Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links.
Re: Squid not working for connections from ssh-tunnel
It seems the version of squid in ports for 5.2 doesn't support SSL or doesn't support it the same way. What changed? The errors: 2013/03/16 00:33:30| The request CONNECT bitomat.pl:443 is DENIED, because it matched 'Safe_ports' 2013/03/16 00:33:30| The reply for CONNECT bitomat.pl:443 is ALLOWED, because it matched 'Safe_ports' It only started doing this after I upgraded from 5.1 to 5.2 and rebuilt squid in ports. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.orgwrote: On 2013-03-15, John Tate j...@johntate.org wrote: I have a server I use to serve a squid proxy only accessible via ssh tunnel, which has worked fine for over a year. I upgraded from OpenBSD 5.1 to OpenBSD 5.2 and I've also rebuilt squid in ports. It has stopped working for ssh tunnel connections. It works for the elinks browser, but both should be from localhost and be no different as far as I know. I get these errors in the log: [15/Mar/2013:04:01:40 -0700] elijah.secusrvr.com mail.google.comCONNECT mail.google.com:443 HTTP/1.1 403 1323 - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.22 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/25.0.1364.172 Safari/537.22 TCP_DENIED:NONE iirc TCP_DENIED/403 is due to acl, try following this about getting some more logging: http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SquidAcl#I_set_up_my_access_controls.2C_but_they_don.27t_work.21__why.3F localhost can be all sorts of things: 127.0.0.1, ::1, or even some other address, depending on what's set in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts. -- www.johntate.org
Client-side font rendering system - from FAQ
I've added some fonts using pkg_add(1). Having looked at and read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/truetype.html, in the section Client Side Font Rendering, it says that fints added as a package from the ports collection are registered automatically. Does this include when fonts are added using pkg_add(1) or only when compiled from the ports tree? Because i've added fonts using pkg_add(1), i'm unsure if I need to register them or not. Could someone confirm this? Thanks for your time, Jamie -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net [A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38]
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
[- Fri 15.Mar'13 at 23:59:28 -0600 Austin Hook :-] Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. That link did not work when I tried it just now. How much would this book cost? Any chance of a student discount ;-) ? I like to buy a copy but if it's going to be more 20 quid, I wouldn't be able to. -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net jmzgriffin at gmail.com A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Client-side font rendering system - from FAQ
as of msttcorefonts-2.0p0 the package does not override /etc/fonts/conf.d/31-nonmst.conf that's the one glaring exception i can think of (there are also old bmp fonts that install outside default paths, but i've no idea if such packages exist) On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:40 AM, James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.net wrote: I've added some fonts using pkg_add(1). Having looked at and read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/truetype.html, in the section Client Side Font Rendering, it says that fints added as a package from the ports collection are registered automatically. Does this include when fonts are added using pkg_add(1) or only when compiled from the ports tree? Because i've added fonts using pkg_add(1), i'm unsure if I need to register them or not. Could someone confirm this? Thanks for your time, Jamie -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net [A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38]
Re: Why to use packages?
[- Sat 16.Mar'13 at 12:36:35 +0400 Alexander Nusov :-] Hello, I'm trying to get why to use binary packages if they are not updated? For example, this package confuses me: lighttpd ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.2/packages/amd64/ lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap-mysql.tgz339 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap.tgz335 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-mysql.tgz337 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0.tgz But now the latest version is 1.4.32 because of vulnerability fix November, 21 (One important denial of service (in 1.4.31) fix: CVE-2012-5533.) I've found that packages, as opposed to building ports, work and function much better as they've been tested to do so and it makes like much easier. I've got loads of different things installed as packages and i've had no problem with any of them. I've had no need, except for the msttcorefonts, to build any port. They are are easier to maintain and update as well and also if you choose to delete them they are easy to get rid of. I do use current snapshots and my PKG_PATH is set to the snapshots' packages which I believe are fairly up-to-date. i.e PKG_PATH=ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64/ . I've just looked at the snapshots packages on that mirror and the version of your package is lighttpd-1.4.32p1.tgz So by following current, and the current packages you will get the up-to-date versions. -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net jmzgriffin at gmail.com A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Why to use packages?
Who do you trust? OBSD and the maintainer of that package or the lighttpd upstream maintainers? I'm sure it is being looked at. Please use another OS that is more dedicated to security if this overly concerns you. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013, at 04:36 AM, Alexander Nusov wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get why to use binary packages if they are not updated? For example, this package confuses me: lighttpd ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.2/packages/amd64/ lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap-mysql.tgz339 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap.tgz335 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-mysql.tgz337 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0.tgz But now the latest version is 1.4.32 because of vulnerability fix November, 21 (One important denial of service (in 1.4.31) fix: CVE-2012-5533.)
Re: Why to use packages?
Le Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:36:35 +0400, Alexander Nusov alexander.nu...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello, I'm trying to get why to use binary packages if they are not updated? I don't see any reason to use packages too (IMHO). For example, this package confuses me: lighttpd ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.2/packages/amd64/ lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap-mysql.tgz339 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap.tgz335 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-mysql.tgz337 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0.tgz It was updated in the stable port tree (but there are no package available). You can build your own packages from it and deploy them. Regards.
Re: Why to use packages?
Got it, thanks! As far I understood one reason to use packages is bootstrapping? So install packages first then update all needed software from ports? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere patf...@davenulle.org wrote: Le Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:36:35 +0400, Alexander Nusov alexander.nu...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello, I'm trying to get why to use binary packages if they are not updated? I don't see any reason to use packages too (IMHO). For example, this package confuses me: lighttpd ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.2/packages/amd64/ lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap-mysql.tgz339 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap.tgz335 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-mysql.tgz337 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0.tgz It was updated in the stable port tree (but there are no package available). You can build your own packages from it and deploy them. Regards.
Re: Why to use packages?
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 03:59:59PM +0400, Alexander Nusov wrote: Got it, thanks! As far I understood one reason to use packages is bootstrapping? So install packages first then update all needed software from ports? a) Packages are built on correct versions of software. So 5.2 packages work on 5.2. *MANY* people incorrectly try to build -current ports on -stable or -relase. This does not work. And if using ports was recommended there would be even more such carping. b) Building from ports means building a *LOT* of build dependencies. Like extra compilers. These are not needed when you just install packages. e.g. just building my normal set of packages (because I always have experimental system and X diffs to test on top of -current) takes 12 hours on an 8xi7 8GB amd64. c) Building from ports means the developers do not know what you did, what your environment looked like, etc. So bug reports are much harder to deal with. If you want to run the latest versions of 3rd party software you must keep your systems at -current and either use the latest built packages or keep rebuilding your ports. Ken On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Patrick Lamaiziere patf...@davenulle.org wrote: Le Sat, 16 Mar 2013 12:36:35 +0400, Alexander Nusov alexander.nu...@gmail.com a ?crit : Hello, I'm trying to get why to use binary packages if they are not updated? I don't see any reason to use packages too (IMHO). For example, this package confuses me: lighttpd ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/5.2/packages/amd64/ lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap-mysql.tgz339 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-ldap.tgz335 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0-mysql.tgz337 kB31.07.12 0:00:00 lighttpd-1.4.31p0.tgz It was updated in the stable port tree (but there are no package available). You can build your own packages from it and deploy them. Regards.
Re: Why to use packages?
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 03:59:59PM +0400, Alexander Nusov wrote: Got it, thanks! As far I understood one reason to use packages is bootstrapping? So install packages first then update all needed software from ports? [...] Since packages are built from ports, that effort is nil. The only halfway sane reason I can think of not to use packages but ports is being to lazy to upgrade from an old -CURRENT snapshot to a newer one. For the security-conscient, that should not be an issue, because you are always running -CURRENT or -STABLE anyway. -- Gregor Best
Re: Client-side font rendering system - from FAQ
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 04:07, Andres Perera wrote: as of msttcorefonts-2.0p0 the package does not override /etc/fonts/conf.d/31-nonmst.conf that's the one glaring exception i can think of The part about server-side rendering is kind of an exception. A new font will show up in chrome or firefox right away, but xterm won't be able to find it until you run xset +fp. At least that was my experience. Because i've added fonts using pkg_add(1), i'm unsure if I need to register them or not. Could someone confirm this? Internally, the ports tree builds a package and installs that. The final result of pkg_add will never be different than building the port, except you'll have more disk space free. :)
Re: Client-side font rendering system - from FAQ
[- Sat 16.Mar'13 at 9:35:46 -0400 Ted Unangst :-] The part about server-side rendering is kind of an exception. A new font will show up in chrome or firefox right away, but xterm won't be able to find it until you run xset +fp. At least that was my experience. Yes, I did run xset + fp so that should have sorted it out. Having said that, the only way I can get all Unicode characters to display, namely in my MUA which is mutt, is by leaving the xterm font to the default. Even if I set to a larger size, like 7x14 for example, the characters don't display properly. I have got urxvt installed which works fine but I don't see why I can't get xterm to do the same thing. I've tried lots of options in my .Xdefaults file. It doesn't matter now as I can read the small font fine. Internally, the ports tree builds a package and installs that. The final result of pkg_add will never be different than building the port, except you'll have more disk space free. :) It was just the explanation on the FAQ page I referred to that I found a bit ambiguous; it suggested, to me at least, that building the font from a port would set up the fonts automatically but pkg_add(1) would not. Just my dumb interpretation of that description I guess. Thanks for taking the time to reply -- to both of you. Jamie -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net jmzgriffin at gmail.com A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Squid not working for connections from ssh-tunnel
On 2013/03/16 18:40, John Tate wrote: It seems the version of squid in ports for 5.2 doesn't support SSL or doesn't support it the same way. What changed? The errors: 2013/03/16 00:33:30| The request CONNECT bitomat.pl:443 is DENIED, because it matched 'Safe_ports' 2013/03/16 00:33:30| The reply for CONNECT bitomat.pl:443 is ALLOWED, because it matched 'Safe_ports' This is slightly confusing but afaik is normal behaviour when something is rejected; first it indicates the the *request* was rejected, then that the *reply* (i.e. the access denied response) was allowed. Still it gives a clue that the problem is with Safe_ports: -- -- -- acl Safe_ports port 21 80 acl SSL_ports port 443 ... http_access deny !Safe_ports http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports ... acl lan src 127.0.0.1 http_access allow localhost http_access allow lan -- -- -- ...so you deny ANY requests unless the dest port is 21/80. ...then you deny CONNECT requests except for port 443 - but this is never reached because you already denied any request other than to 21/80. so you just need to fix Safe_ports. It only started doing this after I upgraded from 5.1 to 5.2 and rebuilt squid in ports. I don't see how this config can have worked with 5.1 either. In any event there were no substantial changes in the Squid port between 5.1 (2.7.STABLE9p15) and 5.2 (2.7.STABLE9p19), just readme tweaks and ports infrastructure changes. (There are bigger changes in 5.3 which has a choice of squid 2.7 and squid 3.2 - generally 3.2 is preferred though it doesn't build on some arch so 2.7 is kept around for now).
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
https://www.michaelwlucas.com/nonfiction/absolute-openbsd-2nd-edition On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:34 AM, James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.netwrote: [- Fri 15.Mar'13 at 23:59:28 -0600 Austin Hook :-] Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. That link did not work when I tried it just now. How much would this book cost? Any chance of a student discount ;-) ? I like to buy a copy but if it's going to be more 20 quid, I wouldn't be able to. -- James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net jmzgriffin at gmail.com A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Client-side font rendering system - from FAQ
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 02:06:57PM +, James Griffin wrote: Yes, I did run xset + fp so that should have sorted it out. Having said that, the only way I can get all Unicode characters to display, namely in my MUA which is mutt, is by leaving the xterm font to the default. Even if I set to a larger size, like 7x14 for example, the characters don't display properly. Here is what I did for unicode chars in .Xdefaults: UXTerm*font: -adobe-courier-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-* I found this using xfontsel, and running uxterm instead of xterm. Now, i can see all chars for various languages in mutt. -- James Griffin:jmz at kontrol.kode5.net jmzgriffin at gmail.com A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. That link did not work when I tried it just now. How much would this book cost? Any chance of a student discount ;-) ? I like to buy a copy but if it's going to be more 20 quid, I wouldn't be able to. Sorry, should be http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#book10
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
On 16/03/2013 05:59, Austin Hook wrote: Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. I see that amazon in the UK are offering it for £39 delivered http://www.amazon.co.uk/Absolute-OpenBSD-Practical-Paranoid-Edition/dp/1593274769
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:59:28PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote: Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. Excellent, Austin! Glad you got them. Linked from the book page. And thanks for the plug. Before anyone asks: I don't really care where you buy it. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlu...@michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e coupon code ILUVMICHAEL gets you 30% off helps me.
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
I got mine ordered today, when do you think it will ship from NoStarch Press? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Michael W. Lucas mwlu...@blackhelicopters.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:59:28PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote: Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. Excellent, Austin! Glad you got them. Linked from the book page. And thanks for the plug. Before anyone asks: I don't really care where you buy it. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlu...@michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e coupon code ILUVMICHAEL gets you 30% off helps me.
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
I ordered mine yesterday too. :D On Mar 17, 2013 8:38 AM, Brandon Tanner thelette...@gmail.com wrote: I got mine ordered today, when do you think it will ship from NoStarch Press? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Michael W. Lucas mwlu...@blackhelicopters.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:59:28PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote: Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. Excellent, Austin! Glad you got them. Linked from the book page. And thanks for the plug. Before anyone asks: I don't really care where you buy it. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlu...@michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e coupon code ILUVMICHAEL gets you 30% off helps me.
Re: Absolute OpenBSD 2nd Edition pre-orders are up.
Just order today! Best regards. On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Pablo Velasco Fernández warlock...@gmail.com wrote: I ordered mine yesterday too. :D On Mar 17, 2013 8:38 AM, Brandon Tanner thelette...@gmail.com wrote: I got mine ordered today, when do you think it will ship from NoStarch Press? On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Michael W. Lucas mwlu...@blackhelicopters.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:59:28PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote: Pre-orders for the 2nd Edition of Michael Lucas' Absolute OpenBSD are now up on the main order website. Expected to arrive about the same time we start shipping pre-orders for OpenBSD 5.3. Pre-orders for the latter will show up pretty soon as well. No special early discount, but the difference does go to support the project. Or, if you need to pinch those pennies (before they are discontinued), take the early order path suggested by Michael's website, rather than through the big online monopoly. He gets a bit more that way. You thought you knew all there is to learn in an introductory book to OpenBSD? You might be surprised. A reference when you need it, and worth a skim even just to see how OpenBSD has evolved over the last 10 years, if you have the original volume. http://www.openbsd.org/books.html#B10 And follow the links. Excellent, Austin! Glad you got them. Linked from the book page. And thanks for the plug. Before anyone asks: I don't really care where you buy it. ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlu...@michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ Latest book: Absolute OpenBSD 2/e - http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd2e coupon code ILUVMICHAEL gets you 30% off helps me. -- Francisco Valladolid H. -- http://blog.bsdguy.net - Jesus Christ follower.
