ulpt vs kernel relinking

2019-05-09 Thread Thuban
Hi, I have a printer that require ulpt to be disabled as mentionned in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readmes/cups. And it works. # config -fe /bsd disable ulpt quit After a reboot, I can notice : reorder_kernel: kernel relinking failed; see

Re: ulpt vs kernel relinking

2019-05-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
config -e is incompatible with the KARL relinking sequence. For now, we consider KARL more valuable than config -e usage patterns. We've thought about this but for now we don't have a clever solution to solve this. Thuban wrote: > Hi, > I have a printer that require ulpt to be disabled > as

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
>On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: >> Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. > >Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the >CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can >someone find

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Peter J. Philipp
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: > Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can someone find out why

Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively

2019-05-09 Thread Rozhuk Ivan
On Thu, 09 May 2019 18:03:04 + ossobser...@redchan.it wrote: > Background: Apparently a FreeBSD developer, a viking looking fellow, > has been hiding a secret: just as many of his predecessors in the > Danish cities during WWII (collaborators); He has a disdain for "the > jews"

Re: Thinkpad A285 mouse issues

2019-05-09 Thread Jonathan Gray
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 04:17:40PM +0100, Oriol Demaria wrote: > I have this laptop and I'm having issues with this laptop. Wireless has to > be replaced and basically have to wait till the graphics card is properly > supported, right now is running X with the UEFI framebuffer. So this issues >

Re: Thinkpad A285 mouse issues

2019-05-09 Thread Ulf Brosziewski
Could you please post a dmesg and your xorg.conf, and be a bit more specific about your observations? Does the problem only affect the touchpad, or all wsmouse devices? Does it occur regularly, always, sometimes? Does the mouse pointer just freeze, or is there random movement, or sluggish

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Christopher Turkel
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:55 PM Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > On May 9, 2019 2:45 PM, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > > Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. > > Maybe just attach a second delorian to the first. > > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On May 9, 2019 2:45 PM, Henry Bonath wrote: > > Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. Maybe just attach a second delorian to the first. > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn > wrote: > > > > > > On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May

Re: single user question

2019-05-09 Thread Troy Martin
James Huddle on Thursday, May 9, 2019 9:22 AM: > Is anyone running in single-user mode regularly? > Is anyone running a web server, for instance, in single-user mode? This reads a lot like one of those questions where someone asks how to do a specific thing in a very specific way with a very

Re: post-6.5-upgrade bgpd(8) problem

2019-05-09 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 10:58:54AM -0500, Adam Thompson wrote: > I've upgraded my looking glass from 6.4 to 6.5, and an experiencing an > unexpected problem - routes learned from one (iBGP) peer are not being > automatically exported to other (eBGP) peers. > > I did not change /etc/bgpd.conf, but

Re: post-6.5-upgrade bgpd(8) problem

2019-05-09 Thread Adam Thompson
On 2019-05-09 13:53, Sebastian Benoit wrote: bgpctl sh rib neigh out for all neighbors. All empty. Also look at bgpctl sh rib best Completely empty. if any routes are actually selected - maybe the "nexthop qualify via default" isnt working. I see two things... 1) when run as "bgpd

Re: single user question

2019-05-09 Thread Misc User
On 5/9/2019 9:21 AM, James Huddle wrote: If the following questions trigger a sense of road rage, you may safely assume they are not directed to you. Is anyone running in single-user mode regularly? Is anyone running a web server, for instance, in single-user mode? Many thanks in advance.

Re: samba : snapshots of 6.5

2019-05-09 Thread Tuyosi T
I think that the microsoft will continue to change its network system in order not to be invaded by free UNIX . If so, the pursuit of samba will be painful . But it is only a personal imagination

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Henry Bonath
Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > > On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux

Re: user unable to log in xenodm / Xorg session | XIO fatal io error 35

2019-05-09 Thread Ian Sutton
On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 7:53 PM wrote: > > SYMPTOM: Soon after a fresh OpenBSD install intended to use as a > laptop / work engine, and consequently a few uses of a graphical > session, suddenly the X session cannot start anymore : logging > in with a correct user/passwd pair provokes a crash and

Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively

2019-05-09 Thread Igor Mozolevsky
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 19:07, wrote: > > Background: Apparently a FreeBSD developer, a viking looking fellow, > has been hiding a secret: just as many of his predecessors in the Danish > cities during WWII (collaborators); He has a disdain for "the jews" > collectively. Freedom of expression

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release.  Not all the machines > > were able to fit into

Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively

2019-05-09 Thread chohag
Enji Cooper writes: > Please leave this discussion on Twitter instead of flooding these mailing > lists. Linux/ > OpenBSD should not be exposed to this unnecessary drama, and FreeBSD-CURRENT > is the wro > ng mailing list for this (try freebsd-chat@ if you are so inclined). So you thought, why

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Christopher Turkel
You get free shipping with any flux capacitor ‘ On Thursday, May 9, 2019, Paul Suh wrote: > On May 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux

Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively

2019-05-09 Thread Enji Cooper
> On May 9, 2019, at 11:03 AM, ossobser...@redchan.it wrote: This is the only reply I’m going to give to this thread that seems like obvious troll bait. As a native English speaker who often gets into debates about controversial issues with respect to concepts like classism, LGBTIQ issues,

Re: post-6.5-upgrade bgpd(8) problem

2019-05-09 Thread Sebastian Benoit
Hi, Adam Thompson(athom...@athompso.net) on 2019.05.09 10:58:54 -0500: > I've upgraded my looking glass from 6.4 to 6.5, and an experiencing an > unexpected problem - routes learned from one (iBGP) peer are not being > automatically exported to other (eBGP) peers. > > I did not change

Re: single user question

2019-05-09 Thread chohag
James Huddle writes: > If the following questions trigger a sense of road rage, you may > safely assume they are not directed to you. > > Is anyone running in single-user mode regularly? I regularly boot things into single user mode to fix something or otherwise engage in acts which could be

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 12:52:18PM +0300, Mihai Popescu wrote: Still wondering what "great desktop experience" means ... Bullshit, that's what it means. In nearly 20 years on mailing lists and on the internet, I don't remember to have ever seen anyone asking such a stupid question like the

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Paul Suh
On May 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, >> after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines >> were able to fit into

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread danieljboyd
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > Come on Theo, everybody knows that

single user question

2019-05-09 Thread James Huddle
If the following questions trigger a sense of road rage, you may safely assume they are not directed to you. Is anyone running in single-user mode regularly? Is anyone running a web server, for instance, in single-user mode? Many thanks in advance. Shields up. -Jim

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Joachim Roos
Well, as far as I remember the flux capacitor runs on plutonium...Be cautious, Theo ... ;-)Joe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Mai 2019 um 16:55 Uhr Von: "Theo de Raadt" An: "Christian Weisgerber" Cc: misc@openbsd.org Betreff: Re: 6.5 PowerPC PackagesChristian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2019-05-09,

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > I figured that was the case, I suppose I was a little afraid that they > weren't coming! Each release, XY.html (so 65.html now) has a paragraph Many pre-built packages for each architecture: listing the architectures and the respective package count. If

post-6.5-upgrade bgpd(8) problem

2019-05-09 Thread Adam Thompson
I've upgraded my looking glass from 6.4 to 6.5, and an experiencing an unexpected problem - routes learned from one (iBGP) peer are not being automatically exported to other (eBGP) peers. I did not change /etc/bgpd.conf, but behaviour seems to have changed nonetheless. The upgrade from 6.4

Re: Double nat with pf ?

2019-05-09 Thread Chris Cappuccio
Mik J [mikyde...@yahoo.fr] wrote: > Hello, > Is it possible to nat both source and destination IP on the same openbsd pf > instance aka double nat ? > If yes do someone has an example of it ? are you trying to do "hairpin" NAT? what are you trying to accomplish?

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Allan Streib
Andrew Luke Nesbit writes: > I am a user of Apple PowerBook G4, POWER8, and POWER9. I am new to > OpenBSD and I intend to experiment with it on these architectures. Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9

Thinkpad A285 mouse issues

2019-05-09 Thread Oriol Demaria
I have this laptop and I'm having issues with this laptop. Wireless has to be replaced and basically have to wait till the graphics card is properly supported, right now is running X with the UEFI framebuffer. So this issues are expected. But I'm having a very annoying bug on X. The mouse

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Henry Bonath
That's good to know, thank you for sharing how the process works. My initial question was more of a curiosity than anything else. It's 100% understandable that these things take time, especially on older hardware. The early release of 6.5 was a nice surprise for sure! Thanks again! On Thu, May 9,

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Noth
On 09/05/2019 16:45, Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Janne Johansson
Den tors 9 maj 2019 kl 16:49 skrev Andrew Luke Nesbit < em...@andrewnesbit.org>: > > Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look > > like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. > > I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2019 May 09 (Thu) at 15:45:54 +0100 (+0100), Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: :On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: :> Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look :> like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. : :I wonder what is the best way to

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > > out in the mirrors. > > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > out in the mirrors. The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, and the packages will be

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit
On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: > Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look > like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD to work on POWER8/9? My first thought is

free with zero size on macppc

2019-05-09 Thread Jan Stary
This is 6.5-current on an old Mac Mini (7447A), full dmesg below. During the boot-up sequence, the kernel says: uhidev0 at uhub3 port 1 configuration 1 interface 0 "Logitech USB Keyboard" rev 1.10/64.00 addr 2 free with zero size: (127) Starting stack trace...

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Henry Bonath
I figured that was the case, I suppose I was a little afraid that they weren't coming! On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:35 AM Tom Smyth wrote: > > Hi Henry, > > it takes a while to build all the packages on PowerPC ... IIRC > so it will take a while AFAIK > > Thanks > > On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 14:34,

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Matthew Graybosch
On Thu, May 9, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > out in the mirrors. I've got a 2003 lamp-style iMac that runs the macppc port of OpenBSD -CURRENT. It

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit
On 09/05/2019 14:26, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users What exactly do you mean by PowerPC? I am a user of Apple PowerBook G4, POWER8, and POWER9. I am new to OpenBSD and I intend to experiment with it on these architectures. Andrew -- OpenPGP key:

Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Henry, it takes a while to build all the packages on PowerPC ... IIRC so it will take a while AFAIK Thanks On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 14:34, Henry Bonath wrote: > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see

6.5 PowerPC Packages

2019-05-09 Thread Henry Bonath
I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those out in the mirrors. I also suppose in the same vein, I could be learning how to pull the ports tree and build what I need that way :-) Thanks!

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Patrick Harper
Aren't new users forced to use fvwm already since that's the default? Removing the options won't stop those inclined from finding one they like in packages (unless alt. DEs and WMs are set to be culled from ports as well O_O). However, there is an opportunity for all GUI ports to include a

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Charles
@ Steve > One point I didn't see in RFC's post is stability. When I used OpenBSD > back in 2010, subjectively it seemed more stable, more consistent, and > less surprising than any Linux I'd ever used (and of course than any > Windows I'd ever used). If my computer were just for web browsing,

Re: Upgrade procedure encrypted filesystem (6.4 -> 6.5)

2019-05-09 Thread shadrock uhuru
On 5/9/19 11:56 AM, cho...@jtan.com wrote: > shadrock uhuru writes: >> i've got a couple of follow up queries concerning post upgrade things todo. >> >> --- -dbus-1.12.10p0v0 --- >> Remember to update /etc/machine-id >> how do i update machine_id, i didn't find any man pages to

Re: Upgrade procedure encrypted filesystem (6.4 -> 6.5)

2019-05-09 Thread chohag
shadrock uhuru writes: > i've got a couple of follow up queries concerning post upgrade things todo. > > --- -dbus-1.12.10p0v0 --- > Remember to update /etc/machine-id > how do i update machine_id, i didn't find any man pages to explain ? Ignore it. Nothing bad will happen. It's a

Re: Upgrade procedure encrypted filesystem (6.4 -> 6.5)

2019-05-09 Thread shadrock uhuru
On 5/7/19 9:16 PM, Omar Polo wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 02:04:03AM +0100, shadrock uhuru wrote: >> >> On 5/6/19 8:18 PM, Omar Polo wrote: >>> On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 07:46:53PM +0100, shadrock uhuru wrote: hi everyone when upgrading my laptop which is encrypted with a keydisk

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Mihai Popescu
> ... we should choose *ONE* window manager and delete all the others, and > force people into a > single working model There is no need to be so cruel. You can release OpenBSD like hosting plans: free, basic, advanced and pro. You can rename them differently, like Home, Enterprise, Business,

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Craig Skinner
On Wed, 8 May 2019 00:23:09 +0200 ropers wrote: > Tangentially related: Does anyone here routinely use the default fvwm? Yep - daily. Cheers, -- Craig Skinner | http://linkd.in/yGqkv7

Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?

2019-05-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
Steve Litt wrote: > > However I don't think shipping a > > different WM/DE is going to help. > > Back in 2010 or thereabouts, when I used OpenBSD on a laptop > regularly, OpenBSD offered a bunch of WM/DE's in its package manager. > That's a wonderful thing, because different people have

Re: Is siteXX.tgz working in snapshots?

2019-05-09 Thread Anton Lindqvist
On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 09:20:30PM -0700, Greg Steuck wrote: > I have a script[1] which I run when "things change" to keep openbsd > syzbot current. Something changed between Apr 2 and now that made my > install procedure no longer execute install.site which I pack into > siteXX.tgz. I checked