Re: dhcpd knob

2010-06-21 Thread Mehma Sarja

On 6/20/10 6:43 AM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:

Rod Whitworth wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:38:10 -0700, Mehma Sarja wrote:


I can vouch for the water in India.

Which is no doubt the reason that Mr Tata supplied us with crates of
bottled water when we were working there? So you could vouch for it?

We were instructed not to even use tap water in the Taj Residency to
brush our teeth...




why would someone not want to drink water from the ganges? the charred 
semi-decomposed bits of corpses really brings out the rest of the 
flavors.



OK people,

I meant to say that I can vouch that the water is bad. If someone wants 
to read otherwise, it's a free country. I found the comparison apt and 
thus commented.


Mehma



Re: dhcpd knob

2010-06-21 Thread Tomas Bodzar
You missed main point. Theo is not known as someone politically
correct  ;-) But that's why this is system is so fine.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Mehma Sarja mehmasa...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 6/20/10 6:43 AM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:

 Rod Whitworth wrote:

 On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:38:10 -0700, Mehma Sarja wrote:

 I can vouch for the water in India.

 Which is no doubt the reason that Mr Tata supplied us with crates of
 bottled water when we were working there? So you could vouch for it?

 We were instructed not to even use tap water in the Taj Residency to
 brush our teeth...



 why would someone not want to drink water from the ganges? the charred
 semi-decomposed bits of corpses really brings out the rest of the flavors.

 OK people,

 I meant to say that I can vouch that the water is bad. If someone wants to
 read otherwise, it's a free country. I found the comparison apt and thus
 commented.

 Mehma



Re: dhcpd knob

2010-06-21 Thread Siju George
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org
wrote:
 On 18 Jun, patric conant wrote:
  Is there a line to be added to dhcpd.conf to tell dhcpd to attempt to
update
  bind9 with hostnames from dhcp client, BIND is configured to allow
updates
  from the lan, and dhcpd and BIND are running on the same machine, I've
seen
  other bind implementations that do this by default, and others still
that
  have a knob in dhcpd.conf, but nothing in dhcpd's man pages seem to say
  either way.

 you need at least isc dhcp version 3.X for dynamic updates - openbsd ships
with
 something older last time i checked. a isc dhcp 3.something package is
 available.

 we don't ship with something older.

 what we ship has been audited, seperated, rinsed, and made extra clean
 and unscary.  the changes are very substantial.

 anyone is welcome to run the official isc stuff if they want.  they're
 also welcome to drink the water in india.


What is wrong with the water in India?
We drink it all the time and got no probs :-)
Dont take it from the tap take it from the pond directly if you dont
like chlorine ;-)

--Siju



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Re: X hangs with Intel GM965 Acceleration

2010-06-21 Thread Owain Ainsworth
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 04:20:29PM +0200, Elmar Bschorer wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I have a thinkpad T61 running OpenBSD 4.7 (amd64).
 
 Whenever I try to start X with UXA Acceleration for my intel 956GM
 graphic card I end up with a black Screen and X hangs :-(
 My System even does not react to any Ctrl + Alt + F(X) anymore. I can
 only power off the system :-(
 
 Unfortunately I need the UXA Acceleration, because X is terribly slow
 without any Acceleration.

You should be using EXA acceleration (the default in 4.7) without kernel
memory management (which is present in current, but not in 4.7).

Also, why do you need an xorg.conf? Nothing in that configuration file
cannot be autodetected by X itself.

-0-
-- 
We must remember the First Amendment which protects any shrill jackass
no matter how self-seeking.
-- F. G. Withington



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Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Tony Berth
did the following:

after navigating to: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting

applied:

# *cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src*

using *cvsroot=anon...@anoncvs.fr.openbsd.org:/cvs*


Then downloaded: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.7.tar.gz

and applied:

cd /usr/src
patch -p0  001_kerberos.patch


as referred in:
ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.7/common/001_kerberos.patch


Thanks

Tony

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Nick Holland
n...@holland-consulting.netwrote:

 On 06/18/10 09:42, Tony Berth wrote:
  when trying to patch a new i386 installation with the first patch I get
 the
  following:
 ...
  Patching file kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c using Plan A...
  Hunk #1 succeeded at 3463 (offset 12 lines).
  Hunk #2 failed at 3543.
  Hunk #3 succeeded at 3607 (offset 7 lines).
  1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to
  kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej
  done

 you did something wrong.
 You didn't tell us what you did, so that's the most I can^Wwill say.
 For giggles, I just tested it against the 4.7 source, and (surprise!)
 it worked just fine.

 So, start with faq5, starting at the top, and work your way through at
 least to 5.4 (10.15 would be a good read after 5.1-5.4) and see if you
 can find what variation from the proper process that you felt was
 harmless or what command you typed in blindly without understanding
 what it meant and how it interacted with other things.

 (and yes, I have a pretty good idea what you did, and understanding
 faq5.html will set you straight.  Assuming you can pick and chose
 which parts you read is how you got in trouble.  It is a dense read,
 but pretty important to understanding what you were trying to do here.
  It is worth the time to understand...)

 Nick.

 /nfs1/test $ patch -p0 001_kerberos.patch
 Hmm...  Looks like a unified diff to me...
 The text leading up to this was:
 --
 |Apply by doing:
 |   cd /usr/src
 |   patch -p0  001_kerberos.patch
 |
 |Rebuild and install the Kerberos 5 library:
 |   cd lib/libkrb5
 |   make obj
 |   make depend
 |   make
 |   make install
 |
 |And then rebuild and install the Kerberos 5 KDC:
 |   cd ../../kerberosV/libexec/kdc
 |   make obj
 |   make depend
 |   make
 |   make install
 |
 |
 |Index: kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c
 |===
 |RCS file: /cvs/src/kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c,v
 |retrieving revision 1.10
 |diff -p -u -p -u -r1.10 crypto.c
 |--- kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c6 Oct 2006 07:09:10 -
  1.10
 |+++ kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c30 Mar 2010 17:17:43 -
 --
 Patching file kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c using Plan A...
 Hunk #1 succeeded at 3451.
 Hunk #2 succeeded at 3531.
 Hunk #3 succeeded at 3600.
 done



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 03:03:08PM +0200, Tony Berth wrote:
 did the following:
 
 after navigating to: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting
 
 applied:
 
 # *cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src*
 
 using *cvsroot=anon...@anoncvs.fr.openbsd.org:/cvs*

That gets you -stable. Don't apply patches to that; just rebuild the
system from it (http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Bld).

Joachim



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Dennis Davis
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010, Tony Berth wrote:

 From: Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com
 To: Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net
 Cc: misc@openbsd.org
 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:03:08
 Subject: Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to
 kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej
 
 did the following:
 
 after navigating to: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting
 
 applied:
 
 # *cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src*
 
 using *cvsroot=anon...@anoncvs.fr.openbsd.org:/cvs*

I think you missed the line:

  The OPENBSD_4_7 tag contains the release sources and errata already applied.

in: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting

which would explain the failure to apply patches which are already
applied.
 Then downloaded: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.7.tar.gz
 
 and applied:
 
 cd /usr/src
 patch -p0  001_kerberos.patch
 
 
 as referred in:
 ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.7/common/001_kerberos.patch
-- 
Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK
d.h.da...@bath.ac.uk   Phone: +44 1225 386101



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Nick Holland

Tony Berth wrote:

did the following:

after navigating to: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting

applied:

# *cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src*

...
now, as I suggested, go read FAQ5 and find out what this does.

(and yes, I guessed right. :)

Nick.



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Tony Berth
but FAQ5 is about 'Building the System from Source' which I don't want! I
just want to patch an existing system!

Instead of

'# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src'

I applied

'# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P src'

in order to get the current tree but patch001 still gives the same error!


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Nick Holland
n...@holland-consulting.netwrote:

 Tony Berth wrote:

 did the following:

 after navigating to: http://openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#starting

 applied:

 # *cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src*

 ...
 now, as I suggested, go read FAQ5 and find out what this does.

 (and yes, I guessed right. :)

 Nick.



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com writes:

 Instead of

 '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src'

 I applied

 '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P src'

 in order to get the current tree but patch001 still gives the same error!

That command would get most likey you -current source, so it's no
surprise the patch doesn't apply cleanly.  If you want -current, the
best advice is to install a snapshot and take it from there (or just
keep fetching snapshots).

On the other hand, if you want 4.7-stable, check out the 4.7 source
and apply the errata patches.

- P
-- 
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic
delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread TeXitoi
Tony Berth tonybe...@googlemail.com writes:

 but FAQ5 is about 'Building the System from Source' which I don't want! I
 just want to patch an existing system!
 
 [bla bla bla didn't read the docs]

http://openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches
http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Flavors

-- 
Guillaume Pinot   http://www.irccyn.ec-nantes.fr/~pinot/

+ Les grandes personnes ne comprennent jamais rien toutes seules, et
c'est fatigant, pour les enfants, de toujours leur donner des
explications... ; -- Antoine de Saint-Exupiry, Le Petit Prince

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Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Tony,

Tony Berth wrote on Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 08:11:31PM +0200:

 but FAQ5 is about 'Building the System from Source' which I don't want!
 I just want to patch an existing system!

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches

Note that this one doesn't talk about cvs checkout at all,
but recommends different ways to get the RELEASE sources.

 Instead of
 '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src'
 I applied
 '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P src'
 in order to get the current tree but patch001 still gives the same error!

None of these is RELEASE.

If you want to understand what these two commands do, follow Nick's advice
and read FAQ 5.  Granted, that's not required for patching your system, but
maybe you want to understand what you are doing and why it fails...

Sometimes, it *is* useful to read a bit more than the bare minimum
required to type the right commands, in order to be able to understand
your own errors and become able to help yourself.

Yours,
  Ingo



Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot

2010-06-21 Thread Epidemic SomeGuy
Hi, that is indeed the weirdest thing I've heard in a while :)
I just tried it on the computer that fails, but I'm testing this with
OpenBSD on a USB stick and when it detects a CD and I don't actually
boot from it, it just boots from the harddrive instead. (Not from the
USB which is next in the boot-order)
I will try to find time tomorrow, and install it on a harddive and try
this trick again.

FWIW I got a tip off-list about putting some debug info in
/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/stand/libsa/memprobe.c to try to figure out
where it stops, and it seems to be this chunk of code at line 75:

__asm __volatile(DOINT(0x15) ; setc %b1
: =a (sig), =d (rc), =b (off)
: 0 (0xE820), 1 (0x534d4150), b (off),
  c (sizeof(*mp)), D (((u_int)mp)  0xF)
: cc, memory);

I just put a printf() before and after this code and it prints the one
before it and then it just freezes.
(See diff below. This gives the output
probing: pc0 pci mem[Debug1Debug2
)

I don't know if this is helpful at all, but if someone have a diff
they want me to test or something I'll be happy to recompile boot
again and test it here.
Or maybe the bios is so badly broken that the real fix for this
would be in the form of a bios-update from HP?
I'll look for that too.

Thanks!


--- memprobe99.c~   Mon Jun 21 19:41:34 2010
+++ memprobe.c  Mon Jun 21 19:43:08 2010
@@ -68,17 +68,17 @@
 bios_E820(bios_memmap_t *mp)
 {
int rc, off = 0, sig, gotcha = 0;
-
+   printf(Debug1);
do {
BIOS_regs.biosr_es = ((u_int)(mp)  4);
-
+   printf(Debug2);
__asm __volatile(DOINT(0x15) ; setc %b1
: =a (sig), =d (rc), =b (off)
: 0 (0xE820), 1 (0x534d4150), b (off),
  c (sizeof(*mp)), D (((u_int)mp)  0xF)
: cc, memory);
off = BIOS_regs.biosr_bx;
-
+   printf(Debug3);
if (rc  0xff || sig != 0x534d4150)
break;
gotcha++;


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:41:01PM -0500, Todd Alan Smith wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us
wrote:
  This is most likely a bios issue and I hoped my little trick helped you
  past the bios boot part.

 Yeah, me too. I guess I'll have to look for a BIOS update, though I'm
 not very optimistic that one exists.

 By the way, I don't understand why your trick would work in any
 situation. I didn't think anything persists beyond a reboot. I am
 really puzzled that it works in some situations. Weird.

 The cd boot trick moves memory around enough.  You don't want to know
 how bios is written and this is one of those examples that proves how
 bad it really is.


  HP/compaq really know how to be incompatible.

 Yeah, no doubt.



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Tony Abernethy
Ingo Schwarze wrote:

 Hi Tony,

 Tony Berth wrote on Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 08:11:31PM +0200:

  but FAQ5 is about 'Building the System from Source' which I don't
 want!
  I just want to patch an existing system!

 http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches

 Note that this one doesn't talk about cvs checkout at all,
 but recommends different ways to get the RELEASE sources.

  Instead of
  '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P -rOPENBSD_4_7 src'
  I applied
  '# cd /usr; cvs checkout -P src'
  in order to get the current tree but patch001 still gives the same
 error!

 None of these is RELEASE.

 If you want to understand what these two commands do, follow Nick's
 advice
 and read FAQ 5.  Granted, that's not required for patching your system,
 but
 maybe you want to understand what you are doing and why it fails...

 Sometimes, it *is* useful to read a bit more than the bare minimum
 required to type the right commands, in order to be able to understand
 your own errors and become able to help yourself.

 Yours,
   Ingo


Maybe I'm just being dense, but HOW can you patch a system without
building from source?

... unless you have binary patches for all the architectures
and that gets much more complicated if you have combinations of patches
...



Re: acpidump on macbook 3,1

2010-06-21 Thread Ted Roby
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
 This is not useful.  acpidump -o macbook3_1
 is.


And condensed. Here's the result:

/*
RSD PTR: Checksum=197, OEMID=APPLE, RsdtAddress=0xb0fc
 */
/*
RSDT: Length=84, Revision=1, Checksum=143,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x8e,
Creator ID=, Creator Revision=0x113
 */
/*
Entries={ 0xbeeec000, 0xbeeeb000, 0xbeeea000, 0xbeee9000, 0xbeee8000,
0xbeee7000, 0xbeee6000, 0xbeec6000, 0xbeec5000, 0xbeec4000,
0xbeee, 0xbeedf000 }
 */
/*
DSDT=0xbeee1000
INT_MODEL=PIC
SCI_INT=9
SMI_CMD=0xb2, ACPI_ENABLE=0xf0, ACPI_DISABLE=0xf1, S4BIOS_REQ=0xf2
PM1a_EVT_BLK=0x400-0x403
PM1a_CNT_BLK=0x404-0x405
PM2_CNT_BLK=0x420-0x420
PM2_TMR_BLK=0x408-0x40b
PM2_GPE0_BLK=0x428-0x42f
P_LVL2_LAT=101ms, P_LVL3_LAT=1001ms
FLUSH_SIZE=0, FLUSH_STRIDE=0
DUTY_OFFSET=1, DUTY_WIDTH=3
DAY_ALRM=13, MON_ALRM=0, CENTURY=50
Flags={WBINVD,PROC_C1,SLP_BUTTON,RTC_S4}
 */
/*
DSDT: Length=17846, Revision=1, Checksum=59,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=MacBook, OEM Revision=0x30001,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */
/*
HPET: Length=56, Revision=1, Checksum=204,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
APIC: Length=104, Revision=1, Checksum=142,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
MCFG: Length=60, Revision=1, Checksum=228,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
ASF!: Length=165, Revision=32, Checksum=182,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
SBST: Length=48, Revision=1, Checksum=132,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
ECDT: Length=83, Revision=1, Checksum=57,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Apple00, OEM Revision=0x1,
Creator ID=Loki, Creator Revision=0x5f
 */
/*
SSDT: Length=1244, Revision=1, Checksum=190,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=CpuPm, OEM Revision=0x3000,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */
/*
SSDT: Length=607, Revision=1, Checksum=87,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Cpu0Tst, OEM Revision=0x3000,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */
/*
SSDT: Length=166, Revision=1, Checksum=228,
OEMID=APPLE, OEM Table ID=Cpu1Tst, OEM Revision=0x3000,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */
/*
SSDT: Length=1348, Revision=1, Checksum=122,
OEMID=SataRe, OEM Table ID=SataPri, OEM Revision=0x1000,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */
/*
SSDT: Length=1143, Revision=1, Checksum=187,
OEMID=SataRe, OEM Table ID=SataSec, OEM Revision=0x1000,
Creator ID=INTL, Creator Revision=0x20061109
 */



amdiic0: exec: TimeOut on OpenBSD 4.6

2010-06-21 Thread Beavis
Greetings to All,

I'm running OpenBSD 4.6 as a webserver on a Sun X4100 M1 Hardware. I'm
currently experiencing some slowness even though i only run a simple
web-server with a Mysql backend. Network connections seem to be fine.
but dmesg is spitting out the following:

amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout
amdiic0: exec: op 1, addr 0x2c, cmdlen 1, len 1, flags 0x08: timeout

Anyone experience this? Any help would be awesomely appreciated.


thanks,
-b

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Any ideas on this crash?

2010-06-21 Thread STeve Andre'
   My package builder died this weekend when I couldn't get to it.
I may have hardware problems--I'm not sure.  Below is the relevent
data typed in.  Any ideas?  This is an i386-current system compiled
on June 15th.

Thanks, STeve Andre'

- ps  trace data 
First bad
/: bad dir ino 14 at offset 69632: mangled entry
panic: bad dir
Stopped at Debugger+0x4: leave

ddb{1}trace
Debugger(d861a1ec,d2ee3000,de2edbac,d2ee3000,0) at Debugger+0x4
panic(d07d10fb,d858cac8,de2edc4c,da2244000,0) at panic+0x55
ufs_dirbad(d858cac8,11000,d07d10ed,1,d8e1e678) at ufs_dirbad+0x45
ufs_lookup(de2edc64,20042,d8c7e00c,0,d08c8c38) at ufs_lookup+0xbc1
VOP_LOOKUP(d861a1ec,de2ede34,de2ede48,20) at VOP_LOOKUP+0x2e
lookup(de2ede24,d8c51c00,400,de2ede3c) at lookup+0x1a0
namei(de2ede24,8223d,0,d8bdbaf0) at namei+0x18c
vn_open(de2ede24,5,0,d8c7e00c) at vn_open+0x33d
sys_open(d8c7e00c,de2edf64,de2edf54,d8c7e00c) at sys_open+0xdb
syscall() at syscall+0x134

ddb{1} mach ddbcpu 0

trace

Debugger(d09ea480,d07200c8,1,de011000,f0) at Debugger+0x4
i386_pip_handler(c0,de2b0058,d0500010,d2ec0010,f8170010) at 
i386_ipi_handler+0x4f
Xintrip() at Xintrip+0x47
--- interrupt ---
__mp_lock(d0937084,c6dae6ef,a9ab1383,d8e232b8) at __mp_lock+0c3e
__mp_acquire_count(d0937084,1,de2bde5c,d0392761) at __mp_acquire_count+0x1e
mi_switch(de2bde84,118,de2bde9c,d038f5a2,de2bde84) at mi_switch+0x1e0
sleep_finish(de2bde84,1,118,d07aadb8,d0) at sleep_finish+0xb7
tsleep(d093d348,118,d07aadb8,0,d0203549) at tsleep+0x7a
sys_poll(d8e232b8,de2bdf64,de2bdf54,d8e232b8) at sys_poll+0x299
syscall() at syscall+0x134
--- syscall (number 606643836) ---
0x2:


ps
   PIDPPIDPGRP  UID SFLAGS  WAIT  COMMAND
 19709   11273   197090 70x2004002find
 11273   23607   112730 30x2004082  pause ksh
 23607   18011   237070 30x2004080  selectsshd
 21064   20013   210640 30x2004082  ttyin ksh
 20013   25479   254790 30x282  ttyin script
 25479   32642   254790 30x2004082  ttyin script
  1400   114000 30x2004082  ttyin getty
 24500   1   245000 30x2004082  ttyin getty
 12855   1   128550 30x2004082  ttyin getty
  9491   194910 30x2004080  ttyin getty
 32642   1   326420 30x2004082  pause ksh
 30885   1   308850 30x2040180  selectsendmail
 22150   1   221500 30x280  selectcron
  6484   164840 30x2000180  selectinetd
 18011   1   180110 30x280  selectsshd
 188499314   21392   83 30x2000180  poll  ntpd
  9314   21392   21392   83 30x2000180  poll  ntpd
 21392   1   213920 30x280  poll  ntpd
*17369   10592   10592   73 70x2000180syslogd
 10592   1   105920 30x288  netio syslogd
21   0   00 30x2100200  bored crypto
20   0   00 30x2100200  aiodoned  aiodoned
19   0   00 30x2100200  syncerupdate
18   0   00 30x2100200  cleaner   cleaner
17   0   00 3 0x100200  reaperreaper
16   0   00 30x2100200  pgdaemon  pgdaemon
15   0   00 30x2100200  pftm  pfmurge
14   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb6
13   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb5
12   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb4
11   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb3
10   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb2
 9   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb1
 8   0   00 30x2100200  usbtskusbtask
 7   0   00 30x2100200  usbevtusb0
 6   0   00 30x2100200  acpi_idle acpi0
 5   0   00 3   0x40100200idle1
 4   0   00 30x2100200  bored syswq
 3   0   00 3   0x40100200idle0
 2   0   00 30x2100200  kmalloc   kmthread
 1   0   00 30x2104080  wait  init
 0  -1   00 30x2100200  scheduler swapper

 dmesg 

OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC.MP) #43: Tue Jun 15 10:29:25 EDT 2010
r...@vista.pls.msu.edu:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.13 
GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF,SSE3,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM
real mem  = 2144952320 (2045MB)
avail mem = 2067128320 (1971MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 11/30/06, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xffea0, 
SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0450 (76 entries)
bios0: vendor Dell Inc. version 2.0.8 date 11/30/2006
bios0: Dell Inc. 

Re: acpidump on macbook 3,1

2010-06-21 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010-06-21, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
 This is not useful.  acpidump -o macbook3_1
 is.


 And condensed. Here's the result:

That creates a bunch of files with names starting macbook3_1.
Tar them and point them online somewhere.



pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Ruy Bento

Hi,

I have a server with:

OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel Pentium II (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 234MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,MMX
real mem  = 100233216 (95MB)
avail mem = 87961600 (83MB)


With sendmail and spamd in blacklist (/etc/rc.conf.local):

spamd_flags=-bv   # for normal use:  and see spamd(8)
spamd_black=YES # set to YES to run spamd without greylisting
spamlogd_flags=-i rl0 # use eg. -i interface and see spamlogd(8)




/etc/mail/spamd.conf:

with:china:korea:  it's ok

with:uatraps:china:korea:  -  pfctl: Cannot allocate memory.

or
:nixspam::china:korea: -  pfctl: Cannot allocate memory.

with the shell /usr/libexec/spamd-setup -bd


vmstat -m
_

pfrke_plain   92196163 1175   429   39435   168 0 
  88


.

In use 2275K, total allocated 3808K; utilization 59.7%




pstat -s
Device  512-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Priority
swap_device 3299800   329980 0%0


In OpenBSD 4.6 the same hardware and config ... no problem.

I try several setups: Core2 Duo with 1 GB RAM (the same config) 4.6 and 
4.7, works.


But ... 4.6 and 4.7 with 128MB, 4.7 give the same error: pfctl: Cannot 
allocate memory. 


So I change

set limit tables 1
set limit table-entries 500

in pf.conf, but no luck.

My question is: In this small env. (100 MB - RAM) I need to change the 
Kernel memory or other sysctl value, which one?


I work with OpenBSd for more 10 years Intel, AMD, PPC - Webhosting, 
Servers, Firewalls.


Thank you for your great effort and work.

Best regards,
Ruy Benton



Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
 avail mem = 87961600 (83MB)

 with:uatraps:china:korea:  -  pfctl: Cannot allocate memory.

Not enough kernel memory.



Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Bennett

Ruy Bento wrote:

Hi,

I have a server with:

OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel Pentium II (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 234MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,MMX
real mem  = 100233216 (95MB)
avail mem = 87961600 (83MB)


With sendmail and spamd in blacklist (/etc/rc.conf.local):

spamd_flags=-bv   # for normal use:  and see spamd(8)
spamd_black=YES # set to YES to run spamd without greylisting
spamlogd_flags=-i rl0 # use eg. -i interface and see spamlogd(8)




/etc/mail/spamd.conf:

with:china:korea:  it's ok

with:uatraps:china:korea:  -  pfctl: Cannot allocate memory.

or
:nixspam::china:korea: -  pfctl: Cannot allocate memory.

with the shell /usr/libexec/spamd-setup -bd


vmstat -m
_

pfrke_plain   92196163 1175   429   39435   168 0 
  88


.

In use 2275K, total allocated 3808K; utilization 59.7%




pstat -s
Device  512-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Priority
swap_device 3299800   329980 0%0


In OpenBSD 4.6 the same hardware and config ... no problem.

I try several setups: Core2 Duo with 1 GB RAM (the same config) 4.6 
and 4.7, works.


But ... 4.6 and 4.7 with 128MB, 4.7 give the same error: pfctl: 
Cannot allocate memory. 


So I change

set limit tables 1
set limit table-entries 500

in pf.conf, but no luck.

My question is: In this small env. (100 MB - RAM) I need to change the 
Kernel memory or other sysctl value, which one?


I work with OpenBSd for more 10 years Intel, AMD, PPC - Webhosting, 
Servers, Firewalls.


Thank you for your great effort and work.

Best regards,
Ruy Benton


OK, I'm game to ask after seeing Theo's response. I actually have some 
equipment like this, not that I use it this way, normally.


So, change a setting or rewrite things to fit better in this small 
memory space?
I was actually using that laptop to make some pretty extensive website 
changes last year, while traveling with little internet access.
Filled those boring hours while I waked up hours before the world back 
then. No regrets having brought that old thing with me! :)


Chris Bennett



Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
  OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
  dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
  cpu0: Intel Pentium II (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 234MHz
  cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,MMX
  real mem  = 100233216 (95MB)
  avail mem = 87961600 (83MB)


  pstat -s
  Device  512-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Priority
  swap_device 3299800   329980 0%0


 OK, I'm game to ask after seeing Theo's response. I actually have some 
 equipment like this, not that I use it this way, normally.

You're kidding.

 So, change a setting or rewrite things to fit better in this small 
 memory space?

There is no solution.  The tables are in kernel memory.

The kernel isn't going to go out to swap space to check if packets
should flow through.  Would anyone want that?  No, of course not.

 I was actually using that laptop to make some pretty extensive website 
 changes last year, while traveling with little internet access.
 Filled those boring hours while I waked up hours before the world back 
 then. No regrets having brought that old thing with me! :)

Laptops tend to have more than 83MB of available memory.



Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Chris Bennett

Theo de Raadt wrote:

OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel Pentium II (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 234MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,MMX
real mem  = 100233216 (95MB)
avail mem = 87961600 (83MB)
  



  

pstat -s
Device  512-blocks UsedAvail Capacity  Priority
swap_device 3299800   329980 0%0
  



  
OK, I'm game to ask after seeing Theo's response. I actually have some 
equipment like this, not that I use it this way, normally.



You're kidding.

  
So, change a setting or rewrite things to fit better in this small 
memory space?



There is no solution.  The tables are in kernel memory.

The kernel isn't going to go out to swap space to check if packets
should flow through.  Would anyone want that?  No, of course not.

  
I was actually using that laptop to make some pretty extensive website 
changes last year, while traveling with little internet access.
Filled those boring hours while I waked up hours before the world back 
then. No regrets having brought that old thing with me! :)



Laptops tend to have more than 83MB of available memory.


  

No kidding, that sucker only has 128MB, after I added memory.
And I'm serious, I really did feel perfectly safe bringing it to parts 
unknown, where the locals said I really shouldn't be carrying it around 
in the streets.

I still have that antique, right here, working alongside a real computer.

But anyway, thanks for answering the question clearly

Chris Bennett



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Re: acpidump on macbook 3,1

2010-06-21 Thread Ted Roby
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org
wrote:
 On 2010-06-21, Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us
wrote:
 This is not useful.  acpidump -o macbook3_1
 is.


 And condensed. Here's the result:

 That creates a bunch of files with names starting macbook3_1.
 Tar them and point them online somewhere.


Sorry about that.

http://devio.us/~roby/acpi_macbook3_1.tar



Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot

2010-06-21 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Epidemic SomeGuy
epidemic.m...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
 Or maybe the bios is so badly broken that the real fix for this
 would be in the form of a bios-update from HP?
 I'll look for that too.

There is a BIOS update for the 786F6 systems (which is what I have):
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gxtyu6

Intuitive update instructions are here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/27gfryg

The thing is... it doesn't list a BIOS update for Linux. This must be
due to the linuxbios that bofh referred to, no? For Windows 7, it just
lists the Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A). For
Windows XP Pro and all Windows Vista variations, it lists both the
Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A) and the HP Compaq
Business Desktop System BIOS - 786F6 BIOS (ver. 3.10 Rev. A).  For
Windows 2000, it lists just the 3.10 update. My machine actually
shipped with Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, with a BIOS
version of 01.09. I'm thinking I ought to try the 3.10 update.

Thoughts? Marco?



Re: 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to kerberosV/src/lib/krb5/crypto.c.rej

2010-06-21 Thread Nick Holland
On 06/21/10 15:05, Tony Abernethy wrote:
 Maybe I'm just being dense, but HOW can you patch a system without
 building from source?
 
 ... unless you have binary patches for all the architectures
 and that gets much more complicated if you have combinations of patches
 ...

The difference is building everything vs. building just the parts you
need.  We do have users in parts of the world where buying on CDs is
not just about supporting the project, but also saves massive download
times, and the source code on CD is very useful as well.  Small patch
files make life so much easier for them.  It is also an issue with
very slow computers, where a complete build may take days.

Since most people now consider a 1GHz system slow and have
moderately high speed connections, I'm not really sure it matters that
much.  The time required to patch and build each individual file is
pretty substantial and interactive, as opposed to simply checking out
the appropriate source and letting it rip and come back a few hours
later and have a fully patched system.

However, in the time the OP has refused to understand the directions,
he could have rebuilt the system on a 66MHz 486DX2 with a bit of
off-chip cache...and obviously checking out the code is not a problem
for him either.

Nick.



Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot

2010-06-21 Thread Marco Peereboom
Sure you install windows on it then install the bios then you blow away
wondows again.  I don't know the hp magic to update bios'.

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 08:16:29PM -0500, Todd Alan Smith wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Epidemic SomeGuy
 epidemic.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 snip
  Or maybe the bios is so badly broken that the real fix for this
  would be in the form of a bios-update from HP?
  I'll look for that too.
 
 There is a BIOS update for the 786F6 systems (which is what I have):
 http://preview.tinyurl.com/2gxtyu6
 
 Intuitive update instructions are here:
 http://preview.tinyurl.com/27gfryg
 
 The thing is... it doesn't list a BIOS update for Linux. This must be
 due to the linuxbios that bofh referred to, no? For Windows 7, it just
 lists the Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A). For
 Windows XP Pro and all Windows Vista variations, it lists both the
 Business Desktops BIOS Utilities (ver. 4.02 Rev. A) and the HP Compaq
 Business Desktop System BIOS - 786F6 BIOS (ver. 3.10 Rev. A).  For
 Windows 2000, it lists just the 3.10 update. My machine actually
 shipped with Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10, with a BIOS
 version of 01.09. I'm thinking I ought to try the 3.10 update.
 
 Thoughts? Marco?



Re: HP laptop woes

2010-06-21 Thread Marco Peereboom
I only got a couple of offers for real short term loaners.  This will
help us fix one or two issues but won't help us getting all the issues
wrung out.  I can think of at least 5 or so issues with the current code
on HP machines (not just laptops!) ranging from overheating to busted
ACPI tables resulting in crashes.  So if you care about making HP
machines work properly please step up.  I got a few more days left
before I travel to the hackathon.

Cheers,
/marco

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:03:46AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote:
 There has been a huge uptick of ACPI failures on HP laptops.  In order
 to be able to fix this we need to play with one or two.  A donation in
 time for the c2k10 would be greatly appreciated.  We need to have the
 machine(s) in hand by the 25th or so.
 
 Two models come to mind: HP4510s  HP EliteBook 8530w.
 
 Please contact me privately if you want to help getting this fixed.
 
 Also if you experience issues with an HP laptop send me the aml
 (acpidump -o hp_mymodel) and dmesg.  I want know what models are
 currently failing and with what failure.



Re: HP Compaq 6005 hanging on boot

2010-06-21 Thread Todd Alan Smith
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote:
 Sure you install windows on it then install the bios then you blow away
 wondows again. B I don't know the hp magic to update bios'.

That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. (The BIOS update
instructions are on the HP website.) I'll update this thread
afterwards.

Thanks for your insight, Marco.



OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns

2010-06-21 Thread mark hellewell
http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connecti
on/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490

Companies who release IT products with security vulnerabilities
should be open to claims for compensation by consumers, apparently.

Illegal to run without antivirus ... disconnection of vulnerable
computers.  A much needed kick up the arse for software makers or just
bat-shit insane?  Coming soon...

Mark



Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns

2010-06-21 Thread Adam M. Dutko
 Illegal to run without antivirus ... disconnection of vulnerable
 computers.  A much needed kick up the arse for software makers or just
 bat-shit insane?  Coming soon...


I tend to agree with your last comment.

begin article summary
Idiotic politicians with no business setting arbitrary rules on something
they don't understand...
end article summary



Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns

2010-06-21 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:52:30 +1000, mark hellewell wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/no-anti-virus-software-no-internet-connecti
on/story-e6frfro0-1225882656490

Companies who release IT products with security vulnerabilities
should be open to claims for compensation by consumers, apparently.

Illegal to run without antivirus ... disconnection of vulnerable
computers.  A much needed kick up the arse for software makers or just
bat-shit insane?  Coming soon...

Mark


Never mind anything else - nobody can prove a negative. There goes the
claim for damages.

Nobody at OpenBSD would claim that they could guarantee that there is
no exploit waiting to be found in the OS. 

They just make better efforts than anybody else to reduce the chances.

The errata page shows that they are forever responding to possible
problems publically rather than sneakily (or not at all) like some
bigger outfits we could name.

MNSHO,