For everyone's reading pleasure:
WANTED
BY ALL MEANS
real name : Marco Luchs
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nationality : german
suspected home country : germany
place of
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009, patrick keshishian wrote:
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Diana Eichert deich...@wrench.com wrote:
Since we are already off topic I'd like to point out something.
Where I work, we have hardware / software requirements for remote
access. Trying to workaround the system
Oh, these arguments are rich! They never cease to crack me up.
So and so crypto cipher is weak...blah blah blah...
Show me the cluster of supercomputers than can break them in
any kind of meaningful time frame and I *might* start to
worry. Oh wait, I forgot about those super secret NSA ones...
Diana Eichert wrote:
You should ask your corporate types if they support you as a user
Any question starting like that is going to get answered quickly NO!
by PHBs. Ask if they support SSL connections. That will tell you if
they are trying for 'security' but simply unable to, or if they have
On 2009-09-15, paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com
paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com wrote:
A process died and became a zombie process in a screen-session.
The process was irssi and thus not critical.
I tried to kill the zmbie-process without luck.
zombies are undead, you can't just kill them, you
Hi,
smtpd has recently benefited from many changes to the local and remote
delivery code paths. Their aim is to advance smtpd few steps further to
being well suited for production use. I have been working on this for a
number of weeks, and to put it bluntly - the changes are massive.
So,
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism.
Will you break mine?
Sorry, I won't :-)
I just wanted to know what's true on that (read thread some time back
where this is discussed).
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:08:03 -0500
Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
For everyone's reading pleasure:
*cut*
If violence makes you happy you might get statisfied some day.
And you wonder why the Project gets less and less financial support?
People like you make people like me not
More of that string leadership we've been warned about...
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:40 AM, paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:08:03 -0500
Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
For everyone's reading pleasure:
*cut*
If violence makes you happy you might get
I still hear people telling that OpenBSD is secure. It's of course
true, but e.g. vnconfig uses quite weak crypto mechanism.
Will you break mine?
I just wanted to know what's true on that (read thread some time back
where this is discussed).
Claiming its weak seems like a bad way to get
A process died and became a zombie process in a screen-session.
The process was irssi and thus not critical.
I tried to kill the zmbie-process without luck.
zombies are undead, you can't just kill them, you need to find the
process which created them and attack that instead.
Realized it!
paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com wrote:
The OS got totaly corrupted.
gdb, su, sudo do segfault for example.
8
But later my ssh died again and after that the server finaly
broke down. Beyond the point of what fsck can handle.
During auto-fsck the box reboots.
A good bug I'd say... ran
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:01:45 +0200
Janne Johansson j...@it.su.se wrote:
paranoid.gand...@googlemail.com wrote:
The OS got totaly corrupted.
gdb, su, sudo do segfault for example.
8
But later my ssh died again and after that the server finaly
broke down. Beyond the point of what
I have a long running script running out of cron.
Most of the time is spent sleeping, but takes a few hours overall.
userx 31929 0.0 2.4 9116 12156 ?? S 5:39AM0:09.27
/usr/bin/perl /home/userx/LWP/LWP_ref.pl
_postgresql 29990 0.0 1.4 3892 7328 ?? Ss 5:39AM0:00.33
Please, do not wait for others to try it, I just can't hear another I
will try it
soon, I was just waiting for other people's feedbacks ...
Gilles
Jacek Masiulaniec a icrit :
Hi,
smtpd has recently benefited from many changes to the local and remote
delivery code paths. Their aim is to
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Gilles,
I've already started using it in production (yes, with my own
non_accepted_aliases_patch ;-). So far - all good, seems to be
very robust and pretty stable.
I will of course send you a note if I will notice some troubles.
And for the others to record I have to notice the very clean code
Since I contributed to an Off Topic thread to become even more off topic
I'll continue.
I don't know about you but I work for my employer, they don't work for
me. If senior management gets marketed to by a vendor that could care
less about standards, let's see, Microsoft, Cisco, Juniper, IBM
Remember Optimization is the root of all evil from Knuth ?
Why optimize something if it isn't needed ? if you show me something
that clearly won't solve a problem due to it's performance, it's time to
optimize otherwise it's just wasting time. Uhh but this could be faster
yeah, and gnu ls could
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:36:49AM -0300, Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote:
| Remember Optimization is the root of all evil from Knuth ?
Misquoting does not help your case.
*PREMATURE* optimization is the root of all evil.
Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd
--
hmm, on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:14:27AM +, Jacob Meuser said that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:09:32AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
so who's benchmarking install/upgrade time? lost time due to
instability? lost
2009/9/16 Paul de Weerd we...@weirdnet.nl:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:36:49AM -0300, Christiano Farina Haesbaert
wrote:
| Remember Optimization is the root of all evil from Knuth ?
Misquoting does not help your case.
*PREMATURE* optimization is the root of all evil.
Ooops my mistake,
Diana Eichert wrote:
Since I contributed to an Off Topic thread to become even more off topic
I'll continue.
I don't know about you but I work for my employer, they don't work for
me.
They have an obligation to see that you have the tools to get your job
done in the best way possible.
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jacek Masiulaniec
jac...@dobremiasto.net wrote:
Hi,
smtpd has recently benefited from many changes to the local and remote
delivery code paths. Their aim is to advance smtpd few steps further to
being well suited for production use. I have been working on
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:54:36 +0200, Landry Breuil landry.bre...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Jacek Masiulaniec
jac...@dobremiasto.net wrote:
Hi,
smtpd has recently benefited from many changes to the local and remote
delivery code paths. Their aim is to advance smtpd
* Cian Brennan cian.bren...@redbrick.dcu.ie [2009-09-15 23:32]:
OpenBSD sucks at this one. The fact that base isn't packaged is a *huge* pain
if you run lots of it. As is the short support timeline.
bullshit. i run way over a hundred openbsd machines. upgrades take me
less than 5 minutes.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Building from source is light years more difficult than
'apt-get update apt-get upgrade, or 'yum upgrade' or
the like.
so don't fucking do it, use releases and packages.
So how does one remedy CVE-2009-0696 like
From: L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Henning Brauer wrote:
Building from source is light years
more difficult than 'apt-get update apt-get upgrade, or 'yum
upgrade' or the
like.
so don't fucking do it, use releases and packages.
*OR* learn how to use environment
On 15/09/2009, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of real world generic
internet traffic. can handle at least twice that. enough of a
benchmark?
Any chance you could post the spec. of said machine?
I'd especially be interested in
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* - Tethys tet...@gmail.com [2009-09-16 17:37]:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Building from source is light years more difficult than
'apt-get update apt-get upgrade, or 'yum upgrade' or
the like.
so don't fucking do it, use releases
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS. Sigh.
Tet
--
b It seems
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
resources and time to
devote racks of
If there genuinely is something as easy as yum update bind, then
great. But if so, it doesn't seem to be documented, and this is the
reason I haven't rolled out more OpenBSD boxen in the real world. I
run OpenBSD on my own machines. But I'm with Cian here. Keeping up
to date really is its
Ross Cameron wrote:
On 15/09/2009, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
i have a bgp machine forwarding 800MBit/s of real world generic
internet traffic. can handle at least twice that. enough of a
benchmark?
Any chance you could post the spec. of said machine?
I'd especially be
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude is why OpenBSD will
Hi,
I have been playing with this for hours now, and I'm getting really
frustrated.
I'm building an email server, and I want to use smtp-vilter to send my
emails through spamassassin and clamav. I'm using obsd 4.5 and
sendmail.
I keep getting this in my logs:
Milter (smtp-vilter):
Chris wrote:
Hi,
I have been playing with this for hours now, and I'm getting really
frustrated.
I'm building an email server, and I want to use smtp-vilter to send my
emails through spamassassin and clamav. I'm using obsd 4.5 and sendmail.
I keep getting this in my logs:
Milter
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude is why OpenBSD will
--- Chris [Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:44:51PM -0400]: ---
Hi,
I have been playing with this for hours now, and I'm getting really
frustrated.
I'm building an email server, and I want to use smtp-vilter to send my
emails through spamassassin and clamav. I'm using obsd 4.5 and
sendmail.
Marco Peereboom escribis:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude
OP Here. Wow. Did not mean to start this sort of discussion. I only wanted
some suggestions on how to deal with critics of OpenBSD's performance that I
run into on occasion who cite that old, outdated, silly article.
Anyway, thanks for all the performance feedback. As to the others, in this
Hello,
What is the best practice when building a new machine, or why would
one prefer one aside from the other:
a.) Compile kernel and userland from a recent -stable src checkout
or b.) Apply all the errata from http://www.openbsd.org/errata45.html ?
Both are equivalent is this correct?
Thank
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Andres Salazar ndrsslz...@gmail.com wrote:
What is the best practice when building a new machine, or why would
one prefer one aside from the other:
a.) Compile kernel and userland from a recent -stable src checkout
or b.) Apply all the errata from
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
4625 4625...@gmail.com wrote:
From: 4625 4625...@gmail.com
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: Defending OpenBSD Performance
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:59:43 -0700 (PDT)
Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org
Organization: Buzzer
X-Mailer: 4158xHC1dZubQ
On
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine
On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium syllops...@syllopsium.com wrote:
At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
know how to use patch files and diff properly I'm sure it is absolutely
wonderful, but it also copes badly with files that have not changed
in any
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:22:19PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium syllops...@syllopsium.com wrote:
At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
know how to use patch files and diff properly I'm sure it is absolutely
Quoting John Cosimano j...@cosmicnetworks.net:
--- Chris [Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:44:51PM -0400]: ---
Hi,
I have been playing with this for hours now, and I'm getting really
frustrated.
I'm building an email server, and I want to use smtp-vilter to send my
emails through spamassassin and
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
[snipzorz]
It is exactly your attitude that has ruined the computer industry.
You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:30:47PM +0300, Jussi Peltola wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:22:19PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2009-09-16, Peter Kay - Syllopsium syllops...@syllopsium.com wrote:
At the risk of a flaming, sysmerge is also a pain in the arse. Once you
know how to
I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down of
what's considered acceptible for being called a professional; in this case,
mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as a
series of buttons to push, you get button-pushing monkeys, not
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:55:44PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down
of
what's considered acceptible for being called a professional; in this
case,
mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:01:49 + Jacob Meuser wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
or mail server, etc and point out that the
Marco Peereboom escribis:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:24:44PM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 08:59:35PM +0100, Cian Brennan wrote:
You have an odd definition of professional, and the kind of attitude that
sounds like you haven't actually worked in the computer industry in a while.
Generally, the computer industry is about providing services to end users. And
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:54:06PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:14:27AM +, Jacob Meuser said that
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:09:32AM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
hmm, on Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 06:46:27PM +, Jacob Meuser said that
so who's
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:47:08 +0100 - Tethys wrote:
And that attitude is why OpenBSD will never be more than a hobby OS.
The same words I can say about Linux.
--
/4625
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:20:05 -0400 Tom Smith wrote:
Anyway, thanks for all the performance feedback. As to the others, in
this thread, who find using or managing OpenBSD difficult, I'd say
...make OS for newbies, and only newbies will want to use this OS.
--
/4625
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:36:49 -0300 Christiano Farina Haesbaert wrote:
Remember Optimization is the root of all evil from Knuth ?
To act contrary to common sense would be ignore optimization. Look on
MS Windows - each new version require more resources and constrain to
buy new hardware every 2-3
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:39:31 +0200 Bret S. Lambert wrote:
1) In X on OpenBSD 4.5 mouse cursor may freeze sometimes. On
FreeBSD 4.11 (on the same PC) - never.
Doesn't happen for me... Did you ever report this? with
information to reproduce it? I do not think so.
It is not a bug,
Bob Beck wrote:
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
resources
Hey Jason, been trying to get a hold of you.
Are we still doing business?
On 2009-09-16, Jacek Masiulaniec jac...@dobremiasto.net wrote:
Hi,
smtpd has recently benefited from many changes to the local and remote
delivery code paths. Their aim is to advance smtpd few steps further to
being well suited for production use. I have been working on this for a
number
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:01:02PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:01:49 + Jacob Meuser wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine
Bob Beck wrote:
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we do that? We simply do not have the
resources and time to
devote racks of machines, developer time, and internet
I have been actively maintaining a firewall cluster and a VPN cluster of
BSD system since 3.5. I have upgraded each system from a factory boot cd
every 6 - 8 months. I have never had any problems due the to upgrade
not once. I run a 4000 PC network in a 24x7 Health Care environment.
There is
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
or mail server, etc and point out that the old article so many
people cite is indeed
ACK
--
Jason Dixon
DixonGroup Consulting
http://www.dixongroup.net/
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 04:14:13PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
But, I'd like to have hard technicaly data to demonstrate that
while Linux and FreeBSD may scale to a gazillion CPUs and
PetaBytes of Memory that OpenBSD makes a fine firewall or desktop
or mail server, etc and point out
Marco Peereboom wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0100, - Tethys wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de
wrote:
Sounds like building from source is necessary to me.
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
And that attitude is
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
I think you're missing the point; marco was talking about the dumbing down of
what's considered acceptible for being called a professional; in this case,
mostly the fact that once you start presenting system administration as a
series of buttons to
But come on Bret, that's what the industry WANTS.. you can PAY monkeys
less!
Push Butan
...receive bacon lube
Keep it Sizzlin!
(you can't hear it but I'm doing the little techno pelvic dance right now..)
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Chris cjd...@brokensolstice.com wrote:
I'm building an email server, and I want to use smtp-vilter to send my
emails through spamassassin and clamav. I'm using obsd 4.5 and sendmail.
I keep getting this in my logs:
Milter (smtp-vilter): local socket name
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
I wonder if FreeBSD's patch-playmidi would make any difference.
It is not port or patch problem, but perfomance (on my opinion).
well, that patch sure looks like it's correcting an inopportune typo.
but I'm not a timidity
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:46 AM, STeve Andre' and...@msu.edu wrote:
On Monday 14 September 2009 14:17:35 you wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:40:36PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote:
Certainly there are SSDs that work just fine, but from the experiences
of
friends, I'd say they're at least 3
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Bob Beck b...@ualberta.ca wrote:
boo hoo. run one machine somewhere and make release. done.
Once you have a built release you can run upgrades everywhere from
that release tarball.
man release
to figure out how to do that.
Now you may ask, why don't we
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Edd Barrett vex...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Dan Harnett dan...@harnett.name wrote:
At least here, one could get a used X60 for the cost of the 128GB drive.
Yes, I think this is my new plan. Would have been nice to have the
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 07:15:36PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote:
But come on Bret, that's what the industry WANTS.. you can PAY monkeys
less!
Push Butan
...receive bacon lube
Keep it Sizzlin!
(you can't hear it but I'm doing the little techno pelvic dance right now..)
And,
Paul M wrote:
On 16/09/2009, at 10:46 AM, Jeffrey C. Smith wrote:
I am trying to add a new drive to replace a failed drive on my RAID1
OpenBSD system. I have read the available documentation but can't get
the drive added permanently. Here's what I've done so far-
...
Any feedback would be
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 02:57:43PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
What if I'm unable make better report?
http://www.openbsd.org/report.html
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 06:39:30PM -0700, 4625 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +, Jacob Meuser wrote:
I wonder if FreeBSD's patch-playmidi would make any difference.
It is not port or patch problem, but perfomance (on my opinion).
well, that patch sure looks like it's
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