Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Joel Carnat
Le 31 mai 2011 ` 00:15, Paul de Weerd a icrit : On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:44:29PM +0200, Joel Carnat wrote: | Hi, | | I am running a personal Mail+Web system on a Core2Duo 2GHz using Speedstep. | It is mostly doing nothing but still has a high load average. Wait, what ? ~1 is 'a high load

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Tony Abernethy
Joel Carnat wrote well, compared to my previous box, running NetBSD/xen, the same services and showing about 0.3-0.6 of load ; I thought a load of 1.21 was quite much. Different systems will agree on the spelling of the word load. That is about as much agreement as you can expect. Does the

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Joel Carnat
Le 31 mai 2011 ` 02:19, Gonzalo L. R. a icrit : Take a look of this http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20090715034920 I found this article before posting. But one thing that didn't convinced me is that, if I shutdown apmd and configure hw.setperf=100, the load drops down to 0.30-0.20.

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Tony Abernethy
Joel Carnat wrote: But one thing that didn't convinced me is that, if I shutdown apmd and configure hw.setperf=100, the load drops down to 0.30-0.20. I don't get how A high load is just that: high. It means you have a lot of processes that sometimes run. can show load variation depending on CPU

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Joel Carnat
Le 31 mai 2011 ` 08:10, Tony Abernethy a icrit : Joel Carnat wrote well, compared to my previous box, running NetBSD/xen, the same services and showing about 0.3-0.6 of load ; I thought a load of 1.21 was quite much. Different systems will agree on the spelling of the word load. That is

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Francois Pussault
Hi all, load is not realy a cpu usage %. In facts it is sum of many % (cpu real load, memory, buffers, etc...) that explain why load can up over 5.0 for each cpu without any crash or freeze of the host. we should consider load as a host ressources %... this is not real of course but this is more

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Francois Pussault fpussa...@contactoffice.fr wrote: load is not realy a cpu usage %. In facts it is sum of many % (cpu real load, memory, buffers, etc...) that explain why load can up over 5.0 for each cpu without any crash or freeze of the host. we should

How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Sioutis
Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup some folders and want to exclude some and nth will work. I've tried: --exclude=/folder/ --exclude=/folder/ --exclude /folder --exclude folder I will get an error: --exclude... directory doesn't

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread LEVAI Daniel
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:42:24 +0300, Michael Sioutis wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup some folders and want to exclude some and nth will work. I've tried: --exclude=/folder/ --exclude=/folder/ --exclude /folder

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Aaron Mason
Hi Mike Try something like this: tar -cvf backup.tar $(ls / | grep -v -e 'tmp' -e 'boot') On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Michael Sioutis papito@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup some folders and want to

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Marian Hettwer
On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:53:58 +0200, LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:42:24 +0300, Michael Sioutis wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup some folders and want to exclude some and nth will work.

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Jeremie Courreges-Anglas
Le 31/05/2011 11:23, Marian Hettwer a C)crit : On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:53:58 +0200, LEVAI Daniell...@ecentrum.hu wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:42:24 +0300, Michael Sioutis wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup some folders

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Sean Kamath
On May 31, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Francois Pussault fpussa...@contactoffice.fr wrote: load is not realy a cpu usage %. In facts it is sum of many % (cpu real load, memory, buffers, etc...) that explain why load can up over 5.0

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de wrote: bsdtar from the FreeBSD project supports --exclude too. The OP could as well install gnu tar from packages. bsdtar doens't seem to exist... bsdtar is available as part of the archivers/libarchive port. -- Christian naddy Weisgerber

vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Marc Espie
People not following development too closely may not be aware of it, but we've had a lot of fun with amd64 recently. Specifically, Ariane committed a new vmmap implementation that tends to actually use the 64 bits address space, in userland. She even has some more nasty diff that does its best

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Francois Pussault
So it is why I mentioned it is not real but a user-land approach of it can be understood. From: Sean Kamath kam...@geekoids.com Sent: Tue May 31 11:07:46 CEST 2011 To: Misc OpenBSD misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: I don't get where the load comes from

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Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Marian Hettwer
On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:39:41 +0200, Jeremie Courreges-Anglas ktulu+m...@wxcvbn.org wrote: Le 31/05/2011 11:23, Marian Hettwer a C)crit : That is a GNU extension. You can work this around with find(1) and the tar(1)'s '-I' option. Also tar cf /foo.tar /bar/!(folder|other_folder) using plain

Fw: Nova cotacao...

2011-05-31 Thread Suzana Cordeiro
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Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2011-05-31, Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:53:58 +0200, LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:42:24 +0300, Michael Sioutis wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am trying to backup

Re: I don't get where the load comes from

2011-05-31 Thread Artur Grabowski
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Francois Pussault fpussa...@contactoffice.fr wrote: Hi all, load is not realy a cpu usage %. In facts it is sum of many % (cpu real load, memory, buffers, etc...) No, it isn't. we should consider load as a host ressources %... No, we shouldn't. The load

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Marian Hettwer
On Tue, 31 May 2011 12:39:15 + (UTC), Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2011-05-31, Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de wrote: bsdtar from the FreeBSD project supports --exclude too. The OP could as well install gnu tar from packages. bsdtar doens't seem to exist... At least

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de wrote: You are right. One should rely on posix standards. Well, the POSIX archiver utility is pax(1). The combination of find(1) and pax(1) also lends itself to excluding directories. Talking about BSD specifics. I really like the possibility on my FreeBSD

Seems OpenBSD isn't absolutely alone in it's quest, atleast on embedded systems.

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/working-towards-bug-free-secure-software/5560?tag=nl.e036

OT Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 31 May 2011, Jeremie Courreges-Anglas wrote: SNIP Le 31/05/2011 11:23, Marian Hettwer a C)crit : bsdtar from the FreeBSD project supports --exclude too. The OP could as well install gnu tar from packages. bsdtar doens't seem to exist... At least that's what I do at work (Debian,

Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:23:16AM +0200, Marian Hettwer wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 10:53:58 +0200, LEVAI Daniel l...@ecentrum.hu wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:42:24 +0300, Michael Sioutis wrote: Hello! I can't find it in the man page, and it seems it is not supported (?) I am

Asking whether or not to start X.org at boot time

2011-05-31 Thread annathemermaid
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have changed /etc/rc to ask me at boot time whether I want to start xdm, gdm, or a console. (Adding kdm presumably wouldn't be too hard.) This is because OpenBSD/powerpc apparently does not support multiple wsdisplays, hence it is not possible to

Re: Seems OpenBSD isn't absolutely alone in it's quest, atleast on embedded systems.

2011-05-31 Thread Erik
Op 31-5-2011 17:51, Kevin Chadwick schreef: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/working-towards-bug-free-secure-software/5560?tag=nl.e036 Actually they go full steps further. They have produced a formally verified OS kernel, was in the news august 13, 2009:

Re: Seems OpenBSD isn't absolutely alone in it's quest, atleast on embedded systems.

2011-05-31 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 05:36:17PM +0200, Erik wrote: | Op 31-5-2011 17:51, Kevin Chadwick schreef: | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/working-towards-bug-free-secure-software/5560?tag=nl.e036 | | Actually they go full steps further. They have produced a formally | verified OS kernel,

Re: Seems OpenBSD isn't absolutely alone in it's quest, atleast on embedded systems.

2011-05-31 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 06:02:39PM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 05:36:17PM +0200, Erik wrote: | Op 31-5-2011 17:51, Kevin Chadwick schreef: | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/working-towards-bug-free-secure-software/5560?tag=nl.e036 | | Actually they go

Re: Seems OpenBSD isn't absolutely alone in it's quest, atleast on embedded systems.

2011-05-31 Thread Amit Kulkarni
Besides that, they use formal proof tools, which are probably much more complex than the code thay are trying to verify and thus have bugs of their own. While formal proofs have their utility (by some accident I studied with Peter van Emde Boas. The above famous quote comes from a letter by

Relayd.conf -- Default closing of connection

2011-05-31 Thread Andrew Klettke
Hello, In the default relayd.conf, we have, in the httpssl protocol, the directive `header change Connection to close`. What about relayd makes this desirable (why close connections when we can reuse them or let them time out?), and what are the consequences of NOT having this directive?

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Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: Not surprisingly, a lot of software that claims to be 64 bits-ready isn't. This touches all web navigators, most jit engines, and probably lots more of software (our ports tree version of gnu-grep, for instance). I don't think a lot suffers from it, but some

Relayd server response header all browsers tried behave strange except firefox

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Hi, all If you use: 'response header change Server to Whatever here' in relayd.conf or even put the option but set it like Apache does to Apache. Firefox works fine however chrome and Opera only load a small amount of the page. All is transmitted by relayd. IE8 says navigation cancelled. The

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 07:23:46PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Marc Espie es...@nerim.net wrote: Not surprisingly, a lot of software that claims to be 64 bits-ready isn't. This touches all web navigators, most jit engines, and probably lots more of software (our ports tree version

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:51:40 +0200 Otto Moerbeek wrote: basically rewriting the memory management part of the OS in your browser. Do some browsers do this on OpenBSD?

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 08:58:29PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:51:40 +0200 Otto Moerbeek wrote: basically rewriting the memory management part of the OS in your browser. Do some browsers do this on OpenBSD? webkit tries to do this. -Otto

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
basically rewriting the memory management part of the OS in your browser. Do some browsers do this on OpenBSD? Of course they do, otherwise they wouldn't run at all. google for MAP_32BIT. Once you've read enough to get sick to your stomach, please realize that this is just the tip of the

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Amit Kulkarni
basically rewriting the memory management part of the OS in your browser. Do some browsers do this on OpenBSD? Of course they do, otherwise they wouldn't run at all. google for MAP_32BIT. Once you've read enough to get sick to your stomach, please realize that this is just the tip of

OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Eric Furman
On Tue, 31 May 2011 13:43 +0200, Marian Hettwer m...@kernel32.de wrote: On Tue, 31 May 2011 11:39:41 +0200, Jeremie Courreges-Anglas ktulu+m...@wxcvbn.org wrote: Le 31/05/2011 11:23, Marian Hettwer a C)crit : That is a GNU extension. You can work this around with find(1) and the tar(1)'s

Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Abel Abraham Camarillo Ojeda
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: Better to have your script detect which OS it's running on and take appropriate action. Sure, that's why autoconf is state of art.

Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread gilbert . fernandes
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 05:05:55PM -0400, Eric Furman wrote: And what do you do when you are not in charge of the box you need your script to run on? You write a script that uses a statically compiled binary, the one you need. There is a tool to create a .sh script that will contain the binary

Battery monitoring does not work properly

2011-05-31 Thread jeanfrancois
Hello, I have seen the battery monitoring working properly after starting apmd however it just disappeared and I'm not able to make it work again, it results in Battery state: absent, 0% remaining, unknown life estimate Any idea how to make it properly work ? Thanks. OpenBSD 4.9 (GENERIC.MP)

Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 31 May 2011 23:33:22 +0200 gilbert.fernan...@orange.fr wrote: (make sure where it is somewhere it can run) if there is such a writable place!

Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread gilbert . fernandes
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:05:18PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: if there is such a writable place! Yes. When I tried to make such a script, that contained a static binary, finding such a place was almost a nightmare. In the end, the admin of the foreign server took pity of me and installed

TRESOR - Runs Encryption Securely Outside RAM

2011-05-31 Thread Ivan Nudzik
Hi, Just idea: http://www1.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/tresor/ Should be interesting for OpenBSD kernel too. Of course if not already there in some form. I.

Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread patrick keshishian
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:29 PM, gilbert.fernan...@orange.fr wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:05:18PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: if there is such a writable place! Yes. When I tried to make such a script, that contained a static binary, finding such a place was almost a nightmare. In

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Ariane van der Steldt
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:28:11PM -0500, Amit Kulkarni wrote: basically rewriting the memory management part of the OS in your browser. Do some browsers do this on OpenBSD? Googles v8 javascript engine has Pages, Spaces, Heaps and Pagination logic. It even has its own code to map files

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
Googles v8 javascript engine has Pages, Spaces, Heaps and Pagination logic. It even has its own code to map files in. However, the managed to avoid the common pitfall of requiring all platforms to have 4 kB pages: they hardcoded to 8 kB instead. And for those who don't know, OpenBSD has some

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Re: OT:Re: How do I exclude a directory using tar in OpenBSD?

2011-05-31 Thread gilbert . fernandes
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 04:11:16PM -0700, patrick keshishian wrote: fucking amateurs. if you ran windows you wouldn't have this problem. Last time I did ran into a window, it did hurt, quite a bit. The window did broke, but I left around a lot of blood and it was messy. Somewhat. Why the

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Corey
On 05/31/2011 06:26 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Googles v8 javascript engine has Pages, Spaces, Heaps and Pagination logic. It even has its own code to map files in. However, the managed to avoid the common pitfall of requiring all platforms to have 4 kB pages: they hardcoded to 8 kB instead. And

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Damien Miller
On Wed, 1 Jun 2011, Ariane van der Steldt wrote: The recent trend of forking another process for a tab instead of a monolithic single process for the whole browser is a way of extending the time required to clean up this mess? Or there is no relation between them? I cannot look into

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Ted Unangst
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote: data in unused bits in a pointer? Even I know that's a bad idea. Is it really that important to run your Javascript 2% faster? The difference is quite a bit more than 2%. The technique is sound, imo, but it seems the

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote: data in unused bits in a pointer? Even I know that's a bad idea. Is it really that important to run your Javascript 2% faster? The difference is quite a bit more than 2%. The technique is sound, imo, but it seems the

Re: vmmap: bad software everywhere

2011-05-31 Thread bofh
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Corey clinge...@gmail.com wrote: data in unused bits in a pointer? Even I know that's a bad idea. Is it really that important to run your Javascript 2% faster? The difference is

Obsolescence engineering (was: vmmap: bad software everywhere)

2011-05-31 Thread annathemermaid
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