Re: I see you guys are full of shit when it comes to one thing:

2020-04-14 Thread zap
Also, by all means, please do ban me if you want. I really couldn't care less.  you guys need to get off your own pedestal. On 04/15/20 01:25, zap wrote: > you  think proprietary softwatre is secure as much as linux loves being > shit.  > > > I had hoped you guys had better self respect, and had

I see you guys are full of shit when it comes to one thing:

2020-04-14 Thread zap
you  think proprietary softwatre is secure as much as linux loves being shit.  I had hoped you guys had better self respect, and had some moral integrity within.  And if you think i sound sad for dissing GNU, I was going to hold this back, but your fucking attitudes are shit as are your

Re: passive-aggressive questions

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Nothing you are saying has any relevance to the use of OpenBSD. The chatter is useless. Stop it. zap wrote: > > > I think theo is about the same as Linus in how foul he can get... > > but on the other hand, he at least doesn't wreck his software with > pointless things like redhat's crap,

Re: passive-aggressive questions

2020-04-14 Thread j3s
On 4/14/20 11:02 PM, zap wrote: I'll be honest, i like libre software, but, libre software that is insecure, aka redhat's bs, openssl, java, etc... is barely better than proprietary software. this is crap. unix philosphy should have been kept in linux.  Because it wasn't, well... Linux and

Re: passive-aggressive questions

2020-04-14 Thread zap
I think theo is about the same as Linus in how foul he can get... but on the other hand, he at least doesn't wreck his software with pointless things like redhat's crap, systemd for example, he  seems to prefer the keep it simple stupid approach from what I have seen. I much prefer security

Re: Reduce attack surface - Tomcat and guacamole...

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Williams
On 14/04/2020 4:13 p.m., Sriram Narayanan wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 6:03 AM, Steve Williams > wrote: Hi, For a R project, I am trying to get guacamole working to be able to access systems on my home network remotely. Guacamole

Re: Reduce attack surface - Tomcat and guacamole...

2020-04-14 Thread infoomatic
some questions do arise: 1.) is the device which you intend to use under your control? 2.) how would you like to access systems in your home network as for me I have a VPN service on my server so I can access all my systems from a device I own when I am on the road. This saves me from

Switchable graphics intel/ati - Fatal error during GPU init

2020-04-14 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi! My HP laptop has switchable graphics. When I first installed OpenBSD some releases ago, I had to disable in BIOS or it would freeze as soon as X started and showed a pointer. Now, I thought, let's try again.: so many things improved! Now, even during boot when I reach console, in dmesg I

Re: Switchable graphics intel/ati - Fatal error during GPU init

2020-04-14 Thread Hemno Sapients
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:24:39AM +0200, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi! > > My HP laptop has switchable graphics. When I first installed OpenBSD > some releases ago, I had to disable in BIOS or it would freeze as soon > as X started and showed a pointer. > > Now, I thought, let's try again.: so

Re: Reduce attack surface - Tomcat and guacamole...

2020-04-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 6:03 AM, Steve Williams < st...@williamsitconsulting.com> wrote: > Hi, > > For a R project, I am trying to get guacamole working to be able to > access systems on my home network remotely. > > Guacamole (I believe) needs to run under something like tomcat to serve > up the

RE: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zeurkous
theo wrote: > What do thsi have to with OpenBSD? Drat. Someone discovered The Homoheterothropic Society for the Intermezzanic! Mesupposes we'll have to disband. --zeur. -- Friggin' Machines!

Re: Reduce attack surface - Tomcat and guacamole...

2020-04-14 Thread Allan Streib
If you want it available only to remote hosts with an ssh session, why not tunnel the tomcat port over the ssh connection? Steve Williams writes: > Hi, > > For a R project, I am trying to get guacamole working to be able to > access systems on my home network remotely. > > Guacamole (I

passive-aggressive questions (was: RE: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?)

2020-04-14 Thread zeurkous
theo wrote: > What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Alright, let's talk about leadership. Do you folks think Linus is a better leader than Theo here? There, OpenBSD angle restored. (Yes, medoes wish that discussion about lunix et al. be toned down. Even so, mealso wishes that the

Reduce attack surface - Tomcat and guacamole...

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Williams
Hi, For a R project, I am trying to get guacamole working to be able to access systems on my home network remotely. Guacamole (I believe) needs to run under something like tomcat to serve up the java war file & application. I really don't want to have Tomcat exposed to the Internet without

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? zap wrote: > > > > On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? > > > > > Probably it has nothing to do with OpenBSD, since they are no longer > talking about wine for OpenBSD.  > > But yeah, I for

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What do thsi have to with OpenBSD? zap wrote: > Well just to correct myself, seeming libre. It isn't actually that much > more libre than OpenBSD. > > > On 04/14/2020 05:54 PM, zap wrote: > > > > On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> What the hell does this have to do with

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zap
Well just to correct myself, seeming libre. It isn't actually that much more libre than OpenBSD. On 04/14/2020 05:54 PM, zap wrote: > > On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? >> >> > Probably it has nothing to do with OpenBSD, since they

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zap
On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? > > Probably it has nothing to do with OpenBSD, since they are no longer talking about wine for OpenBSD.  But yeah, I for one am glad you take up the K.I.S.S way of doing things. Linux is a beast

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:38:00 +0300 > Consus wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > > last I checked, systemd was not modular, was poorly documented, > > > exhibited incompatibilities with

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:38:00 +0300 Consus wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > last I checked, systemd was not modular, was poorly documented, > > exhibited incompatibilities with basically all historical > > interfaces, and had introduced a variety of

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? i...@aulix.com wrote: > There are IMHO a few of good systemD free Linux distros: > Devuan - Debian without systemD > Parabola - Arch without systemD > > Alpine unfortunately lacks verification of checksums of earlier installed > files. > >

Re: Running gunicorn with rcctl

2020-04-14 Thread Daniel Winters
> have u put anything in rc.conf.local ? Have a look at rc.d(8) for how this works, there are examples also. No need for webapp_flags in /etc/rc.conf.local if you are happy with the defaults already defined in the rc.d script, but you can override the default values with an entry in

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:15:20PM -0400, Daniel Jakots wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:05:56 -0400, Raul Miller > wrote: > > > Got any good docs on how to debug (or monitor) D-Bus issues? > > You're asking help to debug D-Bus on an OpenBSD mailing list? Why don't > you bring this sooo

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:05:56 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > Got any good docs on how to debug (or monitor) D-Bus issues? You're asking help to debug D-Bus on an OpenBSD mailing list? Why don't you bring this sooo interesting discussion off-list?

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:05:56PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:38 PM Consus wrote: > > It is modular to a degree, but separating services requires a bit of > > work so yeah, in this area systemd sucks. Documentation is pretty good > > though. I don't like the complexity

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:38 PM Consus wrote: > It is modular to a degree, but separating services requires a bit of > work so yeah, in this area systemd sucks. Documentation is pretty good > though. I don't like the complexity of the thing, but I've never been > stuck because there is not

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS @DEC: Slackware in the beginning, then > > Debian until the forced

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread info
There are IMHO a few of good systemD free Linux distros: Devuan - Debian without systemD Parabola - Arch without systemD Alpine unfortunately lacks verification of checksums of earlier installed files. Like wajig integrity (debsums) in Devuan. More info about verification:

Re: Running gunicorn with rcclt

2020-04-14 Thread Flipchan
have u put anything in rc.conf.local ? Thanks On April 14, 2020 7:25:05 PM GMT+02:00, Daniel Winters wrote: >>> Hey, im trying to run a python app with gunicon-3 and rcctl >>> but rcctl start guni just returns ok as it was started and doesnt >start >>> it. what am i doing wrong? Thanks > >I

Re: Running gunicorn with rcclt

2020-04-14 Thread Daniel Winters
>> Hey, im trying to run a python app with gunicon-3 and rcctl >> but rcctl start guni just returns ok as it was started and doesnt start >> it. what am i doing wrong? Thanks I am successfully running a flask apps (named "webapp" as an example) with gunicorn using the following /etc/rc.d/webapp

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS @DEC: Slackware in the beginning, then > Debian until the forced introduction of systemd and the rest of the crap > being

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread David Demelier
Le 14/04/2020 à 17:10, Oddmund G. a écrit : Linux is doomed. Closer 'integration' of systemd, pulseaudio, wayland Wayland isn't that bad. It solves many things by reducing the display complexity and is much faster than X.Org. The real problem is by being simple; many compositors (~= window

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raymond, David
Amen to all that. Arch Linux worked for me for many years, but the Arch philosophy of adopting bleeding edge software has become increasingly difficult to deal with, given the corporate takeover of Linux. Started out with BSD in the early days, moved to Slackware, Debian, and then Arch. Finally

Re: WLAN throughput less 10Mb/s

2020-04-14 Thread Mario Theodoridis
On 14.04.2020 10:21, Stefan Sperling wrote: Hmm, using media autoselect mode 11a mediaopt hostap nwid foo wpaprotos wpa2 wpakey mysecret up Brings the inteface up alright, but i don't see any 5 or 2.4 GHz signal with a Wifi analyzer nor can i connect. The 'nwid' and 'wpakey' options should

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Oddmund G.
Le 14/04/2020 à 15:49, Ottavio Caruso a écrit : On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 12:06, Oddmund G. wrote: Since the ongoing corporate takeover of GNU+Linux, GNU, whether we like them or not, have not been and will not be taken over by "corporate", as long as Stallman is alive. As for Linux, it is not

GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Ottavio Caruso
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 12:06, Oddmund G. wrote: > Since the ongoing corporate takeover of GNU+Linux, GNU, whether we like them or not, have not been and will not be taken over by "corporate", as long as Stallman is alive. As for Linux, it is not an OS but just a kernel. The only distros that

Re: Running gunicorn with rcclt

2020-04-14 Thread Flipchan
More debug data: sh -x /etc/rc.d/guni check ... + eval _rctimeout=${guni_timeout} + _rctimeout= + getcap -f /etc/login.conf testuser + > /dev/null + 2>&1 + daemon_class=daemon + [ -z ] + daemon_rtable=0 + [ -z ] + daemon_user=root + [ -z 60 ] + [ -n -o check != start ] + [ X-c

Running gunicorn with rcclt

2020-04-14 Thread Flipchan
Hey, im trying to run a python app with gunicon-3 and rcctl computer# cat /etc/rc.conf.local httpd_flags= guni_flags="-c /home/testuser/stuff/main.ini -D flaskapp:app" guni_user=testuser pkg_scripts=tor computer# cat /etc/rc.d/guni #!/bin/ksh # # $OpenBSD: Exp $

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Oddmund G.
Le 11/04/2020 à 14:25, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen a écrit 11. apr. 2020 kl. 12:15 skrev Nikita Stepanov : Wine for OpenBSD? Oh, OpenBSD goes well with most kinds of wine, just don’t overdo it. Same with beer, liquors as always. All the best, — Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first

Re: WLAN throughput less 10Mb/s

2020-04-14 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:37:24AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On 2020-04-14 09:21, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > Regarding other chipsets, if you want the fastest possible AP on OpenBSD > > your best option right now is to get a bwfm(4) device, which offloads almost > > all of its 802.11

Re: WLAN throughput less 10Mb/s

2020-04-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 2020-04-14 09:21, Stefan Sperling wrote: > Regarding other chipsets, if you want the fastest possible AP on OpenBSD > your best option right now is to get a bwfm(4) device, which offloads almost > all of its 802.11 operation into a firmware blob running in the embedded > system on the device.

Re: Will windows 10 boot after installing openBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
You can also install Windows after and boot OpenBSD quite easily by following the faq. This is not easy on grub/Linux as grub is greedy. Atleast the guides that I found for grub/Linux, failed to work. I have no interest in running Linux these days though and little interest then. I had the notion

Re: memmem

2020-04-14 Thread Roderick
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, Florian Obser wrote: I thought so, too. No context, no explanation just a one-liner. I mean the algorithm. It seems there is a lot of hard work to do with string routines. Also the regular expressions in OpenBSD seems to be the inefficient, perhaps historical

Re: WLAN throughput less 10Mb/s

2020-04-14 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 10:42:18PM +0200, Mario Theodoridis wrote: > > Also, athn(4) does not support Tx aggregation yet, and 40 MHz channels are > > not yet suppored either. In practice this means the driver won't be > > noticably > > faster in 11n mode than it is in 11a/g modes. For now, I

Multiple (hybrid) factors for SSH authentication

2020-04-14 Thread info
Hello, Please suggest is it possible or may be planned in the future to allow multiple factors at the same time (a user would choose several of them for a single session): 1) General (non post quantum resistant) elliptical asymmetric SSH key1 in the file system 2) General (non post quantum

Re: memmem

2020-04-14 Thread Florian Obser
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 06:52:21AM +, Roderick wrote: > Is that not a little too primitive? I thought so, too. No context, no explanation just a one-liner. -- I'm not entirely sure you are real.

memmem

2020-04-14 Thread Roderick
https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/lib/libc/string/memmem.c?rev=1.4=text/plain Is that not a little too primitive? Rod.