Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Philip Guenther
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Woodchuck wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Chris Bennett > wrote: ... >> Did ed come out before or after those clickety-clack paper printing >> terminals? > > All text editors came after teletypes. (Teletypes go back to > the 1920's). Sure, but ed was d

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Pieter Verberne
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:23:56PM -0500, Brad Tilley wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12 -0800, "Randal L. Schwartz" > wrote: > > > "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: > > > > Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot > > more > > Brad> comfortable with vi. Will a stat

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Woodchuck
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Chris Bennett wrote: >>> Is there a common emergency that comes up where /usr is not available? Curdled RAID? etc,,, > Did ed come out before or after those clickety-clack paper printing > terminals? All text editors came after teletypes. (Teletypes go back to

Re: Backup disk over USB good idea??

2009-12-17 Thread Joakim Aronius
* Jon Simola (jsim...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Mauro Rezzonico wrote: > > Mount under /usr/backup, or /var/backup, or /tmp/backup or whatever! > > And/Or wrap the backup script with something that checks for the mount. Thanks, I will do both and throw in a mail notifi

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Chris Bennett
Brad Tilley wrote: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12 -0800, "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot more Brad> comfortable with vi. Will a static vi ever live in /bin? Helping someone Brad> use

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread David Gwynne
On 18/12/2009, at 1:26 PM, Raymond Lillard wrote: > Brad Tilley wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12 -0800, "Randal L. Schwartz" >> wrote: "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: >>> Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot >>> more >>> Brad> comfortable with vi. Will

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Raymond Lillard
Brad Tilley wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12 -0800, "Randal L. Schwartz" > wrote: >>> "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: >> Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot >> more >> Brad> comfortable with vi. Will a static vi ever live in /bin? Helping >> someone >> Brad>

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Brad Tilley
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12 -0800, "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: > > Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot > more > Brad> comfortable with vi. Will a static vi ever live in /bin? Helping > someone > Brad> use ed remotely, who has

Re: vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "Brad" == Brad Tilley writes: Brad> I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot more Brad> comfortable with vi. Will a static vi ever live in /bin? Helping someone Brad> use ed remotely, who has never used ed, when I myself don't use it Brad> regularly is always an adve

vi in /bin

2009-12-17 Thread Brad Tilley
I use ed in emergencies when /usr is inaccessible, but I'm a lot more comfortable with vi. Will a static vi ever live in /bin? Helping someone use ed remotely, who has never used ed, when I myself don't use it regularly is always an adventure. Brad

Re: Scroll with laptop touchpad

2009-12-17 Thread Nick Guenther
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Re: No RTF_UP after route change to an interface that is up

2009-12-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-12-15, Doran Mori wrote: > It looks like the last road block in my router project is going to be > similar to Vladimir Kirillov's problem. In my case I'm having a > downed link layer host route take precedence over an up ospf /32 route So it seems that any host routes, even RTP_DOWN, tak

Re: BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread Steve Shockley
On 12/17/2009 7:48 AM, David Coppa wrote: I think you need Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) installed on your AD server. Server 2003 R2 and above include schema entries for Unix. Unfortunately, they're not quite the same as what SFU used. If you don't have either installed I'd say g

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
Claudio Jeker wrote: Why should we care about the last few percent of performance on a desktop PC. Seriously it will be fast enough even for HD porn. In the end the pathetic seek times of desktop SATA disks will be the most limiting factor when you hit them with nearly random access patterns. B

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Brad Tilley
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:14 +0100, "Robert" wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:31:58 -0600 > Marco Peereboom wrote: > > > Highly specialized applications could benefit but lets count how many > > of those use WDC SATA drives. I can see the BS already coming our > > way, OMG MOAR bytes!!! totally bet

Re: HP IPMI

2009-12-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-12-17, Pete Vickers wrote: > Is the IPMI abstraction (mentioned in ipmi(4)) such that support for > additional devices is little more than adding PCI vendor/product id to > the attach code? or is a proprietary interface ? You probably just have to enable the driver, I imagine it will

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:31:58 -0600 Marco Peereboom wrote: > Highly specialized applications could benefit but lets count how many > of those use WDC SATA drives. I can see the BS already coming our > way, OMG MOAR bytes!!! totally bettar!!! Yay, moar bytes!!111!11! Thing is, every harddisk mak

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:30:46 +0100 Robert wrote: > Hi, > > I just read [1,2] that Western Digital (and probably others) will > start to sell disks with an internal block size of 4KB instead of 512 > byte. > > The article mentions that this might lead to a considerable > performance impact if th

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Ted Unangst
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Claudio Jeker wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:54:54PM +0100, Robert wrote: >> If I understood the original article correct this would mean that >> the writing of 1 sector could in fact be 2 reads + 1 write >> (internally in the disk), which would be a *serious

Re: Inside Out Networks Edgeport USB Serial Adapters

2009-12-17 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 04:58:12PM -0600, Brad DeMorrow wrote: > Hey guys, I need a bit of help if you don't mind. > > I've been trying to hack up a basic driver to communicate with my Edgeport > device.. > It started out decent enough, I got a new driver I named uep(for no > particular reason bes

Re: smtpd(8) local delivery failure - help needed with diagnosis

2009-12-17 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 02:45:25AM -0600, Adam Thompson wrote: > First, some baseline data: > > r...@server:~# cat /etc/mailer.conf | grep -v '^#' > sendmail/usr/sbin/smtpd > send-mail /usr/sbin/smtpctl > mailq /usr/sbin/smtpctl > makemap /usr/libexec/smtp

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Re: Backup disk over USB good idea??

2009-12-17 Thread Jon Simola
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Mauro Rezzonico wrote: > Joakim Aronius wrote: > >> I added a big disk over USB which I use for >> backup (mounted on /backup). > > Well don't do that! > > Mount under /usr/backup, or /var/backup, or /tmp/backup or whatever! And/Or wrap the backup script with some

HP IPMI

2009-12-17 Thread Pete Vickers
Hi, I have a HP (Compaq) ProLiant DL380 G5 which, according to dmesg, incorporates IPMI. # grep IPMI /var/run/dmesg.boot "Hewlett-Packard IPMI" rev 0x00 at pci16 dev 4 function 6 not configured # pcidump -v 1:4:6 Domain /dev/pci: 1:4:6: Hewlett-Packard IPMI 0x: Vendor ID: 103c P

Re: Backup disk over USB good idea??

2009-12-17 Thread Mauro Rezzonico
Joakim Aronius wrote: I have an old home server which ran out of disk space > I added a big disk over USB which I use for > backup (mounted on /backup). Well don't do that! Mount under /usr/backup, or /var/backup, or /tmp/backup or whatever! Is this due to my ancient HW, crappy USB controller

Re: adding a 3rd location to a bridge

2009-12-17 Thread stan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:53:41AM -0500, stan wrote: > I have 2 4.6 machine that bridge an Ethernet network between 2 locations. I > need to add another machine that will bring a 3rd location into this > bridge. > > I seem to be close, but I am missing something here. I seem to have the > flows

tcpdump "kills" terminal by dumping RADIUS traffic

2009-12-17 Thread Denis Doroshenko
Hi! It is happening for quite long time already, as I have to deal with RADIUS traffic, it came to the point where I can't bear it no more. All the traffic I see contains raw binary Class fields. RFC2865 WRT Class field content says the following: The String field is one or more octets. T

Re: OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

2009-12-17 Thread Mauro Rezzonico
Rouslan Iskhakov wrote: Tried both options (with redirection and without). Same behavior with default kernel (without aac driver). I think the problem lies in BOOT/amd64, Have you tried with i386 arch? You don't have to install anything, just try to bootstrap from a i386 Install disk/cdrom...

Re: adding a 3rd location to a bridge

2009-12-17 Thread stan
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:53:41AM -0500, stan wrote: > I have 2 4.6 machine that bridge an Ethernet network between 2 locations. I > need to add another machine that will bring a 3rd location into this > bridge. > > I seem to be close, but I am missing something here. I seem to have the > flows

Re: OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

2009-12-17 Thread Rouslan Iskhakov
Tried both options (with redirection and without). Same behavior with default kernel (without aac driver). Regards, Rouslan - Original Message - From: "Mauro Rezzonico" To: misc@openbsd.org Sent: P'P5QP2P5QP3, 17 PP5P:P0P1QQ 2009 P3 16:51:28 (GMT+0200) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: Open

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
Marco Peereboom wrote: I'll bet money there is no noticeable performance loss in a real world load. Maybe a slight drop in some sort of stupid micro benchmark. I don't unless we decide to go change every piece of code that makes the 512b assumption. Ok, I got the message. Basically that's

adding a 3rd location to a bridge

2009-12-17 Thread stan
I have 2 4.6 machine that bridge an Ethernet network between 2 locations. I need to add another machine that will bring a 3rd location into this bridge. I seem to be close, but I am missing something here. I seem to have the flows and SA's set up on the 3rd machine. here is what the "herad end" :

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:54:54PM +0100, Robert wrote: > David Gwynne wrote: >> let's not wave our hands around in the air for no good reason. surely there >> are more important things to get upset about. > > I have to object here. > > If I understood the original article correct this would mean t

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 03:54:54PM +0100, Robert wrote: > David Gwynne wrote: > >let's not wave our hands around in the air for no good reason. surely there > >are more important things to get upset about. > > I have to object here. > > If I understood the original article correct this would mean

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:54:54 +0100 Robert wrote: > David Gwynne wrote: > > let's not wave our hands around in the air for no good reason. > > surely there are more important things to get upset about. > > I have to object here. > > If I understood the original article correct this would mean th

Re: ATutor

2009-12-17 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Kevin Lo wrote: > On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 16:29 -0500, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > > Fred Crowson wrote: > > > > > On 12/16/09, Fred Crowson wrote: > > > > On 12/16/09, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > > > >> Dear All, > > > >> > > > >> Is anybody using Learning Management System ATutor? The only LMS

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Robert
David Gwynne wrote: let's not wave our hands around in the air for no good reason. surely there are more important things to get upset about. I have to object here. If I understood the original article correct this would mean that the writing of 1 sector could in fact be 2 reads + 1 write (in

Re: OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

2009-12-17 Thread Mauro Rezzonico
Rouslan Iskhakov wrote: OpenBSD 4.6-stable freezes on boot until any key pressed. ... Using drive 0, partition 3. Loading... probing: pc0 com0 mem[619K 2814M 1280M a20=on] disk: hd0+ OpenBSD/amd64 BOOT 3.01 boot> ... Something in the BIOS, perhaps? Like console redirection etc.? -- Mauro Rez

Re: BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread Mauro Rezzonico
Joakim Dellrud wrote: Hello. First of I would like to ask for forgivness if I post this question in the wrong list, I'm new to this... So now to my question: I have a Microsoft 2003 Active Directory server and an already working configuration for a Centos/redhat environment. But my problem has

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread David Gwynne
On 17/12/2009, at 11:02 PM, Henning Brauer wrote: > * Aaron Mason [2009-12-17 03:50]: >> From what I've seen, 4k blocks are supported by most filesystems >> anyway - and besides, provided the partitions are created on 4k block >> boundaries, there's no reason for any concern IMHO. > > you are mis

Re: re1: watchdog timeout

2009-12-17 Thread Stefan Olsson
unfortunately I did a new install with the snapshot a couple of months ago and didn't bother keeping anything from /var/log from previous install (or anything else for that matter). Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2009-12-17, Stefan Olsson wrote: I have an intermittent problem on one of my fir

Re: re1: watchdog timeout

2009-12-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009/12/17 12:57, Stefan Olsson wrote: > unfortunately I did a new install with the snapshot a couple of > months ago and didn't bother keeping anything from /var/log from > previous install (or anything else for that matter). In that case, fetch an old kernel of a version which used to work, b

Re: BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread Joakim Dellrud
> Okay the offending class has been removed and now it is just timing out with this error: "clnttcp_create: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused". Which gets me one step closer thank you! Now it's working a bit more :P Regards Jocke

Re: BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread David Gwynne
On 17/12/2009, at 10:25 PM, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > Hello. > First of I would like to ask for forgivness if I post this question in the > wrong list, I'm new to this... > > So now to my question: I have a Microsoft 2003 Active Directory server and > an already working configuration for a Centos/r

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Henning Brauer
* Aaron Mason [2009-12-17 03:50]: > From what I've seen, 4k blocks are supported by most filesystems > anyway - and besides, provided the partitions are created on 4k block > boundaries, there's no reason for any concern IMHO. you are missing the point. these drives do not expose the fact that th

Re: BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread David Coppa
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Joakim Dellrud wrote: > So now to my question: I have a Microsoft 2003 Active Directory server and > an already working configuration for a Centos/redhat environment. But my > problem has occured when trying to include the BSD (openbsd 4,5 with > login_ldap instal

Re: New Western Digital disks will have 4KB block size - issue?

2009-12-17 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Kenneth Westerback wrote: > 4K sectors themselves should work ok as we already do that for ffs on > CD media. Which works the last I checked. ... and is irrelevant. The drives under discussion use 4 kB sectors internally but present the usual 512-byte blocks to the outside. -- Christian "nadd

BSD and Active Directory?

2009-12-17 Thread Joakim Dellrud
Hello. First of I would like to ask for forgivness if I post this question in the wrong list, I'm new to this... So now to my question: I have a Microsoft 2003 Active Directory server and an already working configuration for a Centos/redhat environment. But my problem has occured when trying to

UTF-8 and locale suppor

2009-12-17 Thread Artur Litwinowicz
Hello, I would like to ask about potential plans regarding UTF-8 in locales support. In details (now on my box runs 4.6 release) I am looking in /usr/share/locale for xx_XX.UTF-8 but all catalogs with UTF-8 are empty - current release is not supporting that encoding ? The problem starts when

Re: re1: watchdog timeout

2009-12-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2009-12-17, Stefan Olsson wrote: > I have an intermittent problem on one of my firewalls. It has worked well for > years with different openbsd-releases but a few days after installing a > snapshot a few months ago it sometimes just stops taking traffic on the > internal nic. And all you get at

Re: OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

2009-12-17 Thread Niklas Fagerström
4.5-release does this too on xSeries 336. -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Rouslan Iskhakov Sent: 17 December 2009 11:08 To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

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re1: watchdog timeout

2009-12-17 Thread Stefan Olsson
Hello, I have an intermittent problem on one of my firewalls. It has worked well for years with different openbsd-releases but a few days after installing a snapshot a few months ago it sometimes just stops taking traffic on the internal nic. And all you get at the console is "watchdog timeout on

OpenBSD 4.6-stable on IBM x3550 freezes on boot until key is pressed

2009-12-17 Thread Rouslan Iskhakov
Hi, OpenBSD 4.6-stable freezes on boot until any key pressed. Kernel is custom (with aac driver enabled). Thanks in the advance, Rouslan Using drive 0, partition 3. Loading... probing: pc0 com0 mem[619K 2814M 1280M a20=on] disk: hd0+ >> OpenBSD/amd64 BOOT 3.01 boot> booting hd0a:/bsd: 4817500+97

Re: smtpd(8) local delivery failure - help needed with diagnosis

2009-12-17 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:45:25 -0600 Adam Thompson wrote: > First, some baseline data: > So. WTF am I doing wrong? Help! You should add the following line to your smtpd.conf accept for local deliver to mbox or accept from local for local deliver to mbox > > -Adam Thompson > athom...@

Re: ATutor

2009-12-17 Thread Kevin Lo
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 16:29 -0500, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > Fred Crowson wrote: > > > On 12/16/09, Fred Crowson wrote: > > > On 12/16/09, Predrag Punosevac wrote: > > >> Dear All, > > >> > > >> Is anybody using Learning Management System ATutor? The only LMS I > > >> noticed in ports is Mood

smtpd(8) local delivery failure - help needed with diagnosis

2009-12-17 Thread Adam Thompson
First, some baseline data: r...@server:~# cat /etc/mailer.conf | grep -v '^#' sendmail/usr/sbin/smtpd send-mail /usr/sbin/smtpctl mailq /usr/sbin/smtpctl makemap /usr/libexec/smtpd/makemap newaliases /usr/libexec/smtpd/makemap Not sure if this is r

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