Re: author emails in manpages

2013-07-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Franco Fichtner wrote on Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 03:42:58PM +0200: On Jul 12, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Jason McIntyre j...@kerhand.co.uk wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 02:04:03PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: Authors' emails in manpages are generally written as .e.g. .An Damien Miller Aq

Re: mdoc(7) -width description

2013-07-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Jérémie Courrèges-Anglas wrote on Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 02:05:48PM +0200: Jan Stary h...@stare.cz writes: The mdoc(7) manpage says about .Bl that The -width and -offset arguments accept scaling widths as described in roff(7) or use the length of the given string. The words

Re: Use .Bx instead of BSD in manpages

2013-08-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Jason McIntyre wrote on Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 09:59:45AM +0059: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:59:13PM +0200, Jan Stary wrote: The diff below replaces the occurences of BSD in the manpages with the .Bx macro where appropriate. (Some might be overkill though.) [...]

Re: make obj failing for -current

2013-12-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Smith wrote on Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:01:30PM -0500: === regress/gnu/egcs/gcc-builtins /bin/sh: cd: /usr/src/regress/gnu/egcs/gcc-builtins - No such file or directory *** Error 1 in regress/gnu/egcs (bsd.subdir.mk:48 'obj') *** Error 1 in regress/gnu (bsd.subdir.mk:48

Re: make obj failing for -current

2013-12-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Smith wrote on Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 02:29:26PM -0500: On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote: cd /usr/src/regress/gnu/egcs/ cvs up -dP As usual, don't forget the -d. Ah... thanks. Guess I need to add that -d to my .cvsrc file. Well, often

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 03:18:39PM -0200: The main issue here is, that, the human brain, although being this wonderful machine, makes a lot of assumptions to fill in the gaps, even when there are *no *gaps to be filled. I don't know if the documentation needs to

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jason, Jason McIntyre wrote on Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:29:24AM +: On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 03:19:36PM -0800, Philip Guenther wrote: On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 3:02 PM, d...@genunix.com d...@genunix.com wrote: Question .. where do I get all the man pages? I have some of them but then

Re: Documentation on rc.conf.local lacks important warning

2014-02-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jason, Jason McIntyre wrote on Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:58:00PM +: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 09:13:43PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Actually, both mandoc and groff would be happy with stuff like .Xr boot_alpha 8/alpha and off the top of my head, i don't see which tools might break

Re: while trying to compile gettext 0.18.3.2 I see questionable messages

2014-02-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, d...@genunix.com wrote on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 08:54:34AM -0500: I am seeing strange and questionable messages while attempting a compile and then test of GNU gettext 0.18.3.2 thus : ../gnulib-lib/.libs/libgettextlib.so: warning: stpcpy() is dangerous GNU crap; don't use it

Re: hey, undeadly WAKE UP

2014-02-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
in a broader sense, and trying to help out other BSDs in addition to DragonFly. Thank you for doing that valuable work! Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze http://www.openbsd.org/ schwa...@openbsd.org http://mdocml.bsd.lv/ schwa...@bsd.lv

Re: while trying to compile gettext 0.18.3.2 I see questionable messages

2014-02-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stuart, Stuart Henderson wrote on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 04:18:20PM +: On 2014-02-23, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote: d...@genunix.com wrote on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 08:54:34AM -0500: I am seeing strange and questionable messages while attempting a compile and then test of GNU

Re: while trying to compile gettext 0.18.3.2 I see questionable messages

2014-02-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Lorenzo, Lorenzo Beretta wrote on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 05:29:54PM +0100: d...@genunix.com wrote on Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 08:54:34AM -0500: ../gnulib-lib/.libs/libgettextlib.so: warning: stpcpy() is dangerous GNU crap; don't use it Yet stpcpy(3) on linux says: CONFORMING TO This

Re: while trying to compile gettext 0.18.3.2 I see questionable messages

2014-02-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Lorenzo, Lorenzo Beretta wrote on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 04:11:17PM +0100: Funny thing is that according to http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.bugs/6277 the bug was reported in 2003, but neither stpcpy(3) nor the info pages seem to mention it -- Well, to be fair, - the

Re: ksh: expr 2147483648 / 2 = -1073741824 expected behavior or bug?

2014-02-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Fabian, Fabian Raetz wrote on Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:59:34PM +0100: while calculating my phys. memory (mb) with the folllowing shellsript i get as a result -424. sysctl -n hw.physmem returns 3849830400 #!/bin/sh phys_mem_bytes=`sysctl -n hw.physmem`

Re: ksh: expr 2147483648 / 2 = -1073741824 expected behavior or bug?

2014-02-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, pae3 wrote on Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 04:52:52PM +0400: on my i386 system: $expr 2147483648 + 0 -2147483648 $sh -c 'echo $((2147483648 + 0))' -2147483648 $bash -c 'echo $((2147483648 + 0))' 2147483648 $zsh -c 'echo $((2147483648 + 0))' 2147483648 bug in ksh? No. Assuming you are

Re: Missing A DNS record for openbsd.org ?

2014-02-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marko, Marko Cupac wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 05:10:13PM +0100: On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:48:13 -0500 Ted Unangst wrote: openbsd.org does not have an A record. This should not affect you. This is strange. I think I was able to access www.openbsd.org via http on openbsd.org as well. No,

Re: prices of cdset in eu

2014-03-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, as you are in Europe, you might also consider this online shop: http://openbsdeurope.com/ It's not associated with the project, but so far worked reliably for me. Shipping to Germany, they charged me 39.75 Pound Sterling including Taxes and shipping for one 5.4 CD, which ended up as

Re: dhclient

2014-03-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Adam, Adam Thompson wrote on Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 03:11:49PM -0500: .Sh SIGNALS While running, .Nm uses a privilege-separation model, so there will be two processes (one with [priv] in its process title and one without), either of which will react to a few different signals: (I can't

Re: antiviruses executable on OpenBSD

2014-04-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jay, Jay Patel wrote on Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 06:55:59PM +0530: Sophos have anti virus too. Yes. However, as far as i know, they never supported OpenBSD-current, but typically only very old, long end-of-live OpenBSD release versions. At some point, they stopped OpenBSD support altogether,

Re: How to apply a patch in OpenBSD?

2014-04-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, ohh, whyyy wrote on Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 07:54:12PM +0200: # cd /root ftp http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/`uname -r`/src.tar.gz tar -xzf /root/src.tar.gz -C /usr/src If you want to patch the kernel, you need sys.tar.gz, too. Yours, Ingo

Re: Find last month abbreviation

2014-04-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, lilit-aibolit wrote on Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 03:24:36PM +0300: $ date --date=last month +%b Mar Time for a little shell golfing? Look, i'll play it nice and even add two blanks for readability. $ date -j +%b $(printf %02d01 $(( ($(date +%m)+11)%12 ))) Mar There is no need to install

Re: Linux Foundation raising money for Core Infrastructure

2014-04-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Frantisek, frantisek holop wrote on Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:20:28PM +0200: please, please openbsd, dont become too popular! If you believe the typical corporate Product Management droids, the current tedu frenzy is more likely to bring us closer to perfection than closer to popularity.

Re: rc.subr(8) capabilities - echo and custom rc_${SUB}

2014-04-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Michal, Michal Lesiak wrote on Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 11:47:00PM +0200: I'm converting a .rc script made by someone a coupe of years ago for the same product I'm currently working on. It's important for this tale as this may mean that this actually worked for some previous versions. I'm

Re: rc.subr(8) capabilities - echo and custom rc_${SUB}

2014-04-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Michal, Michal Lesiak wrote on Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:01:54PM +0200: I know, but I'll never know what ancient versions my users will use, so I'm using a (reasonably) old version to build the package and compile stuff to retain some backwards-compatibility. That's not a good plan at all.

Re: Updating sets

2014-05-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Manuel, Manuel Pages wrote on Wed, May 07, 2014 at 06:51:00PM +0300: Using manuals I have figured out how to follow -current by means of buliding kernel and rebuilding userspace. There is usually no need to do that, unless you want to do bleeding edge base system development and the

Re: Question regarding hearbleed patch (002) for OpenBSD 5.5...

2014-05-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, martinblan...@gmail.com wrote on Sat, May 10, 2014 at 01:17:39AM +: One more quick question. Can somebody post the snippet of source code from the FTP program which is statically linked with libssl? I don't actually know what it looks like and would like to be able to identify it in

Re: Question regarding hearbleed patch (002) for OpenBSD 5.5...

2014-05-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
What is the purpose static linking ftp(1) ? Imagine your system is really badly broken, for example ld.so or libc.so got deleted or broken. Then you can still use the statically linked tools in /bin and /sbin for repairs. But what if you need to fetch more tools or replacement parts over the

Re: opensmtpd

2014-06-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Edgar, Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 09:56:08PM -0500: Is it possible to install the man pages for opensmtpd? No, OpenBSD doesn't support the installation of any kind of man pages. Okokok, just kidding... :-) In OpenBSD-current, the following pages are installed by

Re: opensmtpd

2014-06-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Edgar, Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 10:15:57PM -0500: On 06/19/2014 10:09 PM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 09:56:08PM -0500: Is it possible to install the man pages for opensmtpd? Which ones are you searching for, and what kind

Re: mdoc(7) - .Os on other systems

2014-06-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, adding to what Jason already said... Jan Stary wrote on Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 11:43:57AM +0200: The mandatory .Os macro of an mdoc(7) manpage makes the rendered manpage have OpenBSD Reference Manual at the top center, That is not true. Try mandoc -Ios=FOOBAR

Re: Patch: porters guide chapter 2.2, item no. 23

2014-07-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Edward, i agree the wording was a bit awkward, so i have committed a tweaked version of your patch: - Make it clearer which installation we are talking about, there is text between the description of make fake and this paragraph, and people could otherwise confuse this with make

Re: Patch: porters guide chapter 2.2, item no. 23 (again)

2014-07-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Edward, Edward wrote on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 05:20:56PM +0800: I thought pkg_create(1) is worth mentioning in the porting checklist so that a new porter would know where to find more information on PLIST variables annotations that's useful to the PLIST file. It is indeed strange that

Re: bgpctl manual has duplicate

2014-08-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Denis, Denis Fondras wrote on Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 06:53:07PM +0200: I noticed bgpctl manpage has some duplicate information : Thanks, committed. I removed the first copies though and not the second as you proposed in order to preserve alphabetic ordering. Yours, Ingo ---

Re: PDF FAQ

2014-08-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Adam, Adam Thompson wrote on Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 03:27:46PM -0500: On 14-08-16 01:01 PM, Norman Gray wrote: To do this, I took the HTML versions of the FAQ sections, and normalised them into regular XHTML (which makes them processable into other forms). With that done, it was

Re: error during package installation

2014-08-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Long Wind wrote on Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 07:27:09AM +0800: how to direct ouput by a command to file (so I can report error here) pkg_add nedit t1 doesn't work That only catches standard output, not standard error. Both of the following should work: $ pkg_add nedit t1 21 #

Re: PDF FAQ

2014-08-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Norman Gray wrote on Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:47:41PM +0100: Docbook is a reasonable suggestion, and intended for [...] You may have mistaken me. The only reason i'm involved with docbook2mdoc(1) is that that tool can be used to migrate content *away* from Docbook, and to exploit

Re: minimums for /usr/ports, /usr/xenocara, and /usr/src

2014-08-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Joel, Joel Rees wrote on Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 08:27:23PM +0900: $ date Mon Aug 18 19:09:34 JST 2014 $ sudo cvs -d$CVSROOT co -P ports Unrelated: There is no need to check out the source trees as root. Just chmod -R the whole things to a regular user account (for example your own) and use

Re: Can I turn off sndio?

2014-08-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Worik, Worik Stanton wrote on Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 04:51:39AM +1200: In the general case when editing /etc/rc (via changes in/etc/rc.conf.local) what is the way to set the state of the system daemons without having to reboot? /etc/rc.d/foo stop # or whatever, start after enabling

Re: What to do about wordexp(3)?

2014-08-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Kaashif Hymabaccus wrote on Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 01:09:41PM +0100: I tried to update www/newsbeuter to 2.8, and I thought it would be easy, considering that all of the patches to 2.7 had been merged upstream, so there was no need for any of them. I updated the Makefile and tried to

Re: Inappropriate ioctl for device

2014-08-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote on Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:55:26AM +0300: I'm getting this in my daily security(8) run: Running security(8): tset: standard error: Inappropriate ioctl for device How can I get more details? You might start by showing the information you already have. Unless

Re: minimums for /usr/ports, /usr/xenocara, and /usr/src

2014-08-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Joel, Joel Rees wrote on Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 03:26:58PM +0900: Oh, BTW, the output of the command Ingo suggested, find /usr/ports -name pobj -prune -o -type d -empty -print is empty. Well, your checkout should be fine, then. Pruning directories only starts after the update is

Re: documentation - how can one know if a base command is excluded from an arch?

2014-09-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Justin, Justin Haynes wrote on Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 07:56:33PM -0500: How can one know if a command appearing in the man pages is excluded from the base install of an architecture without extracting base tarball to discover this fact? You got quite some answers to that question. In

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, i don't know about safety critical and have no idea whether what you are saying / trying to do there makes any sense, so i'm snipping that. Replying to your other questions... Matti Karnaattu wrote on Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 04:29:14PM +0300: Is there any centralized static analysis in

Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 02:14:25AM +0300: 1. Is there any preferred way to post diffs? * cvs diff -Nup * send inline in the mail body, not as MIME attachments * if you are already in contact with a particular group of developers who want to review diffs in

Re: daily insecurity says my swap device changed

2014-09-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Scott, Scott Bonds wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 09:38:10AM -0700: My daily insecurity email on one of my boxes says this: Block device changes: brw-r- 1 root operator 0, 1 Aug 16 17:44:40 2014 /dev/wd0b brw-r- 1 root operator 0, 1 Sep 8 18:43:56 2014 /dev/wd0b On all my

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 08:57:30PM +0300: And if I understand correctly, priorities goes like this: simplicity licensing purity correctness completeness Most definitely not. That's more than just a bit misleading. None of these can be put into an

Re: [Bulk] Re: Real time programming in OpenBSD

2014-09-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Matti, Matti Karnaattu wrote on Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 12:25:54AM +0300: This also means that there is probably desire to dump GCC Yes, we strongly wish to replace GCC because we are stuck with the last available GPLv2 version, which is ancient by now. Newer GCC is GPLv3, and GPLv3 code won't

Re: OpenBSD/i386 Supported hardware - list of network adapter names?

2014-09-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marcus, Marcus MERIGHI wrote on Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 12:28:43PM +0200: d-eberhd...@freenet.de (D. Eberhardt), 2014.09.14 (Sun) 11:14 (CEST): with the question of network adapters naming I went stuck searching for a 'supported hardware' list. On the path from I could get quite a list from

Re: signal.h interfaces

2014-09-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Otto Moerbeek wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:58:32PM +0200: On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 01:52:37PM +0300, Matti Karnaattu wrote: man page says: When citing manuals, in particular when suspecting there may be problems with them, you should usually say which manual you are referring to. This

Re: Dansguardian not working after updating OBSD Current

2014-09-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Stefan Olsson wrote on Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:32:19AM -0400: From: kayasa...@gmail.com: Just a quick observation, not sure if by design or other but ulimit doesn't seem to have a man page? -It is a ksh builtin.  man ksh -It would be nice to have it show up when doing apropos

Re: rc.subr(8) typo?

2014-09-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Frantisek, frantisek holop wrote on Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 03:10:02PM +0200: i am not sure if this is intentional but daemon_timeout looks different in the man page than the other variables. Committed, thanks. Ingo Index: rc.subr.8

Re: Why are there no PKG_PATH defaults?

2014-09-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Harald Dunkel wrote on Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 07:14:21AM +0200: This is something that could be added to /etc/examples. See the attachment suggesting a first version. I hate that. Examples should not duplicate manual pages. That merely causes double maintenance effort for developers. Let's

Re: Why are there no PKG_PATH defaults?

2014-09-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Harald Dunkel wrote on Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:22:32PM +0200: I completely agree, but that seems 2b the case for _all_ files in /etc/examples (or for config files in general). Not really all. Take dhcpd.conf for example. Here the complexity comes from the fact that a wide variety of

Re: Why are there no PKG_PATH defaults?

2014-09-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mihai, Mihai Popescu wrote on Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 08:19:39PM +0200: I thought this kind of suggestion are not answered anymore on this list ... What i saw didn't look like a troll to me. Sorry for the noise in case i accidentally fed one. @Ingo Schwarze: why don't you remove the files

Re: openbsdstore: enable javascript and buy something or gtfo

2014-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, talking about setting the record straight... System Administrator wrote on Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 11:57:56PM -0400: 2. Open*BSD* as the name implies, had no decades old Unix code and by now has had much of the _original_ BSD code replaced as well. The ancestors of OpenBSD are, in direct

Re: head(1) returns 0 on failure

2014-10-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
ok schwarze@ Side note: That bug was introduced on July 23, 1999 by aaron@. Congratulations Craig, you found a bug that was more than 15 years old. If only bugs would eventually die from decrepitude... But it seems they are almost immortal. Ted Unangst wrote on Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 02:20:34PM

Re: Where is the 'tar' source code?

2014-10-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
/usr/src/bin/pax/

Re: cvs update: move away any file; it is in the way

2014-10-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stefan, Stefan Wollny wrote on Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 02:25:04PM +0200: I am puzzled with a strange behaviour of CVS. In my .profile I have PKG_PATH=http://ftp.hostserver.de/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/amd64/ CVSROOT=anon...@ftp.hostserver.de:/cvs export PKG_PATH CVSROOT When

Re: Why .cshrc and .profile in / ?

2014-10-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Craig, Craig R. Skinner wrote on Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:47:40AM +0100: On 2014-10-20 Mon 11:32 AM |, worik wrote: In a fresh(ish) OpenBSD installation I note .cshrc and .profile in /. Rename them to /.cshrc~ /.profile~ and see what breaks... I always delete them due to having

Re: pkg_add -u and unneeded updates

2014-10-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Alessandro, Alessandro DE LAURENZIS wrote on Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 08:25:59AM +0200: I noticed that, when I update my packages using pkg_add -u, some unneeded re-installation are performed; Almost certainly not unneeded; Marc Espie@ has spent a lot of effort on getting that right. At

Re: Question about FAQ section 10.3

2014-10-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marcus, Marcus MERIGHI wrote on Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 02:22:55PM +0200: But be warned (it's biting me a bit): using ``rcctl disable xx'' doesn't just remove xx from pkg_scripts, it removes the xx_flags as well. In case you had carefully crafted command line parameters there,

Re: Question about FAQ section 10.3

2014-10-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marcus, Marcus MERIGHI wrote on Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 04:22:02PM +0200: But I think I've carefully read everything publicly available wrt rcctl(8) lately. While i have contributed a few patches to rcctl(8), mostly of a technical nature, not adding to functionality, it's still Antoine's baby

Re: KITCHEN_SINK

2014-10-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 07:32:22PM +0100: Reading strftime.c I came across this: #ifdef KITCHEN_SINK case 'K': /* ** After all this time, still unclaimed!

Re: Updating ports from CVS question

2014-11-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Jungle Boogie wrote on Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 08:20:36AM -0800: Great idea! How do you update your ports, then? Just download a new ports.tar.gz file If you are running -stable, that doesn't help. The file ports.tar.gz doesn't get updated for -stable after release. or: # cd /usr/ports # cvs

Re: nsd_flags

2014-11-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, David Dahlberg wrote on Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 08:11:50AM +: Am Donnerstag, den 06.11.2014, 21:24 +0100 schrieb Maurice Janssen: I suppose the comment in rc.conf should be: for normal use: Just like most other services. Is that correct? It doesn't really matter, IMHO. Both are OK.

Re: Contributing

2014-11-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jeremy, Jeremy wrote on Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 06:33:57PM -0500: I very much believe the OpenBSD is important and needs support. I am not a programmer, and I do not have money to donate. What other ways are there to contribute? In addition to what Ted said, one other way is to help

Re: Contributing

2014-11-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andrew, andrew fabbro wrote on Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:34:35PM -0800: What about writing tutorials/articles? That is most definitely *not* a job for beginners. Writing good tutorials requires much more expertise and experience than writing reference documentation or hunting for bugs.

Re: Contributing

2014-11-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Eric, Eric Furman wrote on Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 09:18:06PM -0500: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014, at 12:50 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: andrew fabbro wrote on Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 04:34:35PM -0800: What about writing tutorials/articles? That is most definitely *not* a job for beginners. Writing good

Re: contributing

2014-11-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Eric, Eric Furman wrote on Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:40:49PM -0500: OpenBSD's man pages are fantastic, but one area I have noticed that could be improved is that some entries could benefit from having more and/or better examples of use. That is true. Not all manual pages are short of

Re: Contributing

2014-11-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jeremy, Jeremy wrote on Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:35:59PM -0500: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:52 AM, andrew fabbro and...@fabbro.org wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Ingo Schwarze schwa...@usta.de wrote: What about writing tutorials/articles? That is most definitely *not* a job

Re: contributing

2014-11-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Juan, Juan J. Fernandez wrote on Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 03:11:51PM -0400: It's worth to note the author of a manual page may have considered not to include examples since it could mislead You probably mean distract? (I certainly agree that misleading examples should be deleted.) from the

Re: Patch for smtpd.conf.5

2014-11-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Frank, Frank Groeneveld wrote on Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:05:12PM +0100: An improved version of the patch: mark path as optional for deliver to maildir path. Committed, thanks! Ingo On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 08:53:51PM +0100, Frank Groeneveld wrote: This little patch changes the tag

Re: Ancient source-changes archive

2014-11-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Kent, Kent R. Spillner wrote on Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:57:21AM -0600: Does anyone happen to have a personal archive of the source-changes mailing list going back at least as far as September 1997? Please contact me off-list. I have a code archaeology question that my Google-fu is too

Re: ffs and utf8

2014-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Paolo Aglialoro wrote on Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 01:56:23PM +0100: Shouldn't in 2014 the aim having all working in utf-8? Most definitely not, that would directly run contrary to some of OpenBSD's most important project goals: Correctness, simplicity, security. While the article is old, the

Re: man afterboot - discouraging usage of space characters in root password

2014-12-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Stefan Wollny wrote on Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 08:32:00PM +0100: Am 12/07/14 um 19:30 schrieb Adam Wolk: I would like to ask what is the reason for man afterboot discouraging the usage of the space character in root passwords. Root password Change the password for the root user.

changing password after install

2014-12-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Alexander, [ moved back to misc@, let's not discuss such a minor issue on source-changes@ ] Alexander Hall wrote on Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 12:31:43AM +0100: On December 8, 2014 12:05:30 AM CET, Ingo Schwarze wrote: CVSROOT: /cvs Module name: src Changes by: schwa

Re: AMD64 packages

2014-12-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ian, ian kremlin wrote on Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:04:26PM -0500: whenever i grab a snapshot and get library version mismatches after a `pkg_add -u`, i've found the easiest way to get those objects Definitely not the easiest way. Waiting for the next snapshot is definitely much easier and

Re: how to , apache's ' AuthType Basic '

2014-12-15 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, mar...@martinbrandenburg.com wrote on Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 08:07:01AM +: As for the immediate question, OpenBSD base had a fork of Apache 1.x prior to 5.6. This was removed in 5.6 and is no longer available. That is not true. It is still available from ports: apache-httpd-openbsd

Re: Problem getting or finding core dumps

2014-12-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Damo, Damo Gets wrote on Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:08:57PM -0800: I've got a problem with a piece of non-BSD software that I'm running on my OpenBSD 5.4 system. I'm not looking to you guys for help with it at all; I'm working closely with the developers on it. However, it turns out that

Re: man -m not working with latest snapshot (Dec 20)

2014-12-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Alessandro and Bryan, Bryan Steele wrote on Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:56:46AM -0500: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 04:10:05PM +0100, Alessandro DE LAURENZIS wrote: just22@poseidon:[~] uname -a OpenBSD poseidon.atlantide.net 5.6 GENERIC.MP#714 amd64 just22@poseidon:[~] type man man is hashed

Re: hotplugd attach into /etc/examples?

2014-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, frantisek holop wrote on Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:10:31AM +0100: now that there is a dedicated place for examples, You misunderstand. The point of creating /etc/examples was not to create a new place for documentation. The point was to be able to delete lots of junk from /etc/ without

Re: OpenBSD projects

2014-12-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, as this request met quite a bit of interest, i have drafted a list at this *temporary* URI: http://mdocml.bsd.lv/openbsd_projects.html If developers want it, moving it to the OpenBSD web site would be fine with me. One thing that became obvious while drafting the list is that it is quite

Re: YP Alternative

2015-01-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Brian, Brian Empson wrote on Fri, Jan 02, 2015 at 06:52:40AM -0500: I'm looking into a way to sync up group and user information across a network of OpenBSD machines. I like YP, except that I don't need the password hashes transferred across the network. I like that it's built right into

Re: What are the disadvantages of soft updates?

2015-01-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Predrag, Predrag Punosevac wrote on Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 03:24:00PM -0500: I was following this discussion with the great interest but without intend to participate in it until today. Namely one of my OpenBSD servers (5.6 sparc64) runs Mollify and last night I received an e-mail from an

Re: What are the disadvantages of soft updates?

2015-01-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Amit Kulkarni wrote on Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 03:05:03PM -0600: One more point to add to Ingo's detailed and very helpful reply. Reboot actually clears /tmp. The reason i didn't mention that is that it definitely doesn't have anything to do with Predrag's problem, which was that /tmp was

Re: man -m: Bad argument

2015-02-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Stary wrote on Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 02:52:33PM +0100: I have some man pages installed in $HOME/man so I augment my manpath like this in my ~/.shrc test -d $HOME/man alias man=man -m $HOME/man Now man(1) complains saying $ man ls man: -m/home/hans/man: Bad argument

Re: Wouldn't `daemon_enable=YES` make more sense than `daemon_flags=` in rc.conf.local?

2015-01-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, openda...@hushmail.com wrote on Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:25:50PM +: Wouldn't `daemon_enable=YES` (like FreeBSD's rc.conf) make more sense for enabling daemons than `daemon_flags=` in rc.conf.local? No, `daemon_flags=` is better. When you do need flags, it needs only one variable

Re: Preserving unbound cache across reboots

2015-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Maxim Khitrov wrote on Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 10:22:23AM -0500: I wrote two simple functions for rc.shutdown and rc.login that save/restore unbound cache when the system is restarted. Since each record has a relative TTL field, the cache can only be restored within a short time window to

Re: Is there a daemon rollcall tool?

2015-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Joel, Joel Rees wrote on Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 03:16:02PM +0900: What I'm thinking of is a tool that would allow one to query whether a daemon is installed, pkg_info(1) and ls /etc/rc.d/ and, for installed daemons, to query what the basic commands for status, start, and stop, are? The

Re: Wouldn't `daemon_enable=YES` make more sense than `daemon_flags=` in rc.conf.local?

2015-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Joel Rees wrote on Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 09:17:09AM +0900: On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:49 PM, Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org wrote: Unfortunately you run into an inconsistency here, which occurs exactly because of this double-duty: actually means use the default flags from the

Re: Wouldn't `daemon_enable=YES` make more sense than `daemon_flags=` in rc.conf.local?

2015-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Christopher, Christopher Barry wrote on Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 07:45:31PM -0500: On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:53:13 -0500 Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: rsyncd_flags= slowcgi_flags= unbound_flags= am I understanding correctly No. that in the snippet above, slowcgi

Re: Software for time management calendar

2015-03-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Lampshade wrote on Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 04:56:18PM +0100: What software you use for this purposes? when(1), see the productivity/when port. Yours, Ingo

Re: lynx is gone?

2015-03-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Thomas, Thomas Schmidt wrote on Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 03:30:56PM +0100: On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 08:03:36PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: somebody wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Never know. OpenBSD is not generally known as an exposed democracy. This made me

Re: Support - update our listing

2015-03-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Joseph Wolff wrote on Mon, Mar 09, 2015 at 05:36:28PM -0700: We've been an OpenBSD provider for many years, and I just noticed our listing is outdated - can I trouble someone there to please update it: [...] *eRacks Open Source Systems* 4035 Clipper Court Fremont, CA 94538 Phone:

Re: how to install a freeze point version of OpenBSD

2015-03-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote on Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:25:33AM +0100: And the chance of finding a snapshot that matches the release *exactly* is minimal to non-existent to start with. Even if you manage to find it in snapshots, trying to run -release before it is released has two

Re: Getting errors during security(8) maintenance

2015-03-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Denis, Denis Lapshin wrote on Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:33:16AM +0300: Some time ago start getting errors after nightly Secutiry running: Use of uninitialized value $home in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/libexec/security line 356. Fixed in -current, thanks for reporting. Regarding

Re: Getting errors during security(8) maintenance

2015-03-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Sven, sven falempin wrote on Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 09:02:09AM -0400: I am not sure about perl internal but aren 't you playing too much from @ to \@ lol Your patch doesn't apply, and from the code snippets you are throwing at me, i neither understand what you consider defective nor what you

Re: How to view man pages with restricted ksh?

2015-03-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Craig, Ted Unangst wrote on Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 10:09:08AM -0500: Craig Skinner wrote: $ man rksh sh: /tmp/man.v3NbpQf33a: restricted sh: /usr/bin/more: restricted That looks like the man you are executing is a shell script starting with #!/bin/sh. In particular, it does not look like

Re: How to view man pages with restricted ksh?

2015-03-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Craig, Craig Skinner wrote on Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:23:59PM +: On 2015-03-03 Tue 16:46 PM |, Ingo Schwarze wrote: That looks like the man you are executing is a shell script starting with #!/bin/sh. In particular, it does not look like the mandoc implementation of man(1) because

Re: man pages ending in .1x from ports

2015-02-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, patrick keshishian wrote on Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 06:39:58PM -0800: Just noticed this, I imagine this may be known already, No, this glitch wasn't known, thanks for reporting. but here it is just in case it isn't. Don't assume mandoc(1) problems are known unless listed on

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