, neither serves any good cause! I fully agree with your definition of the correct order of operation and it

Re: UPDATE: mozilla-firefox-3.0

2008-07-17 Thread Brian
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't even begun being harsh towards java and/or flash. The problem with flash is that you just cannot get away from it on the web these days. A lot of sites use it. gnash is an okay solution, but I still cannot view a lot

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Re: CARP not leaving backup state

2008-07-17 Thread Vinicius Vianna
Hi William, I don't know for sure, but I remember dealing with this kind of problem and setting preempt did work, maybe worth a try: /etc/sysctl.conf: net.inet.carp.preempt=1 Anyone else? HTH, Vinicius William Stuart escreveu: (Sorry if this is a dupe, not sure if you had to be a

Re: Mailing List for SH Platform

2008-07-17 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Pedro la Peu wrote: I have about 6 of them running an older version of OpenBSD, probably the first or second release. Landisk -current as a .5TB Topfield PVR - TCP/IP bridge / cache here. I only wish I could get more of 'em. that's cool, I wanted to use them with my