mforwarding is for multicast forwarding and multipath is to enable
multiple paths for the same destination network segment.
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Doug Milam doug_mi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello,
I want to be sure that the following two sysctl variables are not needed for
a basic
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:15:27AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:23:58PM +0200, Claudio Jeker said that
like to prove. In the end many of fefe's test programs did not actually
measure what he assumed they would.
and he was open to get patches to remedy those
Hi,
SSL VPN is a bit hyped but OpenVPN is a working solution if you need
it (Why did I say? Well, SSH VPN is a nice alternative that misses a
Windows client and GUI) - But I don't see a reason that SSL VPN is any
better than modern IPsec:
- IPsec is probably more secure than SSL VPN (at least
So since benchmarking is out, how do we then find out where
potential problems are.
What does OpenBSD developers do, since surely they don't benchmark :)
Maybe we should profile instead ?
I'm not very experienced with webservers, but here
how i would approach it.
1. i have a problem, i think
On 14.09-20:43, Nick Holland wrote:
[ ... ]
Speed matters. Almost as much as some things, and nowhere near as
much as others.
beautifully specific and vague, i'd challenge anyone to sum up
benchmarking better. if that's not a quote, it is now; i'm writing
it down and sticking it to my wall.
On Aug 15 21:35:32, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
4.6-current on a HP EliteBook 8530w. I cannot get xterm
to let me type some iso8859-2 (Czech) characters.
xterm will only accept characters valid for the encoding it uses.
By default, that encoding is
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:09:58PM -0400, Brynet wrote:
Hi stan,
Are you talking about a PPTP client?
http://openports.se/net/pptp
-Brynet
btw., Microsoft recently introduced a new VPN protocol SSTP as a
successor for PPTP and to swim in the SSL VPN market.
ttw+...@cobbled.net wrote:
On 14.09-20:43, Nick Holland wrote:
[ ... ]
Speed matters. Almost as much as some things, and nowhere near as
much as others.
beautifully specific and vague, i'd challenge anyone to sum up
benchmarking better. if that's not a quote, it is now; i'm writing
it
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Bolgheroni
m...@dbolgheroni.eng.brwrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Nick Holland wrote:
Thanks to those that contribute money and buy CDs.
I would like to buy CDs, but in Brazil these kind of products have a
high tax fee applied
2009/9/15 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net:
Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Daniel Bolgheroni
m...@dbolgheroni.eng.brwrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Nick Holland wrote:
Thanks to those that contribute money and buy CDs.
I would like to buy CDs, but in Brazil
Practically speaking, the people who need the performance at the
edge of what OpenBSD can deliver usually are too busy to argue
benchmarks.
Precisely.
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15 13:52]:
Yep. Most performance-oriented thing I've done with OpenBSD was
firewalling a 45Mbps T3 line. It did tax the machine a little bit,
but the primary firewall was a Celeron 600, about five years old at
the time it was put into service
* Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net [090915 07:57]:
Don't get me wrong, pure cash donations work nicely to keep the lights on.
Well...briefly. Based on some numbers Theo showed me after my earlier note,
cash donations from the US and Europe are..uhmm... how do I put
this...PATHETIC!
* n...@holland-consulting.net n...@holland-consulting.net [090915 08:51]:
* Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net [090915 07:57]:
Don't get me wrong, pure cash donations work nicely to keep the lights on.
Well...briefly. Based on some numbers Theo showed me after my earlier note,
cash
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:43:26AM +0200, Mic J wrote:
So since benchmarking is out, how do we then find out where
potential problems are.
What does OpenBSD developers do, since surely they don't benchmark :)
Maybe we should profile instead ?
I'm not very experienced with webservers, but
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com
wrote:
I didn't want to hijack the other VPN thread for this purpose,
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Henning Brauer wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15 13:52]:
Yep. Most performance-oriented thing I've done with OpenBSD was
firewalling a 45Mbps T3 line. It did tax the machine a little bit,
but the primary firewall was a Celeron 600, about five years old at
the time it was
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, Aaron Mason wrote:
Perhaps you could make a donation and download the files? You get
what you desire and you support the project. It wouldn't be as
complete as the CDs, but you still get to contribute without paying
huge taxes.
Yes, that's the point.
Teers,
--
Daniel
* Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net [2009-09-15 16:21]:
Henning Brauer wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15 13:52]:
Yep. Most performance-oriented thing I've done with OpenBSD was
firewalling a 45Mbps T3 line. It did tax the machine a little bit,
but the primary firewall
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, patrick keshishian wrote:
I didn't want to hijack the other VPN thread for this purpose, so here
is a new thread. Anyone know much about how Juniper SSL-VPN networks
work?
Curious,
--patrick
What do you want to know, besides their WebUI sucks?
diana
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009, patrick keshishian wrote:
ahhh... Do you know if there are any open-source clients that are able
to connect through their service? I'm unable to google any specifics
on what protocol they use, or rather what their java app does after
it is launched. Is it safe to assume it
Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote:
Indeed, specyfying -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-2
confuses xterm - the checked characters don't appear at all.
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1
--
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-Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-
Von: Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net
Gesendet: 15.09.09 16:20:09
An: misc misc@openbsd.org
Betreff: Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance
Henning Brauer wrote:
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15 13:52]:
Yep. Most performance-oriented thing
performance issue. How do others defend OpenBSD in these conversations? I
I don't defend. Just let everyone use what they want.
If I may ask here. One thing that would be nice for the records is to
get a little bit more details on your setup doing that if you have no
problem providing it obviously. Specially the PF configuration tie to
this bgp router as well may well be very educating to many.
I don't know how
Hi Henning,
-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@[...] on Behalf
Of Henning Brauer
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15 13:52]:
[...]
i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of
* Jordi Espasa Clofent jordi.esp...@opengea.org [2009-09-15 17:12]:
If I may ask here. One thing that would be nice for the records is to
get a little bit more details on your setup doing that if you have no
problem providing it obviously. Specially the PF configuration tie to
this bgp
* Florian Fuessl f...@degnet.de [2009-09-15 17:31]:
Hi Henning,
-Original Message-
From: owner-m...@[...] on Behalf
Of Henning Brauer
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2009-09-15
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:41:22AM +0200, Claudio Jeker said that
Hah. That's why he did not update his site since 2003. Do you realy think
that OpenBSD 3.4 and 4.6 are the same?
nobody is arguing 3.4 and 4.6 is the same.
or that that particular benchmark has any more than historic value..
If I may ask here. One thing that would be nice for the records is to
get a little bit more details on your setup doing that if you have no
problem providing it obviously. Specially the PF configuration tie to
this bgp router as well may well be very educating to many.
it doesn't run pf.
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* Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net [2009-09-15 19:14]:
If I may ask here. One thing that would be nice for the records is to
get a little bit more details on your setup doing that if you have
no problem providing it obviously. Specially the PF configuration
tie to this bgp router as
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Henry Sieff henry.si...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:39 PM, patrick keshishian
so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
instability? lost time due to gratuitous API changes? lost time
tuning setups? lost time searching on google instead of reading
manuals?
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:28:33PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:41:22AM +0200, Claudio Jeker said that
Hah. That's why he did not update his site since 2003. Do you realy think
that OpenBSD 3.4 and 4.6 are the same?
nobody is arguing 3.4 and 4.6 is the
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
instability? lost time due to gratuitous API changes? lost time
tuning setups? lost time searching on google instead of reading
manuals?
Lost time drinking yourself
Dear gentleman,
I was charge for OpenBSD 4.6 and i have not received any message, as
usual, informing the package was sent to me.
Is anyone else facing the same scenario ??
Thanks in advance.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Friedrich Locke
friedrich.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear gentleman,
I was charge for OpenBSD 4.6 and i have not received any message, as
usual, informing the package was sent to me.
Is anyone else facing the same scenario ??
You have pre-ordered OpenBSD 4.6 (I
Today I faced a issue which blowed my mind because if left no traces at
the affected system.
The OS: OpenBSD 4.5-STABLE, SMP
A process died and became a zombie process in a screen-session.
The process was irssi and thus not critical.
I tried to kill the zmbie-process without luck.
Thus I
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:41:01PM -0500, Marco Peereboom said that
the devs are sitting around smug saying nothing until someone comes
up with this theme again and then they send something like:
i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of real world generic
internet
patrick keshishian wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Friedrich Locke wrote:
I was charge for OpenBSD 4.6 and i have not received any message, as
usual, informing the package was sent to me.
Is anyone else facing the same scenario ??
You have pre-ordered OpenBSD 4.6 (I assume).
this thread is fucking stupid.
consider that the majority of machines are horribly underutilized, even
in large organizations where some of the machines are under heavy load.
the reason that everyone here is so dismissive of benchmarks is that
they do not translate to real world results.
From: OpenBSD general usage list misc@openbsd.org
this thread is fucking stupid.
I didn't need the second part...
How about just saying something when the thread is NOT stupid.
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:39:46 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that while
Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and PetaBytes of
Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop or mail server,
etc and point out that the old article
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:32:26 +0300 4625 wrote:
4625 escribiC3:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 05:44:50 +0200 Jesus Sanchez wrote:
If xterm window currently active in X and I'm switch from console
to X by pressing Alt-F9 key, then xterm will beep and display
0~.
I mean Ctrl-Alt-F9.
on
Got that finger fixed yet?
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:44:40PM +0200, paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com wrote:
Today I faced a issue which blowed my mind because if left no traces at
the affected system.
The OS: OpenBSD 4.5-STABLE, SMP
A process died and became a zombie process in a
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 03:39:23PM -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
this thread is fucking stupid.
consider that the majority of machines are horribly underutilized, even
in large organizations where some of the machines are under heavy load.
the reason that everyone here is so dismissive
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I still hear people (mostly younger people) complain about OpenBSD performance
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism. I preffer to
say OpenBSD is bugfree. Otherwise, it's still the best OS ever.
--
merlyn
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:49:00AM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Henry Sieff henry.si...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM, patrick keshishian pkesh...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Milan BartoE!merlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
I still hear people (mostly younger people) complain about OpenBSD
performance
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism. I preffer to
say
Well, I've heard that it needs to be mauve,because that has more RAM,
otherwise it's a fabulous OS.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Milan BartoE! merlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
I still hear people (mostly younger people) complain about OpenBSD
performance
I still hear people telling that
old 64-bit blowfish?
2009/9/16 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Milan BartoE!merlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
I still hear people (mostly younger people) complain about OpenBSD
performance
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true,
Since we are already off topic I'd like to point out something.
You should ask your corporate types if they support you as a user
connecting to the SSL box from your OpenBSD system.
Where I work, we have hardware / software requirements for remote
access. Trying to workaround the system is not
First, it uses 128-bits, and second, the practical attacks against
blowfish are what exactly?
Third, if you care, use softraid.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Milan BartoE!merlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
old 64-bit blowfish?
2009/9/16 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at
First, it uses 128-bits
Thank You for telling, I'm much stiller now.
Third, if you care, use softraid.
Already reading man page, thanks :-)
2009/9/16 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com:
First, it uses 128-bits, and second, the practical attacks against
blowfish are what exactly?
Third, if
- is it easy to upgrade the machines?
Again. OpenBSD really sucks at this one. Building from source is light years
more difficult than 'apt-get update apt-get upgrade, or 'yum upgrade' or
the
like. And you've got to track updates for ports yourself, making those even
more difficult to
I am trying to add a new drive to replace a failed drive on my RAID1
OpenBSD system. I have read the available documentation but can't get
the drive added permanently. Here's what I've done so far-
First, add the drive as a spare:
# raidctl -a /dev/wd1d raid0
Checking the status gives:
#
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:59:43PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:39:46 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that while
Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and PetaBytes of
Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:02:16PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:41:01PM -0500, Marco Peereboom said that
the devs are sitting around smug saying nothing until someone comes
up with this theme again and then they send something like:
i have a bgp
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:28:33PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:41:22AM +0200, Claudio Jeker said that
Hah. That's why he did not update his site since 2003. Do you realy think
that OpenBSD 3.4 and 4.6 are the same?
nobody is arguing 3.4 and 4.6 is the
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:13:01 -0500
Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
Got that finger fixed yet?
Got all IPs of the OpenBSD devs mostly... if that aint something. ;-)
Btw: Your FS layer and network-stuff simply sucks.
I can't pay enought vodka to get through it
I wonder how you can
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:06:46 +0100 Owain Ainsworth wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
or mail server, etc and point out that
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
instability? lost time due to gratuitous API changes? lost time
tuning setups? lost time searching on google instead of reading
manuals?
i am afraid my world
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* Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com [2009-09-15 18:16:47]:
First, it uses 128-bits, and second, the practical attacks against
blowfish are what exactly?
_Only_ 128 bits? It clearly needs more. More bits man, more bits!
It's not about the number of bits.
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Third, if you
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:04:18PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Milan BartoE!merlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
I still hear people (mostly younger people) complain about OpenBSD
performance
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true,
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Joachim Schipper
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:49:00AM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Henry Sieff henry.si...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:53 PM, patrick keshishian
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:09:32AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
instability? lost time due to gratuitous API changes? lost time
tuning setups? lost time
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote:
Since we are already off topic I'd like to point out something.
You should ask your corporate types if they support you as a user
connecting to the SSL box from your OpenBSD system.
Definition of support used in above
I've been a *nix user for a little over a year (oBSD mainly). oBSD is the
OS I most appreciate (none of your business why).
What I wanna say concerns something that took me longer than it should
to realize. I was in the customer/client mode and treated oBSD that way
. . . Hey, why don't you fix
I don't think anyone understands.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
Got that finger fixed yet?
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:44:40PM +0200, paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Today I faced a issue which blowed my mind because if left no traces at
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 01:59:43PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:39:46 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that while
Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and PetaBytes of
Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or
Thanks very much. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible, and yet I'm
wondering too about multiple NICs... another post.
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, Josh Hoppes josh.hop...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Josh Hoppes josh.hop...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: dhcpd and net.inet.ip.mforwarding / multipath
To:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com
wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:28:33PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
the devs are sitting around smug saying nothing until someone comes
up with this theme again and then they send something like:
i have a bgp
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 05:03:06PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:06:46 +0100 Owain Ainsworth wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:43:34 +1000, Aaron Mason wrote:
I'm all for just shelving this argument - nobody's going to agree.
I must disagree with that conclusion... I do agree with the shelving.
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