Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Damien Miller
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010, Samuel Baldwin wrote: > > Those who taste the de Raadt wrath, however, always run in the end. A friend > > of mine once incurred his ire by asking the wrong question at the wrong > > time, > > and Theo de Raadt hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard! > > hahaha

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Casey Allen Shobe
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Samuel Baldwin wrote: > > Those who taste the de Raadt wrath, however, always run in the end. A > friend > > of mine once incurred his ire by asking the wrong question at the wrong > time, > > and Theo de Raadt hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard!

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Sean Kamath
On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:28 PM, Teemu Rinta-aho wrote: > On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I >> watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive >> for a complete solution. I also looked at the soluti

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Samuel Baldwin
> Those who taste the de Raadt wrath, however, always run in the end. A friend > of mine once incurred his ire by asking the wrong question at the wrong time, > and Theo de Raadt hacked his router and remotely remapped his keyboard! hahahahahaha, slander? Hilarious either way. -- Samuel Baldwin

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO
He is just trolling... Just look at his postings...

Re: Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 6/10/10 4:06 PM, E.T wrote: My main question and therefore, is that OpenBSD supports a 100%, the atom D510?. The X server is configured with more time. But there will be no more bugs or conflicts later, more severe and troublesome. Same URL as earlier today. You should check the archive fir

Ospfd.conf, fib-update, and Syntax Errors

2010-06-10 Thread Andrew Klettke
All, I'm having a really strange issue with a 4.7 box running -stable and the option "fib-update no" in ospfd.conf: Here's my ospfd.conf: # cat /etc/ospfd.conf # $OpenBSD: ospfd.conf,v 1.4 2007/06/19 16:49:56 reyk Exp $ # Global Config router-id ***.***.***.*** fib-update no area 0.0.0.31 {

Re: Aspire One VGA (Intel 82945GME Video) not working in current but works in release

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
Hi I also crash X server. My graphics controller is an Intel GMA 3150 tested with OpenBSD 4.7. On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:17:27 +0200, Dusty wrote: > Hi > > I've recently installed OpenBSD 4.7 Release on my laptop, an Acer Aspire > One with SSD. Enjoying the improved performance I decided I wanted

Re: Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ? > > OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009 > t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD > cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz ("GenuineIntel" 686-class) > 1.60

Re: Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
In fact, there is color, the buttons work. That's cool :) Tanks > Maybe, but it beats the pants off the old Asus eeePC I had. It's a > netbook. I use it for portable productivity, coding, testing and web > surfing... not as an Internet gateway/FW. -- @plus

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Tilley
FRLinux wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper > wrote: >>> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. >> Okay, but what is your question? > > > I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with > OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :)

Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
Hi In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5 minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I installed all the packets, X-

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 6/10/10 2:41 PM, FRLinux wrote: I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :) My question (sorry for hijacking this thread) is : is there any people on this list who switched from soekris (geode) to atom, and are they happy wi

Re: Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Tilley
E.T wrote: > very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ? > > >> OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009 >> t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD >> cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz ("GenuineIntel" 6

pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Fraser
The same view of "or"ing items should then apply to tables as well, as does the use of "{" "}" as macro expansion, and we all know this not true. It is also true that "{" and "}" elsewhere are not simple macro expansion. If they were simple macro expansion then Block {in out} from addr Would b

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
yes, exactly !!! See my complete post before. On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:02:23 -0400, Brad Tilley wrote: > FRLinux wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper >> wrote: I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. >>> Okay, but what is your question? >> >> >> I g

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Vijay Sankar
FRLinux wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper wrote: I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. Okay, but what is your question? I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :) My question (s

Aspire One VGA (Intel 82945GME Video) not working in current but works in release

2010-06-10 Thread Dusty
Hi I've recently installed OpenBSD 4.7 Release on my laptop, an Acer Aspire One with SSD. Enjoying the improved performance I decided I wanted to follow current. I was hoping for webcam and ath0 support. (Apparently I'm SOL when it comes to the ath0, its one of 'those' chipsets that doesn't wo

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Erid S Pulley
On Thu, June 10, 2010 12:18 pm, E.T wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I > watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive > for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is > expensive compared to D510mo from

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Teemu Rinta-aho
On 06/10/2010 09:18 PM, E.T wrote: Hi all I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is expensive compared to D510mo from Intel. Well it

Multiple Internet Connections and Inbound ftp-proxy to FTP Server Behind Firewall OpenBSD 4.7

2010-06-10 Thread dontek
This is somewhat an extension of the thread "No SSH on External Interfaces After pf.conf Rewrite for Load Balancing Outgoing Traffic" that Devin helped me out with, but I started a new thread with a new title so other searching might find it correctly. I have one last issue since I moved to Ope

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread umaxx
Hi, On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:27:22 +0200 Markus Hennecke wrote: > >> A guy > >> working at Strato told me that it was left out for marketing reasons > >> to make the virtual servers look better. > > > > He seems to be wrong. > > I think I did not formulate the sentence right, he said that they lef

Re: pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
> The same view of "or"ing items should then apply to tables as well, as does > the use of "{" "}" as macro expansion, > and we all know this not true. You are making up rules as you go along. Why don't you go read the code? > It is also true that "{" and "}" elsewhere are not simple macro exp

Re: Processeur Atom

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Tilley
E.T wrote: > Hi > > In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of > room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to > disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5 > minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I instal

Re: GMA 3150 (Was: Re: Aspire One VGA (Intel 82945GME Video) not working in current but works in release)

2010-06-10 Thread Robert
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:32:56 +0200 "E.T" wrote: > Hi > > I also crash X server. My graphics controller is an Intel GMA 3150 > tested with OpenBSD 4.7. Don't hijack threads. Search the mailinglist first.

Re: pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 02:08:04PM -0400, Peter Fraser wrote: > > I (and I realize I was wrong ) always considered that > > > > pass quick from { addr 1, addr2 } > > > > Could be written as > > > > pass quick from addr1 > > pass quick from addr2 > > > > put if "!" are used this obvious shoul

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread FRLinux
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper wrote: >> I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. > Okay, but what is your question? I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :) My question (sorry for hijack

Re: pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 02:08:04PM -0400, Peter Fraser wrote: > I (and I realize I was wrong ) always considered that > > pass quick from { addr 1, addr2 } > > Could be written as > > pass quick from addr1 > pass quick from addr2 > > put if "!" are used this obvious should not be true > > pas

Re: pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Stephane Sezer
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:08:04 -0400 Peter Fraser wrote: Hi, > I (and I realize I was wrong ) always considered that > > pass quick from { addr 1, addr2 } > > Could be written as > > pass quick from addr1 > pass quick from addr2 This is true. > put if "!" are used this obvious should not be

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread DonTek
You can use an Atom, I'm using a 1.6GHz dual-core version on my home firewall. It is more than sufficient for small-medium traffic. On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:18 PM, "E.T" wrote: Hi all I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are les

Re: Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 08:18:44PM +0200, E.T wrote: > Hi all > > I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. Okay, but what is your question? Joachim

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Markus Hennecke
Am 10.06.2010 14:08, schrieb Joerg Zinke: Hi, On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:07:08 +0200 Markus Hennecke wrote: Am 09.06.2010 20:35, schrieb umaxx: I have a "PowerServer M" with Opteron 1210 which runs fine with 4.7-stable and native(!) IPv6. Does the "PowerServer M" still got the serial console

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Markus Hennecke
Am 10.06.2010 14:10, schrieb Alexander Farber: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Markus Hennecke wrote: I still got the old "M" server with the athlon and I have to disable ACPI to make it run correctly. Markus, how do you disable ACPI, with some Linux command? I am running OpenBSD on th

Processeur Atom ?

2010-06-10 Thread E.T
Hi all I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is expensive compared to D510mo from Intel. In the doc OpenBSD i386: http://openbsd.org

Re: pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Tilley
Peter Fraser wrote: > man pf.conf never describes what "!" does. The "!" is used in some examples > and > a lot of the time is obvious what will happens. The pf faq has somewhat more > of > an explanation of "!" with multiple address, but its explanation only refers > to the > use of "!" in ta

pf and "!"

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Fraser
man pf.conf never describes what "!" does. The "!" is used in some examples and a lot of the time is obvious what will happens. The pf faq has somewhat more of an explanation of "!" with multiple address, but its explanation only refers to the use of "!" in tables. There is never any statement

Re: pf anchors

2010-06-10 Thread Henning Brauer
* Kevin Chadwick [2010-06-10 18:08]: > > no. it is imposing limits that should not be there and that the new pf > > core does not require any more. > Is it not even slightly required or would a warning message be > appropriate. warnings are useless -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openb

Re: pf anchors

2010-06-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> no. it is imposing limits that should not be there and that the new pf > core does not require any more. > Is it not even slightly required or would a warning message be appropriate.

Re: prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 05:43:58PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:11:48 +0200 > Claudio Jeker wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:39:24PM +0200, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > > Hi! > > > >> On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to > > > >> another. F

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Man, it's not me. Just wanted to share that with you all. Like a dick in a pudding. You may want to share it with us all but no-one else wants you to. Meaning of words is what's important and from what I've seen, theo meant very little which you have taken to heart. From the few examples I've

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread STeve Andre'
On Thursday 10 June 2010 06:04:21 Alexander Farber wrote: > I was hoping for some interesting arguments > > But there was just whining about Theo's personality > (with which I don't agree) and lack of some drivers > (blobs - no thank you) Why? What can possibly be said that will change anything?

Re: prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Gregory Edigarov
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:11:48 +0200 Claudio Jeker wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:39:24PM +0200, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > > Hi! > > >> On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to > > >> another. First we moved the IP to the other interface and after > > >> that we removed the

Re: iked(8) and ikectl(8)

2010-06-10 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:35:36 +0200 Reyk Floeter wrote: > but please a little bit before using it in production networks, > iked(8) is not fully ready yet ;-). I'm following your commit flow about it and is exiting, this is why I'm still with OpenBSD ;) -- Massimo

Re: prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 03:39:24PM +0200, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > Hi! > >> On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to another. > >> First we moved the IP to the other interface and after that we removed > >> the old VLAN interface. Now we notice that the old link stays in the >

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Christiano F. Haesbaert
I AM truly amazed, "people can't read" is indeed a fact.

Re: prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Spekreijse
Hi! >> On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to another. >> First we moved the IP to the other interface and after that we removed >> the old VLAN interface. Now we notice that the old link stays in the >> OSFP fib. >> >> ospfctl sh fib >> >> >> >> *C0 xx.yy.233.160

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Robert
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:04:14 +0200 Alexander Farber wrote: > I was wondering that as well, since Strato doesn't mention > "Remote Console" in the description of its "PowerServer L" and "M". > And without that you probably can't install OpenBSD there? > (I've seen a web page though, which somehow

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread David Coppa
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Alexander Farber wrote: > I was wondering that as well, since Strato doesn't mention > "Remote Console" in the description of its "PowerServer L" and "M". > And without that you probably can't install OpenBSD there? > (I've seen a web page though, which somehow use

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Alexander Farber
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Markus Hennecke wrote: > I still got the old "M" server with the athlon and I > have to disable ACPI to make it run correctly. > Markus, how do you disable ACPI, with some Linux command? Thanks Alex

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Joerg Zinke
Hi, On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:07:08 +0200 Markus Hennecke wrote: > Am 09.06.2010 20:35, schrieb umaxx: > > > > I have a "PowerServer M" with Opteron 1210 which runs fine with > > 4.7-stable and native(!) IPv6. > > > Does the "PowerServer M" still got the serial console option? Yes, I used serial c

Re: Hosting at Strato.de: anybody using PowerServer L with Opteron 1212 HE?

2010-06-10 Thread Alexander Farber
I was wondering that as well, since Strato doesn't mention "Remote Console" in the description of its "PowerServer L" and "M". And without that you probably can't install OpenBSD there? (I've seen a web page though, which somehow used VMWare for that...) After some consideration, I've decided to b

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Leonardo Carneiro - Veltrac
LeviaComm Networks NOC wrote: ... hell the word troll is in the URL. LOL! and in the last day, god said: "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!"

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Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Dexter Tomisson
What a waste of bytes.. Which planet did you come from? Well, at least, are you able to read? On 10 June 2010 12:10, S H wrote: > Dexter, > > I'm still relatively new to OpenBSD and the community, however a few > days ago you had asked about why large memory support still wasn't > enabled by

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Alexander Farber
I was hoping for some interesting arguments But there was just whining about Theo's personality (with which I don't agree) and lack of some drivers (blobs - no thank you)

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Eric Furman
Yes, Theo is an asshole. Let me cut my own throat to prove I'm a good guy!. Yea!! BTW, Theo *IS* an asshole. Most geniuses are ... On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:28 +0300, "Dexter Tomisson" wrote: > http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html

Re: prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:59:53AM +0200, Peter Spekreijse wrote: > Hi! > > On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to another. > First we moved the IP to the other interface and after that we removed > the old VLAN interface. Now we notice that the old link stays in the > OSFP f

Re: how to type non latin in xterm?; video stream to watch FIFA World Cup?

2010-06-10 Thread Paolo Aglialoro
Hello, I was myself trying to figure out how to use both unicode and cyrillic in openbsd but, surfing the net, I haven't yet found a working howto on the matter. Trying to alter LANG or LC_ALL has just sorted out complains from the os during login, but no effect (actual locale is still "C"). Basi

ospfd double prefix

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Spekreijse test
Hi! On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to another. First we moved the IP to the other interface and after that we removed the old VLAN interface. Now we notice that the old link stays in the OSFP fib. ospfctl sh fib *C0 xx.yy.233.160/28 link#62 C4

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread S H
Dexter, I'm still relatively new to OpenBSD and the community, however a few days ago you had asked about why large memory support still wasn't enabled by default. Asking if the developers needed hardware, funding or what not to get it working properly. If you were in fact a developer as your l

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Dunceor
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dexter Tomisson wrote: > Man, it's not me. Just wanted to share that with you all. > > On 10 June 2010 11:40, Dunceor wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson >> wrote: >> > http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html >> > >> >

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread LeviaComm Networks NOC
On 6/10/2010 1:44 AM, Casey Allen Shobe wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dexter Tomissonwrote: http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html It's always funny when somebody ends up "leaving for their own good", that they need to write a lot about it and try to convince many

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Dexter Tomisson
Man, it's not me. Just wanted to share that with you all. On 10 June 2010 11:40, Dunceor wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson > wrote: > > http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html > > > > > > Ok why write a long text and the only reason you have is that you

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Casey Allen Shobe
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson wrote: > http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html > > It's always funny when somebody ends up "leaving for their own good", that they need to write a lot about it and try to convince many others to agree with their notions. Develop/

Re: Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Dunceor
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Dexter Tomisson wrote: > http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html > > Ok why write a long text and the only reason you have is that you are unhappy with driver support and with Theo? I was looking for some more indepth discussion on why you choose

Why I left OpenBSD

2010-06-10 Thread Dexter Tomisson
http://www.trollaxor.com/2010/06/why-i-left-openbsd.html

Re: Page fault trap on IBM x336

2010-06-10 Thread Patrick Coleman
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:47 AM, patrick keshishian wrote: > > you realize obsd4.5 isn't supported any longer since 4.7 was released. Fair enough. I've managed to get 4.7 working by reverting /sys/dev/pci/pci.c to 1.72, as suggested in that thread, so I guess I'll try that. Cheers, Patrick --

prefix of removed interface stays in ospf fib

2010-06-10 Thread Peter Spekreijse
Hi! On a OpenBSD 4.6 router we have moved an IP from one VLAN to another. First we moved the IP to the other interface and after that we removed the old VLAN interface. Now we notice that the old link stays in the OSFP fib. ospfctl sh fib *C0 xx.yy.233.160/28 link#62 C4