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Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Tero Koskinen
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 23:31:02 + Jordan Hargrave wrote:
> It looks like there is a bug in the AML on that particular system (the code is
> being called in from the atk0110 driver).
> bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "2105" date 07/23/2010
> bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A785TD-V EVO
> 
> Eventually the AML code tries to execute the following:
> Store (SMBU, Local5)
> While (Not (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))
> {
> Sleep (0x64)
> Store (SMBU, Local5)
> }
> 
> It should be:
> While (LNot (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))
> 
> 
> The first code, the while loop is always true since they are using a bitwise
> Not not a Logical Not.
> 
> So the issue is with that specific system/BIOS/AML.

Thanks for debugging the issue.

Is there a way to see human-readable dump of aml code?
I am wondering if it is safe for me to change Not opcode to equal LNot?

At least, that way the system seems to boot with acpi enabled.

Some other better work-around is also welcome.

dmesg and my acpi/aml modifications below:
OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC.MP) #8: Fri Mar 18 06:52:57 EET 2011
tkoskine@toga.local:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 3487105024 (3325MB)
avail mem = 3380256768 (3223MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.5 @ 0x9f400 (68 entries)
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "2105" date 07/23/2010
bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A785TD-V EVO
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC MCFG OEMB SRAT HPET SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices PCE2(S4) PCE3(S4) PCE4(S4) PCE5(S4) PCE6(S4) PCE7(S4) 
PCE9(S4) PCEA(S4) PCEB(S4) PCEC(S4) SBAZ(S4) PS2M(S4) PS2K(S4) UAR1(S4) 
P0PC(S4) UHC1(S4) UHC2(S4) UHC3(S4) USB4(S4) UHC5(S4) UHC6(S4) UHC7(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 32 bits
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor, 3415.69 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 
16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
cpu0: apic clock running at 200MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor, 3415.23 MHz
cpu1: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 
16-way L2 cache
cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu1: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor)
cpu2: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor, 3415.23 MHz
cpu2: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu2: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 
16-way L2 cache
cpu2: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu2: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor)
cpu3: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor, 3415.23 MHz
cpu3: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,MWAIT,CX16,POPCNT,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu3: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 512KB 64b/line 
16-way L2 cache
cpu3: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 16 4MB entries fully associative
cpu3: DTLB 48 4KB entries fully associative, 48 4MB entries fully associative
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 4 pa 0xfec0, version 21, 24 pins
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318180 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P1)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 1 (PCE2)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE3)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus 2 (PCE4)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE5)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE6)
acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE7)
acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus -1 (PCE9)
acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus 3 (PCEA)
acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus 4 (P0PC)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu2 at acpi0: PSS
acpicpu3 at acpi0: PSS
aibs0 at acpi0: RTMP RVLT RFAN GGRP GITM SITM
acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "AMD RS780 Host" rev 0x00
ppb0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "AMD RS780 PCIE" rev 0x00: apic 4 int 18 (irq 10)
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 "ATI Radeon HD 4890" rev 0x00
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25,

bge - man page - 4.8 - incorrect diagnostics list?

2011-03-17 Thread richardtoohey
Hi, guys.

I'm learning about PCI and started looking at the bge driver.

I grepped on an error message that I found in the bge man page to find the bge
source file, but grep didn't find it in if_bge.c, but did find it in lge.c.

Is the man page incorrect for bge, or have I missed something (cluesticks, 
please!)?

If it is incorrect, I'll give a go at making a patch, but just assuming at this
point that I've missed something.

bge man snippet ...

DIAGNOSTICS
 (1) bge%d: can't find mem space  A fatal initialization error has occurred.

 (2) bge%d: couldn't map interrupt  A fatal initialization error has 
occurred.

 (3) bge%d: no memory for jumbo buffer queue!  The driver failed to allocate
 memory for jumbo frames during initialization.

 (4) bge%d: watchdog timeout  The device has stopped responding to the
 network, or there is a problem with the network connection (cable).

The numbers in parenthesis are mine, for reference.

I can see (1) and (2) in the source code, but not (3).  (4) is close but not the
same - "watchdog timeout -- resetting" - in the bge source.

I'm looking at 4.8 release with patches, /usr/src/sys/dev/pci/if_bge.c (but same
list is online for 4.9)

It seems to be exactly the same diagnostics list as for lge, but I can find all
those messages in the lge source.

# grep printf if_bge.c
#define DPRINTF(x)  do { if (bgedebug) printf x; } while (0)
#define DPRINTFN(n,x)   do { if (bgedebug >= (n)) printf x; } while (0)
printf("%s: nvram read timed out\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: eeprom read timed out\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: PHY read timed out\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: PHY read timed out\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: unable to create dmamap for slot %d\n",
printf("%s: unable to create dmamap for slot %d\n",
printf("%s: can't alloc txdmamap_pool_entry\n",
printf("%s: buffer manager failed to start\n",
printf("%s: flow-through queue init failed\n",
printf("%s: host coalescing engine failed to idle\n",
(1)printf(": can't find mem space\n");
(2)printf(": couldn't map interrupt\n");
printf(", ");
printf("unknown ASIC (0x%x)", sc->bge_chipid);
printf("%s (0x%x)", br->br_name, sc->bge_chipid);
printf(": failed to read station address\n");
printf(": can't alloc rx buffers\n");
printf(": can't map dma buffers (%lu bytes)\n",
printf(": can't create dma map\n");
printf(": failed to read media type\n");
printf(": couldn't establish interrupt");
printf(" at %s", intrstr);
printf("\n");
printf(": %s, address %s\n", intrstr,
ether_sprintf(sc->arpcom.ac_enaddr));
printf("%s: no PHY found!\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: reset timed out\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: firmware handshake timed out\n",
printf("%s: initialization failure\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);
printf("%s: 5705 A0 chip failed to load RX ring\n",
(4)printf("%s: watchdog timeout -- resetting\n", sc->bge_dev.dv_xname);

# grep printf if_lge.c
#define DPRINTF(x)  if (lgedebug) printf x
#define DPRINTFN(n,x)   if (lgedebug >= (n)) printf x
printf("%s: EEPROM read timed out\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: PHY read timed out\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: PHY write timed out\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: reset never completed\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: chip is in D%d power mode "
printf(": can't map i/o space\n");
(1)printf(": can't map mem space\n");
(2)printf(": couldn't map interrupt\n");
printf(": couldn't establish interrupt");
printf(" at %s", intrstr);
printf("\n");
printf(": %s", intrstr);
printf(", address %s\n", ether_sprintf(eaddr));
printf("%s: can't alloc rx buffers\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: can't map dma buffers (%d bytes)\n",
printf("%s: can't create dma map\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: jumbo buffer allocation failed\n",
printf("%s: no PHY found!\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: can't alloc rx buffers\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: can't map dma buffers (%d bytes)\n",
printf("%s: can't create dma map\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
printf("%s: can't load dma map\n", sc->sc_dv.dv_xname);
(3)

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Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Fasil Alemante (falem...@princeton.edu)
No. Before that.

- Original Message -
From: marc 
Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: Choosing a window manager...
To: Kevin Chadwick 
Cc: misc@openbsd.org

> > If there's a beginning to time then what started it or what made 
> what> started time. What made what made dark matter.
> 
> are you talking about the console? :)



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Re: OpenBSD Europe

2011-03-17 Thread Hugo Osvaldo Barrera
On 03/16/2011 02:11 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert wrote:
> On 16 March 2011 13:03, Theo de Raadt  wrote:
>> OpenBSD Europe, which is run by Liam Foy in Manchester, is also
>> now ready for pre-orders!
>>
>>
> 
> I bought from openbsdeurope last time and I'm buying again.
> They're great and also ship to South America, no extra taxes, so if
> you are in SA, thats probably your best shot.
> 

Could you be more specific; what country are you in?
I really would hate to have to pay customs, last time they said "we'll
let it pass for just $6 *this time*". (I'm in Argentina).
Suck to be here, BTW.

-- 
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Sent using my PC



Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2011-03-15, Bret Lambert  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Kevin Smith  wrote:
>>> I'm deciding between kde, xfce, gnome, and fluxbox (in order of
>>> preference). Any experiences? Any relevant security issues on any of them?
>>>
>>
>> What you're asking is akin to:
>>
>> "Hey everyone, I'm trying to decide between:
>>  Catholicism, Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism.
>>
>> What's the best?"
>
> Obviously, the answer is Zoroastrianism. Ahura Mazda bless you all.

No, Discordianism it is.


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Re: build userland broken due to recent installboot commits?

2011-03-17 Thread Philip Guenther
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Amit Kulkarni  wrote:
> /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c: In function
> 'findopenbsd':
> /usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:260: error:
> 'DOS_MAXEBR' undeclared (first use in this function)

Your checkout/update was from between when that file was changed and
the corresponding change to sys/sys/disklabel.h was committed.  (Or
you didn't follow the build process.)  Update and try again.


Philip Guenther



Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Scott McEachern

 On 03/17/11 19:31, Jordan Hargrave wrote:

It looks like there is a bug in the AML on that particular system (the code is
being called in from the atk0110 driver).
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "2105" date 07/23/2010
bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A785TD-V EVO

Eventually the AML code tries to execute the following:
 Store (SMBU, Local5)
 While (Not (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))
 {
 Sleep (0x64)
 Store (SMBU, Local5)
 }

It should be:
 While (LNot (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))


The first code, the while loop is always true since they are using a bitwise
Not not a Logical Not.

So the issue is with that specific system/BIOS/AML.



If anyone has any patches they want tested, I'm more than happy to do so 
for both i386 and amd64. :)




Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Jordan Hargrave
Try disabling the atk0110 driver and see if that lets your system boot
successfully.



Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Jordan Hargrave
It looks like there is a bug in the AML on that particular system (the code is
being called in from the atk0110 driver).
bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version "2105" date 07/23/2010
bios0: ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A785TD-V EVO

Eventually the AML code tries to execute the following:
Store (SMBU, Local5)
While (Not (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))
{
Sleep (0x64)
Store (SMBU, Local5)
}

It should be:
While (LNot (LEqual (And (Local5, 0x02), Zero)))


The first code, the while loop is always true since they are using a bitwise
Not not a Logical Not.

So the issue is with that specific system/BIOS/AML.



Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Scott McEachern

 On 03/17/11 18:22, Stuart Henderson wrote:


Modern machines *expect* to have the acpi code running, acpi controls
many aspects of the system including some methods to maintain correct
system temperature.



Absolutely.  Which is why this box, (once it has completed some build 
tasks for other machines), will be running -current in the hope that 
acpi works some day soon.  Either that, or I have to use FreeBSD until 
5.0 (and hope acpi works then), and I'm not too keen on that idea. ;)




Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-03-17, Scott McEachern  wrote:
>   On 03/16/11 10:54, Tero Koskinen wrote:
>> I have exactly same motherboard with Phenom II X4. For me, it helps
>> when I disable acpi. ("boot -c"&  "disable acpi" during the boot)
>>
>
> You know, I'd absolutely *swear* I tried that to no avail, but trying it 
> again, I can get it to boot.
>
> I have a funny feeling I went too quickly before and typed "disable 
> ahci" by accident.
>
> With acpi disabled for the test install of both 4.8-release and -current 
> it didn't see all six cores and installed bsd.sp as bsd.  After fixing 
> that manually it sees all cores.
>
> Now I'll try a full install on the desired HDD, build the system from 
> scratch and see how that goes.  If it works, I'll post a dmesg in a 
> bit.  So far, it looks like everything will be fine but it does indicate 
> there are still issues in the ACPI code.  But hey, at least it seems to 
> work and is a lot better than a kernel hang and not having OpenBSD at 
> all! :)

Modern machines *expect* to have the acpi code running, acpi controls
many aspects of the system including some methods to maintain correct
system temperature.



build userland broken due to recent installboot commits?

2011-03-17 Thread Amit Kulkarni
I did do a rm -rf /usr/obj/*

/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c: In function
'findopenbsd':
/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:260: error:
'DOS_MAXEBR' undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:260: error:
(Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:260: error:
for each function it appears in.)
*** Error code 1

Same thing in i386

# find . -name "*.*" | xargs grep DOS_MAX
./sys/arch/amd64/stand/libsa/biosdev.c: int error, i, maxebr =
DOS_MAXEBR, nextebr;
./sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:   int
 i, maxebr = DOS_MAXEBR, nextebr;
./sys/arch/amd64/stand/installboot/installboot.c:
 DOS_MAXEBR);
./sys/arch/i386/stand/installboot/installboot.c:int
 i, maxebr = DOS_MAXEBR, nextebr;
./sys/arch/i386/stand/installboot/installboot.c:
 DOS_MAXEBR);
./sys/arch/i386/stand/libsa/biosdev.c:  int error, i, maxebr =
DOS_MAXEBR, nextebr;



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Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread marc
> If there's a beginning to time then what started it or what made what
> started time. What made what made dark matter.

are you talking about the console? :)



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Re: bandwidth problem

2011-03-17 Thread R0me0 ***
Hello Stuart !

Thank very much !

With iperf , Now i can see what exactly I would want see

I had forgotten the disk write factor. :)

I'm doing some tunning's

Thank to all that help me

Cheers,

Guilherme Hakme

2011/3/17 Stuart Henderson 

> On 2011-03-17, R0me0 ***  wrote:
> > Interesting Rick, I will do tests setting auto on ubiquity,
>
> It doesn't make a difference to speed whether you use auto or
> full-duplex, as long as the ports at both sides of a wire are set
> the same way. Generally I recommend leaving things set to auto
> (note: don't change duplex settings remotely unless you have a
> clear plan of what you're doing, why, and which order to change
> things. :-)
>
> > My doubt ...
> > Why windows vista on both sides have speed up to 10mb/s when a do an
> > download ? ( I put 2 windows boxes with smb )
> > if I set auto on both sides ( on openbsd boxes ) the speed is 1.8mb/s and
> if
> > I set 100baseTX ( Half ) the speed is the same
>
> These are pretty dissimilar tests and it's not clear how you measure
> the speed, there could even just be a confusion between Mb/s and MB/s
> (1.8MB/s = 14.4Mb/s).
>
> How about a simpler test where you change fewer variables (and don't
> involve the speed of disks on the machines)? Maybe run iperf on both
> OpenBSD and Windows, then you're doing the same test on both OS,
> and can test OpenBSD->Windows, Windows->OpenBSD, Windows->Windows,
> OpenBSD->OpenBSD.
>
>
> > 2011/3/16 Rick Ballard 
> >> The Ubiquity is likely an unmanaged device
>
> oh, they're quite smart actually. *like* :)



Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread roberth
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:32:50 +0300
Krutov Mikle  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 02:50:50PM -0400, marc wrote:
> > 
> > I'm deciding between kde, xfce, gnome, and fluxbox (in order of
> > preference). Any experiences? Any relevant security issues on any
> > of them?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Marc
> > 
> Hello, list!
> Just for my information:
> I can not even imagine 'security issue' in _window_manager_ (not the
> whole desktop environment).
> Could anyone provide me an example?

# man -k aperture



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Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 12:23:36 -0400
Fasil Alemante (falem...@princeton.edu) wrote:

> There should be at least one evangelist.

Fuck off ya gay




Only kidding...

...yeah that's too polite for a stereotype evangelist


Still kidding



Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Fasil Alemante (falem...@princeton.edu)
There should be at least one evangelist.

- Original Message -
From: Kevin Chadwick 
Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:05 am
Subject: Re: Choosing a window manager...
To: misc@openbsd.org

> If you want security use something with a smaller code base or no xorg
> at all (switch off the x aperture with sysctl), if you want features,
> use your choice of kde.
> 
> > I've always found it important to believe in something.  I'm of 
> the belief that I'm always right and everyone else is wrong.  It 
> helps me get through the day. ;)
> 
> A contradiction
> 
> scientists rarely believe in magic and also rarely believe in God.
> 
> Now the big bang has finally been seen as a rediculous starting point
> for the multiverse, maybe this will change. Whatever the theory,
> something has to have been magicked up or created to start with.
> Following a religion to the letter is where the problems are. If God
> exists, then he understands complexity.



Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> More northern than the North Pole :: Earlier in time than the
> beginning of time itself

We can always measure north more accurately by whatever parameters we
define.

If there's a beginning to time then what started it or what made what
started time. What made what made dark matter. The paradox is never
ending and in my mind means there must be an ultimate creator. Of
course, what made God(s) and what made heavenly light matter.

But lets not dwell on that untill we get there ;-)



Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Krutov Mikle
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 02:50:50PM -0400, marc wrote:
> 
> I'm deciding between kde, xfce, gnome, and fluxbox (in order of
> preference). Any experiences? Any relevant security issues on any of them?
> 
> Thanks,
> Marc
> 
Hello, list!
Just for my information:
I can not even imagine 'security issue' in _window_manager_ (not the whole 
desktop environment).
Could anyone provide me an example?

--
With best regards, Mikle Krutov, Bercut ltd. VA$I engeneer. 



Re: MSA110UP 3g modem on OpenBSD 4.8

2011-03-17 Thread Sergio Charpinel Jr.
Thanks David and Stuart.

I couldn't make it work using David's method, but It worked using this
ppp.conf:
default:
 set log CHAT

tim:
 set device /dev/ttyU3
 set login "\"!chat -f /etc/ppp/peers/tim.chat\""
 set speed 460800
 set phone "*99***1#"
 set authname "tim"
 set authkey "tim"
 set timeout 120
 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
 #add default HISADDR
 disable ipv6cp

I think the problem was the authentication. I tried to add user tim, and
configure pap-secrets and chat-secrets, but it continued not to work.
Anyway, the problem is solved now, thank yoy guys.

Cheers.

2011/3/16 Sergio Charpinel Jr. 

> 2011/3/16 David Coppa 
>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Stuart Henderson 
>> wrote:
>> > you can try turning off various settings by adding things like these:
>> >
>> > deflate 0
>> > refuse-pap
>> > refuse-chap
>> > noauth
>> > noccp
>> > novj
>> > novjccomp
>> > nopcomp
>> >
>> > some 3g cards don't work well with these. sometimes you also
>> > have to adjust the proposed IP addresses. (note that the PPP session
>> > is with the 3g device and not the mobile network, so if you search
>> > for examples, search for other people using same/similar *devices*
>> > rather than specifically people on the same network).
>>
>
> Setting this parameters did not work as well.
>
>
>>
>> Btw, are you sure it's cuaU3 and not cuaU2 ??
>>
>> cheers
>> david
>>
>
>
> Yes, just cuaU3 and cuaU1 accept commands via cu.
> Also tried with cuaU1, but it did not work.
>
> --
> Sergio Roberto Charpinel Jr.
>



-- 
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(4.8) Missing pkg.conf in "see also" manual for pkg_add

2011-03-17 Thread Patrick Lamaiziere
Hello,

Just noticed that pkg.conf(5) is missing in the "see also" section
of pkg_add(1) and friends.

Regards.



Re: amd64/i386 kernel freezes on Asus M4A785TD-V EVO mobo

2011-03-17 Thread Scott McEachern

 On 03/16/11 10:54, Tero Koskinen wrote:

I have exactly same motherboard with Phenom II X4. For me, it helps
when I disable acpi. ("boot -c"&  "disable acpi" during the boot)



You know, I'd absolutely *swear* I tried that to no avail, but trying it 
again, I can get it to boot.


I have a funny feeling I went too quickly before and typed "disable 
ahci" by accident.


With acpi disabled for the test install of both 4.8-release and -current 
it didn't see all six cores and installed bsd.sp as bsd.  After fixing 
that manually it sees all cores.


Now I'll try a full install on the desired HDD, build the system from 
scratch and see how that goes.  If it works, I'll post a dmesg in a 
bit.  So far, it looks like everything will be fine but it does indicate 
there are still issues in the ACPI code.  But hey, at least it seems to 
work and is a lot better than a kernel hang and not having OpenBSD at 
all! :)


- Scott



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Re: Choosing a window manager...

2011-03-17 Thread Kevin Chadwick
If you want security use something with a smaller code base or no xorg
at all (switch off the x aperture with sysctl), if you want features,
use your choice of kde.

> I've always found it important to believe in something.  I'm of the belief 
> that I'm always right and everyone else is wrong.  It helps me get through 
> the day. ;)

A contradiction

scientists rarely believe in magic and also rarely believe in God.

Now the big bang has finally been seen as a rediculous starting point
for the multiverse, maybe this will change. Whatever the theory,
something has to have been magicked up or created to start with.
Following a religion to the letter is where the problems are. If God
exists, then he understands complexity.



Re: OpenBSD Europe

2011-03-17 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:03:47AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:
| OpenBSD Europe, which is run by Liam Foy in Manchester, is also
| now ready for pre-orders!

Now also including hoodies!

Thanks, Liam!

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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Re: bandwidth problem

2011-03-17 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-03-17, R0me0 ***  wrote:
> Interesting Rick, I will do tests setting auto on ubiquity,

It doesn't make a difference to speed whether you use auto or
full-duplex, as long as the ports at both sides of a wire are set
the same way. Generally I recommend leaving things set to auto
(note: don't change duplex settings remotely unless you have a
clear plan of what you're doing, why, and which order to change
things. :-)

> My doubt ...
> Why windows vista on both sides have speed up to 10mb/s when a do an
> download ? ( I put 2 windows boxes with smb )
> if I set auto on both sides ( on openbsd boxes ) the speed is 1.8mb/s and if
> I set 100baseTX ( Half ) the speed is the same

These are pretty dissimilar tests and it's not clear how you measure
the speed, there could even just be a confusion between Mb/s and MB/s
(1.8MB/s = 14.4Mb/s).

How about a simpler test where you change fewer variables (and don't
involve the speed of disks on the machines)? Maybe run iperf on both
OpenBSD and Windows, then you're doing the same test on both OS,
and can test OpenBSD->Windows, Windows->OpenBSD, Windows->Windows,
OpenBSD->OpenBSD.


> 2011/3/16 Rick Ballard 
>> The Ubiquity is likely an unmanaged device

oh, they're quite smart actually. *like* :)



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